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[figment_]

The codex about the Tower of bones is quite interesting :

Spoiler

 
The Tower of Bone is so named for the hundreds of human bones discovered in a hidden chamber beneath the flagstones. The bones were cremated in accordance with Chantry law, and the chamber cleansed and sealed.
Local tales of the tower and its grisly contents abound. Some believe Tevinters built the structure, reinforcing its foundations with blood magic. In other tales, elves built the tower. My favorite is particularly imaginative. In this story, a blood mage summoned a greater pride demon, who then possessed the entire tower. When the mage died, his sons were unable to control the demon, so they commissioned eight monstrous iron chains intended to hold it. The touch of the cold iron chain is the only thing holding the stone abomination in place. Should they break, the tower will pull itself off its foundations and walk, destroying everything in its path.

 
Since we were talking about the Golden City , and the Peacock monsters , and the city being sealed by something.
 
A great Pride Demon posessing the entire tower ,8 monstrous and cold iron chain holding the stone abomination in place (I know it's 7 old gods etc but wtv) and if the chains fails , destruction for everyone!
 
It never occured to me a whole building could be posessed.And suddenly I don't want to think about it...It reminds me of the Golden City being "alive" (since Blight affect only living organism in theory) and it disturbs me.Ewww.

I wondered if Andruil stowed some of her victim's bodies there...then they sprouted red lyrium...!?!

[Sable Rhapsody]

I wondered if Andruil stowed some of her victim's bodies there...then they sprouted red lyrium...!?!

 

Did Andruil hunt humans?  I thought she went after her own people, as well as beasts, but I might be remembering wrong.

[figment_]

Did Andruil hunt humans? I thought she went after her own people, as well as beasts, but I might be remembering wrong.

May be the codex "author's" limited perspective... Is there that much of a difference between Elvhen and Human bones? I don't doubt that she hunted anyone/anything she could toward the end...

I could be totally wrong too...

[Shari'El]

And while I'm at it, what do you see in this?

 

A dragon? I found it in the Frostback Basin and have been meaning to draw over it. Was a quick job, excuse the mess.

 

Oops, edited to add the channel down the middle.

 

Lol, I'm going through all the pictures you posted and I'm like "oh ohohoh yes! I have a screenshot of that as well" on each one 

We're both screenshot-happy when it comes to DAI art assets.

[Elista]

I'm starting to think that blood magic can make the stone come to life. This codex in the Tower of Bones... and there is the story of Korth's heart put into earth to hide it, and the carved giant head of Elgar'nan in the valley with all the slaves disappeared... and of course Cole's comment : "They made bodies from the earth".

Maybe the Evanuris or somebody else created the Titan as "horcruxes" or slaves, and then "earth was afraid, it fought back" (says Cole in Trespasser) and that's how the war began.

I also wonder if the Golden City could be the heart of a Titan because of the golden heart (Korth's heart maybe, according to the Frostback Moutains codex entry in DAO) and golden eye (Elgar'nan's giant head had a golden gaze according to the codex in Trespasser ?) on the mural with the black broken Titan, and because of the story of the Lady of the skies putting Korth's city in the skies. It would make sense that the Golden City was special, full of lyrium. The amount of pure lyrium allowed it to float in the skies/exist both in the Fade and physical world. And it would be logical that a living heart can be infected (blighted).

[FernRain]

Lol, I'm going through all the pictures you posted and I'm like "oh ohohoh yes! I have a screenshot of that as well" on each one 

We're both screenshot-happy when it comes to DAI art assets.

 

Yeaaaah. I have a folder called "forums" in my Bioware folder that I keep screenshots for the forums in .

 

Annnnd this happened when I went to have a look in it. Comment for clarity :

 

[Shari'El]

Don't know but everything about the Old Gods is just weird.

I mean the Old Gods sings when they are untainted and sleeping underground , it attracks darkspawn.

But the OGB was walking around , and Urthemiel soul was giving the kid dreams and knowledge ...but Kieran is no beacon for darkspawn , there's no singing anymore .Why?

 

There's someone baiting Corypheus with the carcass of Dumat ..using blood magic .From WOT2 page 179 , there's also talk of "an ancient weapon" that could have done the trick to bait Cory.

What ancient weapon!???!

 

The Architect was also drawn to his ancient God Urthemiel , he wanted to kill it , or so he told himself ...

 

Why the old tevinter priests are drawn to their old God , even through blood ...should I start ranting about the Golden City ?

 

And what ancient weapon!!!???

 

He did manage to find Urthemiel, so there still must be a residual connection due to the taint (the calling) which I'm guessing is how the Architect found it. Having been it's High priest and being intelligent, the Architect would probably be able to identify which Old God was which and must have heard it loudest through the calling.

 

If we're going with the whole gate metaphor for the Old Gods I want to believe the truth isn't as simple, the fact that the darkspawn are drawn to a non-tainted dragon is bizarre for me. It could be that the Old Gods call in their sleep because they want to be awakened, but what is the purpose behind it? They become so savage it seems their purpose is lost (whatever they want to achieve by waking up tainted). Everything in the DA universe has some logic behind it, and maybe it's nearsightedness but I can't see any logic behind this. 

 

So I think there is another possibility, we know from DAI & DA2 : Legacy that intelligent aware darkspawn can master the taint in a manner that allows them to have some control over tainted creatures, another thing we learn is that Corypheus used Nightmare as an antenna to amplify the calling and drive the Grey Wardens to embark on their stupid suicide mission. What I'm trying to say that it's entirely possible that the Old Gods are not the ones who are calling.

If a strong demon can make a fake calling reach so far, it's plausible there is one really strong entity behind this, who, for example, placed some "beacon" of sorts on the Old Gods to attract tainted creatures to it.

 

Whoever's controlling the blight may be causing the darkspawn to believe the Old Gods are calling, leading them to their prisons in order to taint them, if said Old Gods are indeed gates/locks/guardians over the "sun" it might be using its' powers to release the locks on its' cell. I'm not entirely sure they even need to be killed, maybe their removal from the area is enough, or their even their awakening (if the Old Gods can dream, they are connected to the Fade, this piece of information could be important as well in understanding what's going on).

 

This part is interesting: "there was something in there, some feeling that stirred the brains in your skull, made the hands go numb", something that possibly kept the Old Gods asleep? Or perhaps it's something else, what would a Grey Warden would feel if they went down there? Would they be awe stricken? Would they feel fear? Would they hear the calling?

[Shari'El]

FernRain inspired me to rummage through my screenshot folder and I wanted to point out something I found:

 

Spoiler

 

These eyeconographies (ehhh? ehhhhh? No?... okay...) make me wonder.

The left image shows how even on nightmare mode I managed to keep my guard and HP up after a rough battle an Inquisition-like symbol (the Avvar have a symbol like that, right? -blackout-).

The top right image was taken in the same area, showing a hairy eyeball fiery eye/an eye with light radiating behind it.

Both were taken inside the old temple in Frostback Basin.

The bottom right image was taken at the Knight's Tomb, this crude graffiti appears in several places throughout the Knight's Tomb and outside of it (if I recall I also saw it the Frostback Basin and other places).

 

Edit: looking at it, the eye on the top right image isn't... human. It has a vertical pupil, like a cat's or a dragon's pupil.

[myahele]

What I'm trying to say that it's entirely possible that the Old Gods are not the ones who are calling.

If a strong demon can make a fake calling reach so far, it's plausible there is one really strong entity behind this, who, for example, placed some "beacon" of sorts on the Old Gods to attract tainted creatures to it.

 

Whoever's controlling the blight may be causing the darkspawn to believe the Old Gods are calling, leading them to their prisons in order to taint them, if said Old Gods are indeed gates/locks/guardians over the "sun" it might be using its' powers to release the locks on its' cell. 

 

 

I am also of the same opinion that something is behind the Old God's calling.

 

For one thing, since the dawn of Old God worship the Old Gods never mentioned they were trapped, nor were there mentioned of wanting to be free, For a long time things were "ok" with Tevinter and Old Gods ... until they suddenly fell silent. Then all of a sudden a "whisper" called to Corypheus then the rest is history.

 

As previously mentioned, it's possible to fake the Calling. Additionally, there was a Grey Warden that used information from old texts + Dumats remains + a weapon + blood magic to somehow mimicked Dumat's song and then lured Corypheus. Such knowledge was destroyed by that Warden, but it does show that it's possible.

[FernRain]

FernRain inspired me to rummage through my screenshot folder and I wanted to point out something I found:

 

Spoiler

 

These eyeconographies (ehhh? ehhhhh? No?... okay...) make me wonder.

The left image shows how even on nightmare mode I managed to keep my guard and HP up after a rough battle an Inquisition-like symbol (the Avvar have a symbol like that, right? -blackout-).

The top right image was taken in the same area, showing a hairy eyeball fiery eye/an eye with light radiating behind it.

Both were taken inside the old temple in Frostback Basin.

The bottom right image was taken at the Knight's Tomb, this crude graffiti appears in several places throughout the Knight's Tomb and outside of it (if I recall I also saw it the Frostback Basin and other places).

 

Edit: looking at it, the eye on the top right image isn't... human. It has a vertical pupil, like a cat's or a dragon's pupil.

 

Eye of Saron .

 

One of those rock eyes was also at adamant I think. I don't know if they were just reusing assets for that (though I don't like to say that). So what do you think about the lady of the skies? Anything to that? And I should look into that tree in the Frostback Basin..

[Shari'El]

Eye of Saron .

 

One of those rock eyes was also at adamant I think. I don't know if they were just reusing assets for that (though I don't like to say that). So what do you think about the lady of the skies? Anything to that? And I should look into that tree in the Frostback Basin..

 

THEY'RE TAKING THE HOBBITS TO ISENGARD

 

Yes, that is correct! I remember seeing it in Isengard Adamant as well, on a fallen rock, I believe?

What's the point in reusing that crude graffiti asset? It's not like it's pretty. Unless the level designer thought it was cool to put these randomly "I'll put one here, and here and here and here where nobody can see and in case someone does they'll go nuts trying to figure out the non-existent hidden meaning D:"

They can be trolls.

People thought the Mythal mosaic in Temple of Sacred Ashes was some developer reusing assets, but it's obviously not, I'm sure these have a meaning of sort, since they bothered creating these.

 

What tree in Frostback Basin?

 

Ad for the Lady of the Skies I'm on the same page as FrankW, I tend to believe it was Mythal.

[FernRain]

THEY'RE TAKING THE HOBBITS TO ISENGARD

 

You make me laugh !

 

they'll go nuts trying to figure out the non-existent hidden meaning D:

 

Sometimes, I wonder if any of the devs come upon our lore threads and are like wow. They really blew that one out of proportion looool.

 

What tree in Frostback Basin?

 

Well, I seemed to remember reading about it and I think it must've been Madrar's thread. She talked about the "tree of peace" war table at Skyhold and the tree that appears to be cut in the Frostback Basin. Also apparently Cole says about some exposed roots, "The trees are fighting. They are very angry, but very slow."

Spoiler

 

Ad for the Lady of the Skies I'm on the same page as FrankW, I tend to believe it was Mythal.

 

And oh yes please and thank you, I'm on-board with this! I was quietly believing it, too scared to say it aloud in case I looked even more crazy . If that's the case I need to brush up more on my Avvar lore.

 

And here's what I was about to post before I saw your reply:

 

I noticed Solas called the Crossroads the "labyrinth" and thought it was a bit unusual (and familiar..). The other times I've found it were in the Masked Empire and in relation to Razikale:

• In the days of Arlathan, Dreamers were also sometimes approached by earnest supplicants. These individuals would enter the Dreamers' burial/bed chamber and walk a labyrinth truly visible only to elves; if in earnest, they would find the answers they sought in their dreams.
• Grant us eyes to pierce the darkness and souls to bear the wounds of your labyrinth.

Would that be the Crossroads, truly visible only to elves? And what are the wounds of Razikale's labyrinth?

 

Every time I think of labyrinth I think of Labyrinthian in Skyrim .

[Shari'El]

Sometimes, I wonder if any of the devs come upon our lore threads and are like wow. They really blew that one out of proportion looool.

 

Lololol, a few pages ago I wondered if I should tweet this thread to Patrick Weekes or Mike Laidlaw so they could just go "no no no no, this is so wrong, and... so intricate. I can't, I just can't"

I do hope they would be proud to have such a stubborn, meticulous, knowledge-hungry fanbase.

 

Well, I seemed to remember reading about it and I think it must've been Madrar's thread. She talked about the "tree of peace" war table at Skyhold and the tree that appears to be cut in the Frostback Basin. Also apparently Cole says about some exposed roots, "The trees are fighting. They are very angry, but very slow."

Spoiler

 

 

Wait, I have the DAI art book

 

-Too many minutes later-

 

Okay, found this about the war table:

 

 

There are drawings next to the text to it, depicting the war table as a tree trunk, it seems the tree was there (at Skyhold) before it was cut down.

 

I took the opportunity to search the book for green vines, but found nothing (fffffffffuuu)

 

I only found this:

 

Spoiler

 

So the image of the vallaslin was taken from the page about the sentinels in the Temple of Mythal.

There were several cool designs there of the sentinels, one of them made them look more like Sylvari from GW2 

 

Sorry if that images are blurry/warped, bad phone camera, shaky hand, etc.

 

Edit: as for the labyrinth: I heard that just yesterday while watching Geek Remix playing Trespasser.

 

I am uncertain how well would non-elves navigate through the crossroads alone, in Trespasser you can see elves see the crossroads differently, but even as a human/dwarf/qunari you manage to navigate through the different eluvians.

TME shows all non-elves move slower and feel unwell while exploring the crossroads, they couldn't do that in the game since it would be a nuisance for all those who play non-elves, perhaps the anchor helped the Inquisitor & Co. to explore the crossroads without it affecting them.

Anyhow, the labyrinth you quoted from TME reminds me of the trials in the Temple of Mythal, only after you walk the paths you are granted audience/allowed to proceed into the inner sections of the temple.

 

Wounds of your labyrinth... Perhaps it's not wounds in the labyrinth itself? Perhaps it's a way to say "give us the courage/ferocity/whatever to push through your harsh trials"? I am uncertain, Razikale seems to be the goddess of wisdom, perhaps she gave wisdom only to those who managed to endure her trials (and survive)?

Modifié par Shari'El, 01 octobre 2015 - 12:21 .

[FrankWisdom]

Yeaaaah. I have a folder called "forums" in my Bioware folder that I keep screenshots for the forums in .

 

Annnnd this happened when I went to have a look in it. Comment for clarity :

 

Blood! and yeah you'd be surprised how organized my filing system is for screenshots...

[Elista]

 
Ad for the Lady of the Skies I'm on the same page as FrankW, I tend to believe it was Mythal.

Maybe it's not a coincidence if she saves and helps a hero named Hawke... the lady of the skies uses birds as allies/pawns. ^^

[FrankWisdom]

 

 

 

If we're going with the whole gate metaphor for the Old Gods I want to believe the truth isn't as simple, the fact that the darkspawn are drawn to a non-tainted dragon is bizarre for me. It could be that the Old Gods call in their sleep because they want to be awakened, but what is the purpose behind it? They become so savage it seems their purpose is lost (whatever they want to achieve by waking up tainted). Everything in the DA universe has some logic behind it, and maybe it's nearsightedness but I can't see any logic behind this. 

 

So I think there is another possibility, we know from DAI & DA2 : Legacy that intelligent aware darkspawn can master the taint in a manner that allows them to have some control over tainted creatures, another thing we learn is that Corypheus used Nightmare as an antenna to amplify the calling and drive the Grey Wardens to embark on their stupid suicide mission. What I'm trying to say that it's entirely possible that the Old Gods are not the ones who are calling.

If a strong demon can make a fake calling reach so far, it's plausible there is one really strong entity behind this, who, for example, placed some "beacon" of sorts on the Old Gods to attract tainted creatures to it.

 

Whoever's controlling the blight may be causing the darkspawn to believe the Old Gods are calling, leading them to their prisons in order to taint them, if said Old Gods are indeed gates/locks/guardians over the "sun" it might be using its' powers to release the locks on its' cell. I'm not entirely sure they even need to be killed, maybe their removal from the area is enough, or their even their awakening (if the Old Gods can dream, they are connected to the Fade, this piece of information could be important as well in understanding what's going on).

 

This part is interesting: "there was something in there, some feeling that stirred the brains in your skull, made the hands go numb", something that possibly kept the Old Gods asleep? Or perhaps it's something else, what would a Grey Warden would feel if they went down there? Would they be awe stricken? Would they feel fear? Would they hear the calling?

 

Well I speculated that whatever whispered to the magisters can manipulate and speak through the taint. I believe the corruption (which in my opinion corrupts the spirit/soul ) is what's giving the whisperers the ability. If it is "modified/corrupted" great dragon blood or the blood of another primordial beast it could explain the compulsion to seek out "pure" great dragon blood either in a bid to cleanse itself or to corrupt more of them to consolidate power or to free itself. You're right even Archdemons don't seem very ambitious once they're unleashed. The extent of their goals seem to be ultimate destruction/spreading the taint. I always wondered if that (the lack of intelligence/ambition) was the effect of the "taint" or the fact that great dragons (because of the veil) have become completely savage i.e. loss of consciousness or "spirit" and their "providence", therefore their instinct is hard to control (even by the taint). I'm also curious whether the taint is being manipulated remotely i.e. something is channeling its will through it or whether the corruption itself is "sentient" so to speak. I'd wager the former, especially if it is "blood" the same way lyrium is Titan "blood".

 

The other question is why the Magisters were able to keep their sentience i.e. their intelligence. Beyond the fact that they were the first to come in contact with the taint "physically" (and in my opinion used as hosts for the "spirit" taint from the Golden City to manifest physically and cross over from The Fade to the "Unchanging World) there has to be more to their specific circumstances. Was it because of their connection with the "Old Gods". Was it simply because the taint that changed them had never made contact with "physical" beings before (though if the Elvhen people and the Evanuri/Mythal/Fen'Harel were the ones who imprisoned it in the Golden City at the time and interacted with it before, like Andruil for example, then it did have contact with "physical" beings, though given this would've been pre-veil, I don't know how that would have affected the taint and its "inner" workings).

 

It could have been because the Magisters were in The Fade or perhaps simply because they were extremely powerful mages as well as dreamers which means they had exceptional willpower. The trauma did affect them for 1000 years though (Corypheus: "I have been confused for a thousand years, no more!" ) and they still are scarred (not just their physical deformities but also their memories).

 

Let me know what you guys think about all this.

[FrankWisdom]

FernRain inspired me to rummage through my screenshot folder and I wanted to point out something I found:

 

Spoiler

 

These eyeconographies (ehhh? ehhhhh? No?... okay...) make me wonder.

The left image shows how even on nightmare mode I managed to keep my guard and HP up after a rough battle an Inquisition-like symbol (the Avvar have a symbol like that, right? -blackout-).

The top right image was taken in the same area, showing a hairy eyeball fiery eye/an eye with light radiating behind it.

Both were taken inside the old temple in Frostback Basin.

The bottom right image was taken at the Knight's Tomb, this crude graffiti appears in several places throughout the Knight's Tomb and outside of it (if I recall I also saw it the Frostback Basin and other places).

 

Edit: looking at it, the eye on the top right image isn't... human. It has a vertical pupil, like a cat's or a dragon's pupil.

Actually I have screenshots of those as well. The one on the right though is a joke, If you go to Coracavus you find a codex that describes the meaning of that eye. Apparently its a "battle cry" and a slur, mocking the enemy.

 

When I have more time I'll look for the text that describes it. I have to get ready for work it's 8 here in Quebec so I got's to do my workouts and roll out (animated transformers reference).

[Shari'El]

Actually I have screenshots of those as well. The one on the right though is a joke, If you go to Coracavus you find a codex that describes the meaning of that eye. Apparently its a "battle cry" and a slur, mocking the enemy.

 

When I have more time I'll look for the text that describes it. I have to get ready for work it's 8 here in Quebec so I got's to do my workouts and roll out (animated transformers reference).

 

Whattttt

Well, I'll have to wait for you to come back then!

[DanAxe]

Another interesting thing , if you kill Gaxkang one of the Forbidden Ones (who were frolicking among elves back in the days ) you can get "Fade Wall" a shield http://dragonage.wik.../wiki/Fade_Wall

It looks like a wolf.

 

Wow. Thanks for showing this. Talk about foreshadowing.. This post should be refered to, anytime someone says the story of DA has been retconned since the beggining cause writers wrote themselves into a corner...

 

Good catch

[azarhal]

FernRain inspired me to rummage through my screenshot folder and I wanted to point out something I found:

 

Spoiler

 

These eyeconographies (ehhh? ehhhhh? No?... okay...) make me wonder.

The left image shows how even on nightmare mode I managed to keep my guard and HP up after a rough battle an Inquisition-like symbol (the Avvar have a symbol like that, right? -blackout-).

The top right image was taken in the same area, showing a hairy eyeball fiery eye/an eye with light radiating behind it.

Both were taken inside the old temple in Frostback Basin.

The bottom right image was taken at the Knight's Tomb, this crude graffiti appears in several places throughout the Knight's Tomb and outside of it (if I recall I also saw it the Frostback Basin and other places).

 

Edit: looking at it, the eye on the top right image isn't... human. It has a vertical pupil, like a cat's or a dragon's pupil.

 

The bottom graffiti is everywhere in DAI. There is a few of these rocks in each maps (I can confirm Hinterlands, Exalted Plains, Fallow Mire and Crestwood, at some point I stop caring where I spot it). As for the vertical pupil, it is on Cassandra's tabard as well. I always found it strange that her tabard looked that way might I add.

 

Like I said, the eye is freaking everywhere in the game. It is also in DAO in the Korcari Wilds carved in a stone with a hand grabbing it. I don't have DAO installed right now or I would take a picture of it (couldn't find one online). But if the eye represent the Lady of the Skies, it make sense it is all over Ferelden and where ever those tribes moved to (there is a Shrine to the Lady of the Skies in Mark of the Assassin which happens between Cumberland and Kirkwall). The eye is rarer in DA2 though.

 

 

 

The other question is why the Magisters were able to keep their sentience i.e. their intelligence.

 

I think the Architect showed us the way here, as does the Joining. Remove the darkspawn blood which transmit the taint to the drinker and you have lyrium + great dragon blood juice something these High Priest probably drank a ton off and if you make a real darkspawn drink Warden blood they gain sentience.

[DanAxe]

Actually I have screenshots of those as well. The one on the right though is a joke, If you go to Coracavus you find a codex that describes the meaning of that eye. Apparently its a "battle cry" and a slur, mocking the enemy.

 

When I have more time I'll look for the text that describes it. I have to get ready for work it's 8 here in Quebec so I got's to do my workouts and roll out (animated transformers reference).

 

 

When you start Adamant Fortress siege, just as you go in, there are some rocks with the eye painted on them. The rocks, by their disposition, seem to be projectiles fired by the Inquisition. Could it simply be the eye of the inquisition as a "tag" on the bullets, or could it be that same mockery described in Coracavus. The graffiti on the rocks is exactly the same as the bottom right image posted by Shari'El.

 

EDIT: As mentioned by Azarhal that graffiti can be seen in multiple places in the games so painting it on projectiles probably means nothing.

[azarhal]

When you start Adamant Fortress siege, just as you go in, there are some rocks with the eye painted on them. The rocks, by their disposition, seem to be projectiles fired by the Inquisition. Could it simply be the eye of the inquisition as a "tag" on the bullets, or could it be that same mockery described in Coracavus. The graffiti on the rocks is exactly the same as the bottom right image posted by Shari'El.

 

EDIT: As mentioned by Azarhal that graffiti can be seen in multiple places in the games so painting it on projectiles probably means nothing.

 

hmm, lots of those rocks are near trebuchet though. lol

[Elista]

Two things are everywhere in DAI : the wolf and the eye. As for the wolf, it was not meaningless.. so I guess the eye is to be taken seriously .

[FernRain]

Now you've done it Frank, printscreen this pristine filing system of yours to show us  !

 

As for the calling, I'm still secretly clinging to Mythal somehow being involved (well whispers, let me dreeeeam!). I'd like to know to what extent she is a dragon, because she could be like the ultimate dragon.

 

And why would the Avvar/JoH want to paint blood on poor Sigfrost the bear? Blood magic? Because they hate all the gods but Hakkon?

 

Shari I wonder if Razikale's labyrinth is the same labyrinth as the cross roads? Or whether it's synonymous for a trial like those who sought out dreamers.

[Shari'El]

The other question is why the Magisters were able to keep their sentience i.e. their intelligence. Beyond the fact that they were the first to come in contact with the blight "physically" (and in my opinion used as hosts for the "spirit" blight from the Golden City to manifest physically an cross over from The Fade to the "Unchanging World) there has to be more to their circumstances. Was it because of their connection with the "Old Gods". Was it simply because the blight that changed them had never made contact with "physical" beings before (though if the Elvhen people i.e. Evanuris had bodies at the time it is unlikely, like Andruil for example, though given this would've been pre-veil, I don't know how that would have affected the taint and its "inner" workings). It could have been because they were in The Fade or perhaps simply because the Magisters were extremely powerful mags and dreamers which means their wills were quite powerful. The trauma did affect them for 1000 years though (Corypheus: "I have been confused for a thousand years, no more!" ) and they still are scarred (not just their physical deformities but also their memories).

 

Let me know what you guys think about all this.

 

You remind me of some theory I wrote like.. A year ago. I saved it in the word document for future reference.

I can post it here, but don't judge me, I was young and innocent when I wrote that!

 

Spoiler

-snip-

 

What do you think Cory did with the red lyrium? 

Cory's appearance changed a bit between DA2 & DAI -> the lyrium shards that were sticking out of his body turned red. 

So... Did he ingest the red lyrium? 

Was he infected by touch? That'll be weird, Cory already had the blight after all.

 

I personally think that Cory's original appearance was heavily altered by high dosage of lyrium, the blight then added to his creepiness. 

You can see that by how red lyrium affected the templar vs how blight affects.. whoever contacted it. Blight doesn't cause mutation, it creates a ghoul, gives the contacted person a sickly looking skin and cataract-like eyes. Lyrium just grows out of people, and it was already been said that the ancient magisters underwent physical mutation because of large dosage of lyrium. 

 

The magister lords of the Tevinter Imperium were widely reputed to have been so affected by their years of lyrium use that they could not be recognized by their own kin, nor even as creatures that had once been human.

 

This makes you ask - what does the blight do to lyrium? Maybe it just reallyyyyyyyyyy enhances it's powers, lyrium is dangerous on it's own, if you increase its' power tenfold it would be deadly. Why does lyrium, if so, reacts to blight in that manner? 

 

And what is the taint? There is what you discover in the Warden's Keep DLC, [which I remember only vaguely so] I took an excerpt from the DA wiki:

 

The darkspawn taint also carries magical power equivalent to lyrium, and allows darkspawn emissaries to cast spells. In the Warden's Keep DLC, Avernus reveals that through his research, he has discovered a way to use the taint in Grey Warden blood to cast powerful magic without the use of lyrium or spirits. He tells that the taint holds greater power than known. Even non-mage Wardens can access this power, since all Wardens carry the darkspawn taint.

 

So... Taint has magical properties, this, in turn, enhances the lyrium, which is alive. Besides that, the taint seems to act like an accelerator of some sort - the darkspawn don't have healers, their wounds heal quickly. They can even sprout missing limbs given enough time. Crackpot theory: maybe what the taint does it accelerate time within a person? The sickly skin, the cataract, dementia, maybe they experience time faster, which causes them to grow mad? (Makes me think of Zero: Virtue's last reward)

 

This makes me think Cory ingested the red lyrium himself in order to enhance his powers and, also, that lyrium doesn't get infected that easily by the blight (Cory had the blight for thousands of years, his lyrium shards retained their blue-ness throughout the entire time). Perhaps he needed to consume red lyrium so he'll be able to unlock the orb Solas gave him.

The farther one is from the fade, the better he deals with raw lyrium. Mages that come in contact with raw lyrium will die, this is probably because the raw lyrium enhances one's abilities so much that he can no longer contain them... Cory's measured doses of non-raw lyrium for a long duration of time made him an powerful abomination, enhancing his.. magic.. circulation.. whatever, integrating lyrium to him bones, and making him ageless.

 

Do you think that the fact the the magisters are (sort of).. Immune.. to the taint is because they consumed massive amount of normal lyrium? 

 

-snipped nonsense-

 

Cory didn't control the 'singing' at first, he 'sang' in his slumber. That strengthens what Bianca said about lyrium being alive (in some manner), a non living organism can't become part of someone and function on its' own, so lyrium must be alive, but where does it come from? What gives it life? What gives it the ability to sing? Through what does it sing? Maybe it sings directly to the souls of people? 

 

Maybe all this means that since lyrium connects one to the fade more easily then those connected to the fade can deal/are immune to the taint? This, in turn, means that a person who is connected to the fade can connect with other's spirits more easily, read them, manipulate them, 'sing' to them.

 

-snipped nonsense-

 

So following this line of thought - we have the Elvhen pantheon, some sort of mages with extraordinary connection to the fade, this includes... the Forgotten Ones.

 

-snipped nonsense-

 

Super crackpot theory:

Since it seems like the Forgotten Ones are aspects of the Elvhen pantheon, then, perhaps, they are great dragons (ancient, powerful dragons) on which soul parts of the Elvhen gods were forced upon (or not forced, maybe they made a deal). They were also the source of the gods power, both allowing them to body hop, as well as giving them power.

 

The blood of Great dragons can confer enormous power. According to Aurelian Titus in Dragon Age: Until We Sleep, the Dreamers of ancient times commanded The Fade. The last Tevinter magisters were close to reclaiming this power, and "All they needed was the blood of the Great dragons."[2] He further states, "With it, I have tapped the power of gods."

 

Perhaps, even, the Forgotten Ones were entirely controlled by the Elvhen pantheon, and were there to keep the people in check, terror is a great way to scare someone to submission... And it could be untrue as well - the great dragons are not high dragons, perhaps they resisted the control of the Elvhen pantheon and wage war against them because they want to get entirely free from their geas.

As for Andruil, who wanted to hunt the Forgotten Ones, we already know she was nuts, but what if her reason for hunting the Forgotten Ones is to make the other gods fall? If she kills the Forgotten Ones the gods lose their powers.

The reason I think all my rambling are reasonable is because the voices of the well managed to recognize the fact Cory uses his dragon to allow him to body hop, it's plausible they were aware of that because they knew such thing exists. The voices are the will and knowledge of priests of Mythal, they aren't all knowing, there is a reason for them to say with such certainty that Cory's dragon needs to go down.

 

Oh god, so many wrong things, but it was before any DLC and we only had scraps from the game    .

I snipped utter nonsense, and left mild nonsense.

 

TL;DR

I wrote that perhaps the fact the magisters ingested lyrium for a long time gave them some sort of immunity to the taint, and that lyrium doesn't seem to contract the taint easily. I also asked the legit question how would the whispers of the well know that Corypheus' dragon needs to go down.

 

Corypheus, being the conductor, may have ingested the biggest amount of lyrium, so much that he started growing lyrium out of his body. The Architect was just left very badly disfigured. The reason I think these are lyrium shards that are sticking out of his body is because they changed color from blue to red between the games.

 

I also think that Corypheus and the Architect may have been the only two magisters that survived.

 

http://dragonage.wik...rent_Darkspawn?

 

Unless they got entirely separated, it means more roam around, if so we do know, however, that at least one died by the hands of another.

 

Also, the post reminded that taint carries magical powers, connects the minds of darkspawn and heals wounds and can even help a darkspawn regrow missing limbs.