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[FernRain]

Sorry to hear that Shari , I had wondered where you'd disappeared off to. Hope you feel better soon .

 

As for the picture, I think it's on a few of the "magical" quests.

[Shari'El]

Sorry to hear that Shari , I had wondered where you'd disappeared off to. Hope you feel better soon .

 

As for the picture, I think it's on a few of the "magical" quests.

 

Yeah, it seems to be related to the line of war table missions you get if you completed In Hushed Whispers.

The one for the Champions of the Just isn't as visually interesting:

 

Spoiler

 

And thank you

[jthibeault]

They said they had 5 games outlined when they started DAO and Solas creating the Veil was already planned along with Flemeth being Mythal, so it's possible. Also Sandal tells us of Solas' plans in DA2 before he wakes up. I learned that anything odd in a DA game is not just for decoration. 

5???!!

FIVE!!

I COULD KISS YOU RIGHT NOW

[jthibeault]

What do you guys think of this?



It's a scene description in the script files of the game http://corseque.tumb...st/130097404017

Do you think it's describing where we find the Titan mural or something else?


***Edit***

I see now that the person who found this has now matched it up with the Titan mural. They have some interesting things to say about Solas' feelings about the Blight which have also always stuck out to me as important. http://corseque.tumb...st/130122454682

The one that really strikes me though is this line. "In the conversation you have with Solas about the Gray Wardens, Solas can say, 'The fools who first unleashed the Blight upon the world thought they were unlocking ultimate power.' "

That of course matches up nicely with the codex found near the Titan mural "What the Evanuris in their greed could unleash would end us all."
 

[Shari'El]

What do you guys think of this?



It's a scene description in the script files of the game http://corseque.tumb...st/130097404017

Do you think it's describing where we find the Titan mural or something else?


***Edit***

I see now that the person who found this has now matched it up with the Titan mural. They have some interesting things to say about Solas' feelings about the Blight which have also always stuck out to me as important. http://corseque.tumb...st/130122454682

The one that really strikes me though is this line. "In the conversation you have with Solas about the Gray Wardens, Solas can say, 'The fools who first unleashed the Blight upon the world thought they were unlocking ultimate power.' "

That of course matches up nicely with the codex found near the Titan mural "What the Evanuris in their greed could unleash would end us all."
 

 

 

This is so unfair I can only like this post once.

 

Also

 

You will survive this day, Inquisitor, and though I owed you an explanation, I will not give you tools to use against me.

 

If this is regarding the "why does the world need to die" then it means the Veil's sundering is most definitely (like I suspected) not an insta-kill.

Modifié par Shari'El, 29 septembre 2015 - 02:58 .

[FernRain]

So the next question is why did the Evanuris think the blight was ultimate power? How would they wield it?

 

I'm going to sleep on it..

[jthibeault]

LOL that's what they said. Seems DAI was always the major plan and DA2 ended up being a small interlude before it.

 

 

 

Even though elves were immortal they could still be killed. Perhaps they sought complete immortality?

 

 

 

 

That was pretty much what I was arguing about with others a few weeks ago. I suspected the Blight was the main evil, the elves awoke something they shouldn't and now Solas is trying to purge everything in hopes the Blight will be removed too. I also suspect his refusing to tell us why we must die is because it can be avoided, but he refuses to take a chance and let anyone survive that isn't a powerful elf.

To me it also makes Solas' desperation to fix his mistake even more understandable. (Not that I want to see the world die but the motivation makes sense to me.) If he was trying to stop the Evanuris from unleashing the Blight then he destroyed the ancient elves for nothing since it happened anyway while he was asleep, just by different people. Though he does say in a conversation that the Grey Wardens have at least "bought us time". So maybe whatever it was the Evanuris were doing would have unleashed the Blight in a much more castastrophic way? As it currently stands it's sort of slowly seeping to the surface and then getting pushed back down repeatedly. Then there is that conversation with Blackwall where he seems unconvinced that killing all the archdemons will actually end the blights.

[myahele]

Not sure where I am going with this, but I do find it interesting that the Grey Warden's Joining ritual is truly a joining of all these sources of magical power ... maybe even immortality.

 

The Joining requires Archdemon Blood (Blight) + Titan Blood (lyrium) and requires mages to be in the Fade as part of the ritual.

 

Theoretically, if you master the Taint you'll have another source of magic along with the traditional Fade-sourced magic; along with it's own type of immortality

[Reznore57]

Well technically speaking the Blight is a form of ultimate power if you use it properly.

Like Coryphifish , he was immortal and unkillable , he did a small mistake though with his dragons ,but if he didn't ...

Then through the Blight you can mindcontrol everyone infected.

So  you can't be killed , you can mindcontrol all the blighted peons ,sure you look ugly and corrupted but so what?

 

I'm pretty sure their status as "Gods" wasn't going to last long , and the Evanuris knew it .

They had Fen Harel saying they weren't gods and freeing slaves.

The Forgotten Ones saying they weren't gods and busy getting more powerful.

There's the sinner showing everyone turning into a dragon was nothing divine or special.

They killed Mythal , sending the message well they could die.

 

And if the temple of Mythal wasn't propaganda , the other Evanuris were mistreating their own people.

Now my point of view is most of them probably deserved to be stoned to death , but I doubt they felt the same way.

[myahele]

Additionally, if they experiment enough (ghilan'nain), they can create broodmothers to then mass produce mindless fighters for them to control.

 

We don't really know the limits of the Taint, but just take a look at Broodmothers: they're producing creatures without limit

[myahele]

I wonder if the(non-eluvian) images below are just very stylized (think post-modern metal sculptures) dragon sculptures? That those things on their head are probably their horns.

 

 

 

Below is a ancient dwarven-made dragon:

Perhaps after defeating/killing a Titan, Mythal and dragons were worshipped by Dwarves

[Former_Fiend]

So, forgive me for not reading through every post in this thread to make sure this hasn't been covered yet, but I am curious about one thing.

 

https://youtu.be/SH2U7-aMG7g?t=59s

 

This is prior to the red lyrium dragon being confirmed as a fake archdemon; when asked if the orb is what allows Corypheus to control the dragon, Solas reasons "Indirectly, one assumes. Nothing in any lore connects my people to the old god dragons that became archdemons."

 

So, are you reasoning that this is a case of Solas lying/being specific in denial, (i.e., "It's not in any lore so you can't prove it!"), instead of his general use of "I saw it in the fade/read it in lore" as code for "I was there and know it first hand"?

[Reznore57]

So, forgive me for not reading through every post in this thread to make sure this hasn't been covered yet, but I am curious about one thing.

 

https://youtu.be/SH2U7-aMG7g?t=59s

 

This is prior to the red lyrium dragon being confirmed as a fake archdemon; when asked if the orb is what allows Corypheus to control the dragon, Solas reasons "Indirectly, one assumes. Nothing in any lore connects my people to the old god dragons that became archdemons."

 

So, are you reasoning that this is a case of Solas lying/being specific in denial, (i.e., "It's not in any lore so you can't prove it!"), instead of his general use of "I saw it in the fade/read it in lore" as code for "I was there and know it first hand"?

 

I think Solas realised quickly it's a fake archdemon , he tells you in that video (right after you get Skyhold)"Corypheus commands a false archdemon".

But I'm pretty sure he pees his pants the first time you see the dragon in Haven , I remember him saying in a very desperate voice "This is not possible!"

 

We know he's touchy about Old Gods and the wardens who wants to kill them.

For me it means he doesn't want the Old Gods dead , he implies the Blight will go on anyway ...and like I said he sounded really scared for a moment in Haven , and there's like what two Gods left?

Mythal also tried to save one.

Anyway I still don't know what the Old Gods are but it seems those old elven gods really don't want them dead.

 

Oh and the "in the lore" , Solas lies in game numerous time , when you meet him he lies at least twice...and not just by omitting the truth.

If he thinks the Blight will go on even without archemons and him and his people don't know and don't care about Old Gods , why does he loose his temper against the wardens.

[Former_Fiend]

Well, I'm not denying that he knows a considerable amount about the archdemons and the blight. I know a fair amount about Maori and Mongol culture, but that doesn't mean there's any connection between me and them.

 

But with the mindset of efficiency in writing and storytelling, yeah, I buy the "he's lying" route. That being said, in regards to Corypheus, the blight, the archdemons, and the wardens, a lot of his anger seems to come from being offended at the audacity of the younger races and organizations. 

 

His anger at the wardens is only warranted in two scenarios; either it would have backfired horribly, or it would have worked. And honestly I kind of got a feeling that it was the latter option, even if he wanted people to think it was the former. I might be reading too much into this, but the anger he displayed in that conversation was the anger of someone who designed the world's best safe only to see someone come dangerously close to unlocking that safe. It was lashing out from wounded pride. It wasn't "how could they harm these beautiful creatures", it was "how dare they think they're smart enough to solve this problem."

 

Of course, that's just my interpretation, and it does run contrary to a conversation he has with Cassandra, here;

 

 

The idea of the archdemons being pets doesn't seem to be what offends him so much as it is the idea that Corypheus is comparable to who or whatever held thier hypothetical leashes. He does hold the Old Gods in some level of esteem here, above Corypheus.

 

That really seems to be a sticking point for him. He doesn't like Corypheus and is quick to downplay his power - claiming that it's clearly being enhanced by the orb and that he could never have achieved anything like that on his own - and dismiss him in every regard. Solas sees him as nothing but a pretender with delusions of grandeur, which I see as particularly ironic given that Corypheus is essentially the human equivalent of Solas; a man vilified in myth, who woke up after a long slumber to find the world changed as a direct result of their actions, with their respective peoples shadows of their former glory.

 

I don't think it's Corypheus' similarities to the Elvanuris that makes Solas despise him; I think it's Corypheus' similarities to Solas himself. 

 

But I digress. My point being that I find it interesting that Solas very specifically denies any elven connection to the old gods while at the same time valuing them and being, in a twisted way, proud of the system that exists and offended that the wardens would try to subvert it. 

 

Of course, I am trying very, very hard to deny the possibility that killing the last of the old gods is going to make the blight worse, because I have seen that plotline done before and I hated it then and I am going to hate it now. If that ends up being the result of the whole thing, that will be the moment I walk away from the Dragon Age series in disgust. 

[kukumburr]

Solas is really weird with blight stuff. On one hand, I feel like he must know something he's not letting on because of the way he feels about Grey Wardens. He's so annoyed with them but he never gives you a good reason for how he feels. On the other hand, him not even suspecting Corypheus could survive that blast with his blight powers seems rather short-sighted of him. 

[azarhal]

I think Solas mostly underestimate Corypheus and everyone else that aren't from pre-Veil. The guy is just full of pride.

 

As for the Wardens, he knows something about the Old Gods, but that doesn't mean he knows anything about the Blight itself outside of what he have gathered in his sleep since the first one.

 

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On another subject, I just gathered the Scattered Glyphs in the Exalted Plains. The mission related to it says they pre-date the structures where they are found. Going by how the elves resettled the Dale after Andraste died, these are pretty old glyphs. They lead to a temple of Dirthamen, but what I find interesting is that only 2 of the glyphs are tied to him. The others are:

 

The revealed symbols depict a pair of hands cupped around the moon. The Dalish believe Mythal created the moon, but that doesn't really mean that glyph is about her or the moon creation. In other word, this glyph is a bit of an enigma unless there is more moon-elven stuff somewhere that I don't remember.

 

The second one is much more interesting:

 

The revealed symbols show a hawk and a hare chasing the sun. The hawk and hare are linked to Andruil. So Andruil, or some of her subordinates, were chasing the sun. According to the Dalish, the sun was hidden in the abyss (which seems to be another name for the Void) after Elgar'nan got angry at it. Could it be that Andruil was chasing after the sun in the Void to bring it back?

 

The most interesting part of the idea that the glyp represent a hawk and a hare chasing after the Sun in the abyss is how it reflect an Avvar tale: bird of preys (hawk, eagles and friends) and a ptarmigan (or lagopus which in Greek means hare-foot)  chased after a golden cask buried deep under the earth. I suspect the Avvar took an elven tale and twisted it. They might have done the same with others and might provide alternative version of some Dalish tales.

[myahele]

I do wonder if the Old Gods are related to Mythal in one way or another? If Mythal was a "protector" then perhaps the Old Gods worked under her to protect the world, more or less. Additionally, if we're to believe that Mythal prevented the rest of the Evanuris from (re)discovering the Blight/Taint then perhaps the Old Gods acted as a fail safe for when Taint spreads. Willingly or not, the Old Gods do keep the darkspawn preoccupied.

 

 

Additionally, according to Architect the Old Gods are the closest thing to "light" darkspawn can experience, which reminds me of Corypheus saying he wanted to "light" .... the only source of "light" I know of and is special is "The Sun" and the blood spilled from it after Elgar'nans fight.

 

I always believed that the Sun was symbolic of a really powerful dragon. So I wonder if for some reason, the Old Gods are actually pieces of the "the Sun?" Just like how Mythal has so many pieces of herself

[Former_Fiend]

Another point in regard to Solas' hatred of the Wardens; the Wardens represent the one exception to his thesis on large organizations; that they succumb to corruption and stagnation because after a while it becomes more and more about sustaining their organization and less about achieving the goals they were founded to accomplish.

 

The wardens have had hiccups, of course - the Dryden rebellion, for instance - but by and large they have remained almost entirely focused on the goal of combating darkspawn, and Solas condemns them as 'single-minded fanatics' for it.

[midnight tea]

Another point in regard to Solas' hatred of the Wardens; the Wardens represent the one exception to his thesis on large organizations; that they succumb to corruption and stagnation because after a while it becomes more and more about sustaining their organization and less about achieving the goals they were founded to accomplish.

 

The wardens have had hiccups, of course - the Dryden rebellion, for instance - but by and large they have remained almost entirely focused on the goal of combating darkspawn, and Solas condemns them as 'single-minded fanatics' for it.

 

Ummm.... they totally got played and corrupted as an organization by Corypheus. So... how come are they an exception?

Besides - 'staying true to one's goals' doesn't mean the ways they want to stay true to one's goals aren't either mad or idiotic. They've tried to dig in to uncorrupted Archdemon after all - and the ancient warded logbook found in Western Approach suggests that it wasn't the first time. What's more, Stroud tells us in Skyhold that if it wasn't for suspicion of Corypheus ' manipulation, he may have actually went with Clarel's plan if she suggested it on her own.