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[FrankWisdom]

The hands going numb made me think of a Sloth demon like DAO , stirred the brain from the skull , perhaps the mind being pulled to the fade.

 

You also have to wonder why there's "dried out" darkspawn , because unless something suck the blight out of them , darkspawn don't die from hunger , exhaustion etc , the taint sustain them.

I figured they died due to whatever power was keeping the Old God chained. As for the demon, I'm pretty sure it was something much more powerful and primordial than a spirit or demon... the question is what.

[figment_]

Sorry to

 

I ran across this the other day, and thought it might be relevant to the discussion of the blight/red lyrium, etc. I believe that it reinforces or illustrates that "cleansing by fire" can contain, cure or stop the spread of the blight.

 

DAII, The Tale of Iloren:

 

In the days after the rising of Zazikel, the dark ones covered every corner of the land. The archdemon drove all the nations of the world before him, shemlen and elvhen alike.

In the far north, where the hills wander the plains and the earth is eternally baked beneath the uncaring sun, the lands which the shemlen call Anderfels, a clan of our people lived, struggling to survive the Blight.

Iloren was their keeper. A hunter in his younger days, crafty as any wolf, he led his people always just ahead of the darkspawn who chased them. But the old hunter knew that even halla cannot run forever. They must turn and fight, or be run down.

At the foot of the Merdaine, the darkspawn cornered Illoren's clan. That night, the moon was strangled by clouds, the earth concealed by a dread mist that rose out of nowhere, so that the elvhen could not tell up from down. In the confusion, the darkspawn attacked.

But Iloren had prepared for them. All around the camp, the hunters had strewn dry grass, brush and brambles. When the sound of rustling footfalls began, Iloren and the other hahren called upon the old magic. They struck out with lightning, and though the bolts missed the darkspawn, they hit their target all the same. The sea of kindling lit, and not one of the dark creatures made it through the fire to reach Iloren's clan.

-- From "The Tale of Iloren," written by Zathrian, as it has been passed down from keeper to keeper from generations.

 

http://dragonage.wik..._Tale_of_Iloren

[jthibeault]

Yeah I posted it on here

 

It's this one

 

 

It also had me ask questions about what those "chains" really were. It definitely is not a Titan. The residual feeling seemed like it was extremely powerful and unnatural, even considering darkspawn... Makes you wonder who actually chained up the Old Gods and why exactly. Maybe it was the Forgotten Ones who imprisoned them, and they were The Evanuris' guardians, or perhaps they are the Forgotten Ones and the Evanuris' who chained them up were already infected by the blight? I don't know, there's still something we're missing.

Yeessssss that's the one. I have asked myself all the same questions! I remember grabbing my bf's arm when I first read it and being like "OMG listen to this this is important!" haha

 

[myahele]

The hands going numb made me think of a Sloth demon like DAO , stirred the brain from the skull , perhaps the mind being pulled to the fade.

 

You also have to wonder why there's "dried out" darkspawn , because unless something suck the blight out of them , darkspawn don't die from hunger , exhaustion etc , the taint sustain them.

I was gonna point that out, too. A darkspawn can't simply die, especially in a praying position. I think you pointed out something important in that "something sucked the blight out of them." Perhaps it was the Old God that did it? Afterall, it's been said that once Darkspawn discover an Old God they'll taint it asap, so perhaps that's kinda what happened? A weird ritual of sorts.That Old God prison located beneath Heidrun Thaig is interesting since that Thaig also has the same "claw of dumat" and dragon statue as many pre-first blight Thaig:

 

Due to a mural depicting Dwarves and Elves fighting alongside (amongst other things) each other where Sandal was discovered, I originally thought that Ancient Dwarves were tasked with watching over the defeated Old Gods for whatever purpose. But that was prior to Descent and Trespasser revelation. 

 

The Dwarves purposely erased all information of Titans, so they probably chose to do the same thing with all these Dragon statues.

[FrankWisdom]

Sorry to

 

I ran across this the other day, and thought it might be relevant to the discussion of the blight/red lyrium, etc. I believe that it reinforces or illustrates that "cleansing by fire" can contain, cure or stop the spread of the blight.

 

DAII, The Tale of Iloren:

 

In the days after the rising of Zazikel, the dark ones covered every corner of the land. The archdemon drove all the nations of the world before him, shemlen and elvhen alike.

In the far north, where the hills wander the plains and the earth is eternally baked beneath the uncaring sun, the lands which the shemlen call Anderfels, a clan of our people lived, struggling to survive the Blight.

Iloren was their keeper. A hunter in his younger days, crafty as any wolf, he led his people always just ahead of the darkspawn who chased them. But the old hunter knew that even halla cannot run forever. They must turn and fight, or be run down.

At the foot of the Merdaine, the darkspawn cornered Illoren's clan. That night, the moon was strangled by clouds, the earth concealed by a dread mist that rose out of nowhere, so that the elvhen could not tell up from down. In the confusion, the darkspawn attacked.

But Iloren had prepared for them. All around the camp, the hunters had strewn dry grass, brush and brambles. When the sound of rustling footfalls began, Iloren and the other hahren called upon the old magic. They struck out with lightning, and though the bolts missed the darkspawn, they hit their target all the same. The sea of kindling lit, and not one of the dark creatures made it through the fire to reach Iloren's clan.

-- From "The Tale of Iloren," written by Zathrian, as it has been passed down from keeper to keeper from generations.

 

http://dragonage.wik..._Tale_of_Iloren

 

 

Thanks for the input and the codex, but this doesn't really prove anything. It alludes to the fact that the elves were able to hold off the darkspawn but it doesn't give context as to how. It could just mean that the darkspawn were afraid of the fire and/or that it held them off long enough for the elven archers to strike them all down. It seemed to be more about dalish tactics and the struggle against darkspawn rather than the darkspawn's inherent weakness. Perhaps (at best) it highlights a primal fear in darkspawn concerning fire (and that fire can kill pretty much anything )...

[figment_]

Thanks for the input and the codex, but this doesn't really prove anything. It alludes to the fact that the elves were able to hold off the darkspawn but it doesn't give context as to how. It could just mean that the darkspawn were afraid of the fire and/or that it held them off long enough for the elven archers to strike them all down. It seemed to be more about dalish tactics and the struggle against darkspawn rather than the darkspawn's inherent weakness. Perhaps (at best) it highlights a primal fear in darkspawn concerning fire (and that fire can kill pretty much anything )...

To me, it implies that the blight can be conquered by fire. In my opinion, this indicates though the elves were surrounded, outnumbered, and probably "hopeless", fire decimated the darkspawn in question, reinforcing that "cleansing by fire" is one of the only known ways, aside from dragon's blood, to combat the blight.

 

Of course, there's quite a bit of other lore in the DA universe that seems to support this...

[FernRain]

I was gonna point that out, too. A darkspawn can't simply die, especially in a praying position. I think you pointed out something important in that "something sucked the blight out of them." Perhaps it was the Old God that did it? Afterall, it's been said that once Darkspawn discover an Old God they'll taint it asap, so perhaps that's kinda what happened? A weird ritual of sorts.That Old God prison located beneath Heidrun Thaig is interesting since that Thaig also has the same "claw of dumat" and dragon statue as many pre-first blight Thaig:

Spoiler

 

Due to a mural depicting Dwarves and Elves fighting alongside (amongst other things) each other where Sandal was discovered, I originally thought that Ancient Dwarves were tasked with watching over the defeated Old Gods for whatever purpose. But that was prior to Descent and Trespasser revelation. 

 

The Dwarves purposely erased all information of Titans, so they probably chose to do the same thing with all these Dragon statues.

 

That feel you get when someone posts your pictures .

 

The statue looks like a bird to me because it has a beak. And a claw would go with a bird. Also more about that claw, Corypheus had one and his slave wrote, "There are shackles across the top of the great altar, and pools lined with runes beneath the claws".

 

Here's the full image which I had originally cropped for the forums:

 

 

And another slab that looks to be made of the same texture found in the temple of Dirthamen:

 

 

Looks like the Black City.

 

I've been wanting to post that for weeks.. Hope it's somewhat relevant.

[FrankWisdom]

I was gonna point that out, too. A darkspawn can't simply die, especially in a praying position. I think you pointed out something important in that "something sucked the blight out of them." Perhaps it was the Old God that did it? Afterall, it's been said that once Darkspawn discover an Old God they'll taint it asap, so perhaps that's kinda what happened? A weird ritual of sorts.That Old God prison located beneath Heidrun Thaig is interesting since that Thaig also has the same "claw of dumat" and dragon statue as many pre-first blight Thaig:

Remember though the "dried out" darkspawn weren't described as looking any different (they were just dried out, meaning they were real old), also, they were outside (heads pressed against the stone suggests they didn't enter the prison, but were facing the Old God) of the prison. This is why I don't think the taint was "taken" from them. I'm guessing whatever power contained and "chained" the Old God might have killed them. Perhaps their praying was a ritual though, which required their "sacrifice" in order to taint the Old God...

 

and yeah the Heidrun Thaig raised some questions. Because it is also built over a Titan (or in very close proximity to one)... which raises more questions. The Titan isn't blighted, nor is it what was imprisoning the Old God... So why was it so close to the Old Gods prison? Coincidence... I don't believe in them. Practicality? Perhaps the Evanuris were mining that Titan and they are the ones who imprisoned the Old Gods... Questions, questions. So many questions.

[Reznore57]

I figured they died due to whatever power was keeping the Old God chained. As for the demon, I'm pretty sure it was something much more powerful and primordial than a spirit or demon... the question is what.

 

Don't know but everything about the Old Gods is just weird.

I mean the Old Gods sings when they are untainted and sleeping underground , it attracks darkspawn.

But the OGB was walking around , and Urthemiel soul was giving the kid dreams and knowledge ...but Kieran is no beacon for darkspawn , there's no singing anymore .Why?

 

There's someone baiting Corypheus with the carcass of Dumat ..using blood magic .From WOT2 page 179 , there's also talk of "an ancient weapon" that could have done the trick to bait Cory.

What ancient weapon!???!

 

The Architect was also drawn to his ancient God Urthemiel , he wanted to kill it , or so he told himself ...

 

Why the old tevinter priests are drawn to their old God , even through blood ...should I start ranting about the Golden City ?

 

And what ancient weapon!!!???

[FrankWisdom]

To me, it implies that the blight can be conquered by fire. In my opinion, this indicates though the elves were surrounded, outnumbered, and probably "hopeless", fire decimated the darkspawn in question, reinforcing that "cleansing by fire" is one of the only known ways, aside from dragon's blood, to combat the blight.

 

Of course, there's quite a bit of other lore in the DA universe that seems to support this...

 

Well a lot of things can be conquered by fire. I don't contest other sources that support this claim, just that this isn't really strong evidence in itself, especially given the context in which it's presented.

[figment_]

Well a lot of things can be conquered by fire. I don't contest other sources that support this claim, just that this isn't really strong evidence in itself, especially given the context in which it's presented.

Seriously, if you want me to delete it, I will. I meant no offense...I just thought it was appropriate considering the discussion of fire and blight.

[jthibeault]

snip

 

 

Looks like the Black City.

 

I've been wanting to post that for weeks.. Hope it's somewhat relevant.

Yea wow, I hadn't seen that before but it does look a lot like the little city on Solas' mural.

[FernRain]

And while I'm at it, what do you see in this?

 

 

A dragon? I found it in the Frostback Basin and have been meaning to draw over it. Was a quick job, excuse the mess.

 

Oops, edited to add the channel down the middle.

Modifié par FernRain, 01 octobre 2015 - 02:10 .

[FrankWisdom]

Don't know but everything about the Old Gods is just weird.

I mean the Old Gods sings when they are untainted and sleeping underground , it attracks darkspawn.

But the OGB was walking around , and Urthemiel soul was giving the kid dreams and knowledge ...but Kieran is no beacon for darkspawn , there's no singing anymore .Why?

 

There's someone baiting Corypheus with the carcass of Dumat ..using blood magic .From WOT2 page 179 , there's also talk of "an ancient weapon" that could have done the trick to bait Cory.

What ancient weapon!???!

 

The Architect was also drawn to his ancient God Urthemiel , he wanted to kill it , or so he told himself ...

 

Why the old tevinter priests are drawn to their old God , even through blood ...should I start ranting about the Golden City ?

 

And what ancient weapon!!!???

Well Andruil is described having an "ancient weapon". Her spear's power seems to be so powerful that once thrown it would decimate all in its path (hence her followers/Elvhen Peoples pleas) i.e. "Save us from the time this weapon is thrown. Spare us the moment we become your sacrifice."

 

Spoiler

 

As for The Architect, he wanted to turn Urthemiel with Grey Warden blood, not kill it.

 

"If the Warden-Commander sides with the Architect, the Mother will reveal that the Architect's botched attempt at making Urthemiel into a disciple was the cause of the Old God's corruption and thus the cause of the Fifth Blight."

 

He did manage to find Urthemiel, so there still must be a residual connection due to the taint (the calling) which I'm guessing is how the Architect found it. Having been it's High priest and being intelligent, the Architect would probably be able to identify which Old God was which and must have heard it loudest through the calling.

 

As for Kieran, who knows. Mythal was able to "call" him, so there is a link to the Evanuris. The soul itself was "reborn" which I'm guessing is why it doesn't attract darkspawn. We also know Morrigan was hiding him with very powerful magic, even from Mythal (until either she or the inquisitor drank from the well) which could explain it.

[FernRain]

I see the dragon and also, @jthibeault that mural did look familiar. Same darkness around a city with those eyes!

 

And did Solas paint this?

 

Either that or his followers, note the trees.. We still haven't figured that out about the vines overtaking the sphere of fire (sun). I think Mythal had something to do with great trees. Wasn't the table in Skyhold meant to be cut from a great tree in order to show peace or something? And there was some speculation about the big tree in the Frostback Basin a while ago, of which I can't remember anything.

[Reznore57]

Seriously, if you want me to delete it, I will. I meant no offense...I just thought it was appropriate considering the discussion of fire and blight.

 

Don't delete your post ...it's always interesting when people bring new material in , or opinions etc...

Except if this is a conspiracy about snake people and moon men trying to conquer Orlais.

I'll run away from this thread screaming.

[FrankWisdom]

Seriously, if you want me to delete it, I will. I meant no offense...I just thought it was appropriate considering the discussion of fire and blight.

Not at all. There's nothing personal in my replies, sorry if it seems like it. I'm not offended one bit. I'm just looking at it from a theorist's perspective, the facts and the evidence to back up claims. I just see nothing relevant. Again, that has nothing to do with you, just what you brought forth. Your opinion is as valid as mine, I'm just voicing mine I have no problem with you disagreeing or posting, nor do I have authority over you, I might have started this thread but I don't own it, I just made it so we could all discuss and brainstorm together! That's how we learn and improve.

[FernRain]

 

Doesn't it seem like the red tree is covering up the sun?

 

And I just realized it has the wreath of fire with a sword so it can't be that old. Unless it's visus, which was originally an Alamarri symbol for the lady of the skies. But the sword indicates it's at least post Andraste.

 

"The story goes that the Lady of the Skies opened one eye so that the light from her gaze could lead her people safely from the Frostbacks".

 

Maybe some Alamarri lived there once, since Skyhold is in the Frostback Basin.

[figment_]

Not at all. There's nothing personal in my replies, sorry if it seems like it. I'm not offended one bit. I'm just looking at it from a theorist's perspective, the facts and the evidence to back up claims. I just see nothing relevant. Again, that has nothing to do with you, just what you brought forth. Your opinion is as valid as mine, I'm just voicing mine I have no problem with you disagreeing or posting, nor do I have authority over you, I might have started this thread but I don't own it, I just made it so we could all discuss and brainstorm together! That's how we learn and improve.

 

...I feel some obligation to defer to the Thread-Dad's wishes... Also, I don't want to be "that poster" who posts things that may detract from the thread, or makes posts where I'm intruding or unwanted...sorry if I've done that. I've been lurking and enjoying following this thread for some time, because I really get into Dragon Age lore and theory-crafting, and love reading the opinions and theories of others.

[FernRain]

We know Solas mentioned it and how the people of Ferelden came to be when the spirit of the sad woman scared them away.

 

What's that one? I can't find it.

 

While I was looking I see Solas said to an Avvar:

 

"Interesting how widely Ferelden beliefs diverge".