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[FernRain]

...I feel some obligation to defer to the Thread-Dad's wishes... Also, I don't want to be "that poster" who posts things that may detract from the thread, or makes posts where I'm intruding or unwanted...sorry if I've done that. I've been lurking and enjoying following this thread for some time, because I really get into Dragon Age lore and theory-crafting, and love reading the opinions and theories of others.

 

Hey I've already got "that" title (sorry everyone for my tangents..). If you find something interesting just throw it in! People will either "Nah" or "Hmm.." it.

[FernRain]

You keep asking him to tell you about his journeys until he says he's run out of things. He mentions it, the spirit that was a matchmaker, the people covered in ashes after a volcano eruption and the dwarf hugging a stone with tears in his eyes as he leaves it on the surface.

 

Oh I see now, the "Shadow Goddess".

[FrankWisdom]

...I feel some obligation to defer to the Thread-Dad's wishes... Also, I don't want to be "that poster" who posts things that may detract from the thread, or makes posts where I'm intruding or unwanted...sorry if I've done that. I've been lurking and enjoying following this thread for some time, because I really get into Dragon Age lore and theory-crafting, and love reading the opinions and theories of others.

I'm glad to hear it, and you aren't detracting from anything when you post. This is open discussion. Everything is fair game. If someone wants to continue with their own conversations they'll just quote whoever they are talking to or whatever they are replying to... Simple (probably the only simple thing on this thread though ). So don't hold back on anyone else's account! Besides, it's not healthy to keep everything to yourself

[FernRain]

Last thing for now and I'll stop spamming, it's probably nothing.

 

The ice mine spell whispers. You'll have to go somewhere with not much ambient noise to hear it. I checked the fire mine and it doesn't, just the ice mine.

[myahele]

I always thought those "eyes" in the hidden mural looked familiar, now I know why: it's also seen in DAO opening scene talking about when the magisters 1st entered the golden city

 

 

Could the "sun" actually be surrounded (or imprisoned within) the Taint/blight as many have thought?

[azarhal]

About that Archdemon prison, the Solasan temple in the Oasis has a "repulsive" aura outside the door that isn't present inside (I always have Cassandra in my party so she's the one mentioning it), maybe the Dwarves felt something similar.

 

Right? About the mage thing. I also wonder who it was that spoke to her in her dreams because I feel like it is likely to be one of the characters already in play ie: an Old God, an Evanuris, a Forgotten One, Forbidden One? Solas? Mythal? I don't buy that it was actually the ultimate creator being of all the things.

 

It's quite possible she never claimed the Maker spoke to her face to face, that's another Chantry deformation of what happened. WoT vol.2 text make it sound like she had visions about her destiny and had fade-dream trip. She actually preached the Maker was all around them so she probably considered her visions and the ability to walk in the fade in her dream as the Maker talking to her even if nothing did so.

 

 

Doesn't it seem like the red tree is covering up the sun?

 

And I just realized it has the wreath of fire with a sword so it can't be that old. Unless it's visus, which was originally an Alamarri symbol for the lady of the skies. But the sword indicates it's at least post Andraste.

 

"The story goes that the Lady of the Skies opened one eye so that the light from her gaze could lead her people safely from the Frostbacks".

 

Maybe some Alamarri lived there once, since Skyhold is in the Frostback Basin.

 

 

That eye is freaking everywhere: the Seekers, some random rocks on all the maps in DAI, the elven fresco, etc. It even show up in DAO. I suspect it is a hint, it link various things together, although right now outside of the Seekers and the Lady of the Skies it's hard to say what exactly (the Seekers love owls too, they are a few made of stone around Therinfal, the same found in Skyhold...).

 

We don't know the Seekers origin and going by the way they are turned into Seekers, it's not that far away from some of the stuff the Avvar do.

 

 

 

[FrankWisdom]

I always thought those "eyes" in the hidden mural looked familiar, now I know why: it's also seen in DAO opening scene talking about when the magisters 1st entered the golden city

 

 

Could the "sun" actually be surrounded (or imprisoned within) the Taint/blight as many have thought?

That's what we've been discussing recently. It seems to point in that direction. That's also what I was referring to here

 

to quote myself

 

Shari"Why does these 7 orbs must be the Evanuris? Why can't they be titans, or the forgotten ones?"

 

Me: You are missing one possibility, (though they might be the same beings as you suggest). What if they are the "Old Gods" (who are perhaps the Forgotten Ones or the physical representations of the Evanuris).

 

Think about it. The mural depicts big "shining" orbs holding back or channeling the darkness i.e. the blight. Then we have the sun imprisoned in living darkness.

 

What if the "Old Gods" who are chained and dreaming are being used as seals to keep the "sun" imprisoned. Perhaps the darkness was at one point something made to hold back but got corrupted. If the Darkspawn are looking to infect the "Old Gods" and dragons are naturally resistant to the blight then wouldn't it make sense for them be "guardians" of a sort who have previous experience with the blight. If their blood (dragon blood) was used to create the blight in the first place it might be that the "calling" is what ties the darkspawn to them. The blood in its pure form, before the corruption. All of it calling from whatever is imprisoned i.e. "the sun".

 

That's just my personal thoughts on the matter so far.

[Reznore57]

I was gonna point that out, too. A darkspawn can't simply die, especially in a praying position. I think you pointed out something important in that "something sucked the blight out of them." Perhaps it was the Old God that did it? Afterall, it's been said that once Darkspawn discover an Old God they'll taint it asap, so perhaps that's kinda what happened? A weird ritual of sorts.That Old God prison located beneath Heidrun Thaig is interesting since that Thaig also has the same "claw of dumat" and dragon statue as many pre-first blight Thaig:

 

Due to a mural depicting Dwarves and Elves fighting alongside (amongst other things) each other where Sandal was discovered, I originally thought that Ancient Dwarves were tasked with watching over the defeated Old Gods for whatever purpose. But that was prior to Descent and Trespasser revelation. 

 

The Dwarves purposely erased all information of Titans, so they probably chose to do the same thing with all these Dragon statues.

 

There's also two small golden dragon statues in the thaig in Crestwood , I saw them like a month ago...

Statues of golden dragons , scary statues of dragons , mosaic of dwarves and elves killing dragons hands in hands ,

 

http://dragonage.wik...n_Dwarven_Ruins

Spoiler

 

  This verse was apparently passed down through Fairel's house, through his father to his father's father and so on for hundred of generations:

"From the Stone, have no fear of anything,
but the stone-less sky betrays with wings of flame.
If the surface must be breached, if there is no other
way,
bring weapons against the urtok, and heed their
screams."

"Urtok" means "dragon." Why was it part of an ancient crest? Why were these dwarves so worried about a monster they'd never see that they worked it into their weapons?

 

The dwarves also bound dragons with the Stone.

http://dragonage.wik..._Caged_in_Stone

 

I'm not sure what's the deal with dwarves and dragons , there is dragons in the Deep roads , perhaps it wasn't the case a long time ago ..who knows.

But you kill one in DA2 near the Primeval thaig.And there was one dragon in the deep Roads in The Calling book.

I assume dragons tends to nest in cave/underground most of the time , so dwarves shouldn't have been afraid of them just because oh no they're now in the sky.

[azarhal]

 

We do know the Seekers were once the Inquisition and they split up and became that and the Templar Order.

 

Ameridan, the Last Inquisitor, knew them as Seekers before the Inquisition joined the Chantry. Cassandra also mention that they had a different purpose prior to joining the Chantry but doesn't mention the first Inquisition. The codex that says the Seekers were the leaders of the first Inquisition is the accurate one (that also mean they created it...), but nothing is said of their origins (aka when and how they were formed).

[Carmen_Willow]

I just spent like 4 hours adding stuff to my thread. then I accidentally click on a link and ALL my edits are fuckinggggg erased. GRRRRRR! I hate this damnn system!!!!! keep a record like on Imdb in case internet crashes. God damn I am so mad.... Sorry but I had to post my frustrations 4 effing hours. I feel depressed now.

 

I should have saved then edited every hour... This is a F*cking edit.

Love your work, sorry you lost part of it. That's so frustrating, I know.

[FernRain]

I always thought those "eyes" in the hidden mural looked familiar, now I know why: it's also seen in DAO opening scene talking about when the magisters 1st entered the golden city

 

 

Could the "sun" actually be surrounded (or imprisoned within) the Taint/blight as many have thought?

 

It's a peacock. A peacock holds back the gates of darkness .

 

 I looked up feathers on the wiki and found these entries:

• Avvar tales from the Divine Age are filled with warnings about those who mistreat or showed the least disrespect to altars of the Lady of the Skies. Unfortunately, the superstitious Avvars counted a host of innocuous things as disrespectful, including speaking, coughing, holding objects in your right hand, and possessing anything containing feathers.
• Frederic's "How to Lure a Dragon" quest has you fetch Phoenix Tail Feathers.
• Phoenix are poisonous creatures (dragons are weak to wyvern poison) that Orlesians believe to be heralds of woe.
• Dorian's last name Pavus means peacock in Latin .

That's not a peacock though .

[Reznore57]

I  think the peacock feathers stands as a symbol of pride , because well somehow in the DA universe everything terrible happening is driven by pride .

Solas = Pride.

What Pride has Wrough = the magisters unleashing the Blight...

[Carmen_Willow]

Seriously, if you want me to delete it, I will. I meant no offense...I just thought it was appropriate considering the discussion of fire and blight.

I think brainstorming is part of what this thread is about. All hypothesis need to be brought to the table because at this point it's really hard to tell what is ultimately going to be relevant. I love the fact that people are compiling all the data and presenting it here.

[figment_]

Yeah I posted it on here

 

It's this one

 

 

It also had me ask questions about what those "chains" really were. It definitely is not a Titan. The residual feeling seemed like it was extremely powerful and unnatural, even considering darkspawn... Makes you wonder who actually chained up the Old Gods and why exactly. Maybe it was the Forgotten Ones who imprisoned them, and they were The Evanuris' guardians, or perhaps they are the Forgotten Ones and the Evanuris' who chained them up were already infected by the blight? I don't know, there's still something we're missing.

My first thought regarding the mural in question (having previously read this passage in WOT2), was that it depicted the Old Gods/Archdemons's (may be The Forgotten Ones) as being the "locks", gate-keepers, or guardians, for an even "bigger bad"...Perhaps the Blight, The Formless One, or whatever else may lurk in the Void itself...Potentially a very angry Maker/The Sun? I am joking to an extent, but can you imagine if the tales are true that Elgar'nan cast The Sun/Maker into the Void, but never let him out??? Methinks he'd be pretty angry--and also explain the Maker's absence!   

 

Another interpretation of the mural, which I noticed upon further viewing, was IMO rather disturbing; If the cells instead represent the imprisoned Evanuris and their orbs, maybe their power, lifeforce, orbs and/or prisons are actually holding the Veil in place...That may mean that in order to remove the Veil, the Evanuris have to be released first...Hopefully, they would be in a weakened state and--wishful thinking here-could be released one-by-one to be redeemed or defeated as necessary.

[Reznore57]

Another interesting thing , if you kill Gaxkang one of the Forbidden Ones (who were frolicking among elves back in the days ) you can get "Fade Wall" a shield http://dragonage.wik.../wiki/Fade_Wall

It looks like a wolf.

[figment_]

I always thought those "eyes" in the hidden mural looked familiar, now I know why: it's also seen in DAO opening scene talking about when the magisters 1st entered the golden city

 

 

Could the "sun" actually be surrounded (or imprisoned within) the Taint/blight as many have thought?

I thought these were eyes as well, but now it's pretty clear that they're peacock feathers...hmmm. I saw it as 14 eyes representing 7 entities, Evanuris/the Forgotten Ones/Titans? Seems to be a recurring theme...But peacock feathers, I'm not sure about. Maybe something superstitious related to "the evil eye"?

[figment_]

That feel you get when someone posts your pictures .

<snip>

 

And another slab that looks to be made of the same texture found in the temple of Dirthamen:

 

 

Looks like the Black City.

 

I've been wanting to post that for weeks.. Hope it's somewhat relevant.

Anyone think this resembles the "Tower of Bone"? Definitely could be the Black City, however...

[Reznore57]

Anyone think this resembles the "Tower of Bone"? Definitely could be the Black City, however...

 

The codex about the Tower of bones is quite interesting :

Spoiler

 

The Tower of Bone is so named for the hundreds of human bones discovered in a hidden chamber beneath the flagstones. The bones were cremated in accordance with Chantry law, and the chamber cleansed and sealed.

Local tales of the tower and its grisly contents abound. Some believe Tevinters built the structure, reinforcing its foundations with blood magic. In other tales, elves built the tower. My favorite is particularly imaginative. In this story, a blood mage summoned a greater pride demon, who then possessed the entire tower. When the mage died, his sons were unable to control the demon, so they commissioned eight monstrous iron chains intended to hold it. The touch of the cold iron chain is the only thing holding the stone abomination in place. Should they break, the tower will pull itself off its foundations and walk, destroying everything in its path.

 

Since we were talking about the Golden City , and the Peacock monsters , and the city being sealed by something.

 

A great Pride Demon posessing the entire tower ,8 monstrous and cold iron chain holding the stone abomination in place (I know it's 7 old gods etc but wtv) and if the chains fails , destruction for everyone!

 

It never occured to me a whole building could be posessed.And suddenly I don't want to think about it...It reminds me of the Golden City being "alive" (since Blight affect only living organism in theory) and it disturbs me.Ewww.