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From Solasan temple , a figure bound in chains?We saw one in Fen Harel mosaic from Trespasser.
Yes.. This is interesting. I want to know more about that temple.
It has spirit, frost and fire magic at the start. The final chamber has lightning. The spirit's pride over his peoples' accomplishments corrupted his nature. This leader was then bound (the demon you fight).
Which mural has a figure bound in chains?
I just love the "argh" face.
Ah! Yes that one, sorry I got stuck on the word "mural" and thought I may have missed one. Again. 
Do we actually defeat them as in they dont exist anymore? I always thought we banish them back, but not kill them. So, if that was the case, couldnt they be summoned again?
It's a good question, if it's the same as spirits then as witnessed in Solas' quest and like Azarhal mentions below, their personalities are ultimately destroyed and they eventually reform through The Fade by funneling it's essence (effectively healing their being) from a wisp of what they were into something new an "untainted" by what they had become (as we know spirits are "blank slates" without mortal emotions). The question however becomes whether this applies to "spirits" who once took form. The Forbidden Ones were once Elvhen people. We don't know whether spirits that came into existence since the veil have the same circumstances as they never took form of their own volition (like Cole has, for example). So what I'm saying is Since the Forbidden Ones took form before, does that mean they have the capacity to retain more of their "personalities" compared to spirits an demons who never went through that process.
They get returned to the Fade after being defeated like every spirits and demons we meet. Although, they could just be wisp now and forget themselves to become something else, but going by Mythal's warning I get the feeling they don't that's why bounding them was the only solution.
As for the Forbidden Ones being bound, that was so they wouldn't be able to take form any longer, a punishment "fitting" for their crime (in which they willingly shed their physical bodies in order to escape and save themselves rather than fight a war for and with their people). The problem here is we have no context in terms of why the war was fought, who it was truly fought for, against and also whether the Forbidden Ones decided to flee out of fear, defiance or out of conviction. Given their personalities, you'd think it easy to cast off conviction but we don't know what these "demons" were like before they shed their physical forms and what countless eons have made them turn into. I hope they can be fleshed out and layered in the next installment where we can perhaps get context as to their predicament in order to learn more about their motives and actions as well as the war involved in their exile and The Evanuris' role in the thick of it.
Ok, i'm getting confused, maybe im missing info here. They were bound back then, yes, but their appearance is very recent (from DA:O till DA:I). So bounding them could mean they cannot emerge/materialise/possess s'one on their own will? Because it seems they can be summoned still as Imshael was in TME. And if they were once summoned, i gather it can happen again
I addressed this in my most recent post, but again, it seems they were bound in spirit form, meaning they could no longer take physical form, hence why they now need to possess mortals much like spirits and demons post-veil. The Evanuris still however, warn of their danger and of their familiarity with form, explaining they still possess the knowledge required to accomplish feats that few "pure" spirits and demons pre-veil could have, such as traveling "paths" (crossroads and eluvians) unaided.
Remember that they have never been defeated before our protagonists (in each respective encounter) "destroyed" them in the physical world, so we have no idea what will happen to them, given they aren't exactly like normal spirits or demons. It is however, likely that even if they manage to reform through The Fade it will be in a very diminished capacity and probably won't be done anytime soon.
Hive
feelingsmemories? better than a hivemind
Well not even hive memories. It's more like being able to relive a moment through the eyes and with the perspective of another person. You aren't always "subconsciously" connected to them like a hivemind but you always have access to a collective of experiences and memories if you so choose, otherwise I believe the connection would be overwhelming and the people would eventually lose themselves in an ocean of past and mass experiences, losing their identities in the same way that a hivemind would have you lose your individuality.
The Humans and Elves of the South, worshiped the Evanuris, and lived together, but something came and wiped ruined everything (spirit of arcane warrior in gem).1 These Elven Warlords were banished by the creation of the veil, which destroyed the elven empire since it was based on magic, which allowed the Neromanians who worshiped the Maker from up north, to conquer the elves who were weak, and panicking. In the South of Thedas the humans there, the Alamarri or other kind, also worshiped these Evanuris, and lived along with the elves, however they lived shorter lives, and liked sex, so they had lots of babies, and while the inteligent elves panicked.2 The spirits you see in the fade were the ancient elves/people who were split along with the world, and they are the ones who ended up on the "other side".3 Elves lived like super magical best beings, and humans also lived with them in some form. The Brecilian Forest, and the Ruins of The Dalish Origin are prime examples. The Humans and elves of the South, worshiped the Evanuris, but something came and wiped them out. An Arcane enchanter sealed his soul in a life gem, and showed vague memories of this.4 Solas thought that since he was a Mage, he did not need to increase his Cunning.If Sera is Andruil then she of all people was an Immortal Warlord?
Does the arcane warrior actually use the term evanuris?
I don't get number four and honestly I think the Sera is Andruil theory is a bit apophenic 
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I like your other three though! I'd forgotten about that crystal..
What do people think of green lyrium? Saw some in the Darvaarad along with other magical artifacts.
What do people think of green lyrium? Saw some in the Darvaarad along with other magical artifacts.
There are some around a few of the rifts in the main game (mostly in the Hissing Waste) and I'm pretty sure the "pulsing rocks" in the Temple of Sacred Ashes (and a few other places, again around rifts) is green lyrium too, it's just still covered with a thin layer of rock.
As for why it got like that, might be fade touched lyrium...
I found a thing that looks like Solas orb, and was used by the Qunari for brainwashing! It's called a Qamek:
Do you think the qunari could've taken them from the elves? They've taken magical artifacts before, like in trespasser.
"Qamek is a poison used by the Tamassrans on those who refuse to be converted into the ideology of the Qun, including all captured mages who are deemed hopeless by default. It effectively lobotomizes victims, wiping out their memories and rendering them into mindless slaves which Qunari call Viddath-bas."
It also glows and shares memory loss effects like lyrium. Lyrium which makes mages tranquil. The wiki says it's unknown whether it is lyrium.
The evanuris could've used it to take over the minds of those wearing vallaslin. And if it's related to lyrium, lyrium vallaslin would have the same effect. Sounds like something Elgar'nan would make use of.
WAIT.. is that why they were farming up lyrium? The dwarves before the titans woke were mindless (because of it?). Did the evanuris want the lyrium to keep their slaves under control? 
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Wait, Qamek is a sphere? I though it was something they feed people with, not some magical artifact. Saying that, what it does always reminded me of the result of the Rite of Tranquility too.
And further.. the wavy lines of Solas removing the vallaslin are the same as those above the heads of the elves in the library. Those wavy lines are surrounding the orb behind the vallaslin removal image.
There's also a striped line around the fade which is shared with Solas' orb, the spheres above the elves and the border of the vallaslin image.
That's what I'm confused about. It says one thing and looks like another. The wiki classifies it as a magical object though.
That's what I'm confused about. It says one thing and looks like another. The wiki classifies it as a magical object though.
I'm not sure but I always thought you could see a giant fingerprint on the orb?
Which is something I don't really want to think about , because well big fingers...But anyway If I remember correctly the art team wanted the orb to look organic and simple compared to Cory who's bits and pieces of melted flesh , metal , clothes.(from the DAI artbook note)So maybe there is no giant weird finger involved.
Talking about things I don't want to think about , Aka Green stones from the fade , It think Varric complains in his letter in Trespasser
http://dragonage.wik..._Last_Few_Years
There was some of those rocks in the Hissing Wastes, and I think a Ventori codex talked about it , I'll look for it.
But anyway my mind don't really wanna go there.Because we have now blue , red lyrium, green rocks , and this is the stuff of nightmare.
Edit: it seems my memory is playing trick on me , and there's a codex talking about the shard from the oasis not green stones , some guy is able to see them .And apparently spirits tells him there were always there.
http://dragonage.wik...y:_A_Worn_Diary
I found a thing that looks like Solas orb, and was used by the Qunari for brainwashing! It's called a Qamek:
Do you think the qunari could've taken them from the elves? They've taken magical artifacts before, like in trespasser.
"Qamek is a poison used by the Tamassrans on those who refuse to be converted into the ideology of the Qun, including all captured mages who are deemed hopeless by default. It effectively lobotomizes victims, wiping out their memories and rendering them into mindless slaves which Qunari call Viddath-bas."It also glows and shares memory loss effects like lyrium. Lyrium which makes mages tranquil. The wiki says it's unknown whether it is lyrium.
The evanuris could've used it to take over the minds of those wearing vallaslin. And if it's related to lyrium, lyrium vallaslin would have the same effect. Sounds like something Elgar'nan would make use of.
WAIT.. is that why they were farming up lyrium? The dwarves before the titans woke were mindless (because of it?). Did the evanuris want the lyrium to keep their slaves under control?
"WAIT.. is that why they were farming up lyrium? The dwarves before the titans woke were mindless (because of it?). Did the evanuris want the lyrium to keep their slaves under control?"
Doesn't that feed into my theory about Titan blood vallaslin? And you mean "The Dwarves before the Titans fell asleep" rather than woke, right? Witless an soulless was meant to outline the fact that they were thralls under the Titan's direction, having no individual thoughts or freedoms, only workers given purpose to "serve". The only way Evanuris could take advantage of that (as I speculate about Mythal) is once the Titan is killed or "put to sleep". The absence of direction leaves an emptiness that can be then filled and exploited (either leaving room for the development of individuality or another force to take control).
Also I have all the comics and like Azarhal I too thought Qamek was rather a concoction made of non-magical sources, much like their "brainwashing" techniques. The lore seems to indicate that Qunari never used lyrium because they thought it too dangerous to keep around the Saarebas...
The events that your talking about only happen a few years after origins if my memory serves me right, much before the events of Trespasser which strongly implied this was the first time the Qunari started mining lyrium.The implications I'm referring to are that they had to find ways of mining raw lyrium safely and discovered how to do so through Gaatlok, though it was a learning process that cost them many lives at first. If they had mined lyrium before then they would have already known how to mine it safely.
The only way it could be explained is the fact that Iron Bull mentions that the Qunari have Dwarven ruins similar to what we find in the Hissing Wastes. This could mean lyrium deposits are available to them. Though again, they'd have found ways of mining it safely long before trespasser if this was the case. Perhaps they found a way to subjugate Dwarves that would mine it for them, but that is never specified or implied.
But anyway my mind don't really wanna go there.Because we have now blue , red lyrium, green rocks , and this is the stuff of nightmare.
Oh, no, no, no! ..... not again, dammit!
Oops yeah I meant before they went to sleep.
And even if it's not lyrium related, the orb itself looks to be tied to the markings if the symbolism is anything to go by.
This is me theory crafting at 4:30a.m, things might get a bit wild .
Updated my post with what I was trying to point out, will re-post it here in case anyone missed it:
Perhaps a water theme , Mythal is supposed to come from the sea or something in Dalish tales , although I suspect it's a metaphor perhaps for the Fade?
Some DAI codex , chantry related :
Perhaps the yellow ball is the power of the Earth ,and the blue ball is the power of the Fade...yeah I know sounds dumb.
But perhaps the second painting is elves building part of the Crossroad.It seems the place was made of the Fade and the material world.And they are both in front of an Eluvian.
Perhaps a water theme , Mythal is supposed to come from the sea or something in Dalish tales , although I suspect it's a metaphor perhaps for the Fade?
Here lies the abyss, the well of all souls.
From these emerald waters doth life begin anew.
Come to me, child, and I shall embrace you.
In my arms lies Eternity.—Canticle of Andraste, 14:11
Mythal could have come from the fade, I agree with you. That would mean Elgar'nan wasn't a part of the fade at the point she met him. Supposedly he was created when the sun and land met; that could be metaphoric for him becoming flesh from spirit, or sentient. The question is what the sun, land and sea represents. I'm guessing: sea is the fade, land is the earth, sun is = something inside the fade (mosaic), of which the moon is supposed to reflect? The way they work together would answer some questions.
That canticle has me wondering whether it was really the Maker talking to Andraste. I don't know about him; Solas does say he's "open to new ideas" regarding the Maker, so apparently the idea didn't exist in Arlathan at least.
Hehe, I'm still happy that I called the war between the Titans and the Creators post-Descent (but pre-Trespasser's info being released) when there was little to go off of.
I say this a lot but when it comes to Dwarf lore I'm the expert 
Mythal could have come from the fade, I agree with you. That would mean Elgar'nan wasn't a part of the fade at the point she met him. Supposedly he was created when the sun and land met; that could be metaphoric for him becoming flesh from spirit, or sentient. The question is what the sun, land and sea represents. I'm guessing: sea is the fade, land is the earth, sun is = something inside the fade (mosaic), of which the moon is supposed to reflect? The way they work together would answer some questions.
That canticle has me wondering whether it was really the Maker talking to Andraste. I don't know about him; Solas does say he's "open to new ideas" regarding the Maker, so apparently the idea didn't exist in Arlathan at least.
I imagine the moon might be a metaphor for the Golden City.
Yeah I know I'm pulling this one from nowhere , but we had the Sun which seems to be a natural part of the world , something powerful.
In the Dalish tale (and let's face it , part of it is probably very wrong but that's all we have for the birth of the elven people/civilization), the only thing created is the moon by Mythal.
You can say the Golden City is a pale imitation of the Sun , yes it's shiny ... in the fade it's always there ,just like the Sun was supposed to be always there before Elgar'nan threw him into the abyss.
I said this earlier but there is a raw fade , all dark rock , lyrium veins (I imagine Titans/earth ) and it's always night and there is just a ribbon of light left , and the Golden CIty now Black also always there.
It could be something that did happen because in ..I can't remember in which DA book I read that , but anyway it is written in theory you could find in the Fade , the origins of the world .
And that dark vision in the raw Fade , or memory ..well it sounds like what happened with Elgar'nan and Mythal , in the tales all went dark."With the sun gone, the world was covered in shadow, and all that remained in the sky were the reminders of Elgar'nan's battle with his father—drops of the sun's lifeblood, which twinkled and shimmered in the darkness"
So did the Elves created the Golden City as a pale imitation , if the city was golden in the raw fade perhaps things would look better?
About the Maker = the elven sun deity , well reading the Chant of Light with what Trespasser hints at...elves being spirits..the brain starts to melt.
Whatever the sun was for the elves , they beat him into submission .
I think there's a Golden mosaic of Elgar'nan holding the sun down.So they would have a different history with whatever the Sun is...they also went after the Titans unafraid ...
But whoever or whatever was talking with Andraste , well the fade does offer reincarnation to spirits , although the abyss part is creepy as hell.And Elgar'nan did threw the sun in the abyss....
/Head desk.
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Is this to do with that theory I've heard about the moon being the golden city? I haven't read it yet. But the golden city being a reflection of the sun makes sense.
And Mythal's statue reminds me of the sun's rays:
I was reading Bestiary section of WoT2 and description of Gibbering Horror (p. 298) stood out.
Gibbering Horror
Mages claim that the strange monsters dubbed "gibbering horrors" are a recent phenomenon. The first recorded reference to these creatures is from a letter written by an anonymous enchanter in Kirkwall to a friend in the Montsimmard Circle in 9:23 Dragon.
"It was a joke, at first. Any time someone claimed to spot a new oddity in the Fade, we said they'd seen a 'gibbering horror'. Then, slowly, out of the corner of my eye - flashes of teeth, a small bared skull, a hiss. I do not believe we conjured them with our fears. I feel they have existed for some time, and that some unknow current of magic has revived them. Either way, beware. They bite."
I don't know how relevant this really is, but these monsters, who just recently gained a physical form, could be a prove that there is something strange going on behind the Veil.
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