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[azarhal]

Where does that bottom image come from? This is a great find! I can definitely see those as feathers now.

 

It's from DAO opening sequence when Duncan is talking. Looking at it again, there is a tree that become leafless there...hmm.

 

[jthibeault]

It's from DAO opening sequence when Duncan is talking. Looking at it again, there is a tree that become leafless there...hmm.

 

Ooops haha, I see that you wrote that on the top now, that's what I get for coming to the forums before my morning coffee >.<

Oh man, that video is full of things ... the golden city is also the exact same shape as what Solas paints in his murals.

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Note that in the second one (which is the first one we see in the game) there are lighted windows, but in the first one (which we see later) it has gone dark. No idea what that means which is something I should really get used to saying lol

[Lumix19]

Ooops haha, I see that you wrote that on the top now, that's what I get for coming to the forums before my morning coffee >.<

Oh man, that video is full of things ... the golden city is also the exact same shape as what Solas paints in his murals.

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Note that in the second one (which is the first one we see in the game) there are lighted windows, but in the first one (which we see later) it has gone dark. No idea what that means which is something I should really get used to saying lol

And those eye-like things, at 50 seconds, seems to crop up a lot too.

[Abelis]

So this vid could confirm that the Golden City -possibly Arlathan - is the same as the Black city but corrupted by vile feelings?

I have always the feeling that we are led astray with too many 'gods', cities, stories, while the truth is much simpler - as Solas says. Occam's razor? The true facts are specific, it gets only complicated through the subjective eyes that record history and explain it through their views and possible advantages.

[President of Boom]

I just arrived in Skyhold in my second playthrough, and I noticed something interesting. There is a note about the Undercroft. According to the note, Undercroft's original purpose is unknown but it appears that at some point in the past it was exposed to heat and pressure. When you speak to Harritt he states that it would take a lot to fill it since the place was built for something big.

The note, Harritt's observation, and the cavernous and open appearance of the Undercroft  make me think: what if this place was originally built to house a dragon ? Food for thought.

 

I always thought those "eyes" in the hidden mural looked familiar, now I know why: it's also seen in DAO opening scene talking about when the magisters 1st entered the golden city

 

 

Could the "sun" actually be surrounded (or imprisoned within) the Taint/blight as many have thought?

There are five corrupted figures (I know there were seven magisters, but there are five figures in this video) and five feathers. I'm thinking, maybe the number of feathers in the mural represents specific people. So, fourteen feathers in the mural... something, something, something. Maybe seven magisters and the Old Gods they represented? The seven Evanuris and something else?

 

[Abelis]

I will leave this here for anyone interested, its a nice easter egg?-a reference actually- (read it on tumblr):

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When you reach first skyhold, there are these banners around (before any renovations are done)

 

So this sign is presumably the Yellow Sign from a Robert W. Chambers' book, a writer admired by H. P. Lovecraft (cthulu etc stuff reference)

The King in Yellow never fully describes the shape and purpose of the Yellow Sign. Nonetheless, "The Repairer of Reputations", one of the stories in the collection, suggests that anyone who possesses, even by accident, a copy of the sign is susceptible to some form of insidious mind control, or possession, by the King in Yellow or one of his heirs. The stories also suggest that the original creator of the sign was not human and possibly came from a strange alternate dimension that contains an ominous and ancient city known as Carcosa.

[Elista]

Madrar has posted this picture too and noticed it was the same as the breach scar in the sky in Trespasser :

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I'm watching my boyfriend playing DAO and I noticed something about Zathrian. He says that few elves are now immortal and that all elves will soon be granted immortality again, but he can't talk about it. That, and his bond with the spirit of the forest, and the wolf... I wonder if he was one of Fen'harel's agents.

[Shari'El]

Madrar has posted this picture too and noticed it was the same as the breach scar in the sky in Trespasser :

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I'm watching my boyfriend playing DAO and I noticed something about Zathrian. He says that few elves are now immortal and that all elves will soon be granted immortality again, but he can't talk about it. That, and his bond with the spirit of the forest, and the wolf... I wonder if he was one of Fen'harel's agents.

 

This is awesome.

Way too awesome *-*

 

I kind of wanting to do a new DAO playthrough with circle mage so I could listen to Eleni Zinovia and search for other stuff.

[jthibeault]

Unrelated to what we've been discussing recently but I need some clairification on something and I trust you guys to know what you're talking about

It is my understanding that the Old Gods stopped whispering to the Tevinter people/fell silent after Cory and Co entered the Golden City. I have seen people suggest that their silence was the thing thing that caused Corypheus to go to the golden city in the first place though. They seem fairly convinced but I haven't come across any evidence of this? Is my original understanding correct or have I missed some important piece of lore somwhere?

[FrankWisdom]

Unrelated to what we've been discussing recently but I need some clairification on something and I trust you guys to know what you're talking about

It is my understanding that the Old Gods stopped whispering to the Tevinter people/fell silent after Cory and Co entered the Golden City. I have seen people suggest that their silence was the thing thing that caused Corypheus to go to the golden city in the first place though. They seem fairly convinced but I haven't come across any evidence of this? Is my original understanding correct or have I missed some important piece of lore somwhere?

 

The way I always saw it (and still see it) is that the Magisters were manipulated by whatever whispered (who was/were impersonating the "old gods") in order to unleash whatever was housed/imprisoned in the Golden City. They were specifically goaded into reaching the city physically for that purpose, which was two-fold.

 

The first was being able to breach the city (open the gates), which could only be accomplished physically (no spirit, demon or dreamer can reach the city). This is why I believe the city is the product of a physical conception (it is constant and unchanging).

 

The second reason the whisperers/whisperer would have for manipulating the Magisters in coming physically was so whatever was trapped in the Golden City would have physical bodies to escape with from the Fade. This would enable it to interact with the "unchanging world" through its hosts (the Magisters). I believe the "taint" was/is a spiritual "blight" which infected the soul.

 

I also believe the "taint" was able to contract itself physically through the Magisters the same way a parasite latches on to its host (hence the physical deformities and the extensive "psychological" trauma seen in both The Architect and Corypheus), which is how it "hitched a ride" into the "unchanging world" as the Magisters "fell" back to Thedas.

 

Once whatever whispered got what it/they wanted (the Golden City opened and whatever was inside unleashed) then the whispers ceased, as the manipulation was no longer necessary and the goal had been accomplished.

 

Edit: Here is Threnodies, Silence 3 - The Alarm is Raised in Minrathous - verses 9-11. This describes the events that take place right after the Magisters breach the Golden City. Read verse 10, which is referencing one of the acolytes of silence, who was present during the ritual to breach the Golden City but escaped to warn the Archon. Granted, the events described have been transcribed by the Chantry, so take them with a grain of salt. Verse 10 specifically references when the whispering stops, which happens exactly after the Magisters breach the city as mentioned above.

 

"No more did the Old Gods whisper in his ear."

 

 

Edit 2: Here is Threnodies, Silence 3 - The Magisters fall - verses 14-15 which also detail the "Old Gods" not answering i.e. no more whispers (verse 15).

 

"They cried out in rage to gods who did not answer."

 

[azarhal]

Unrelated to what we've been discussing recently but I need some clairification on something and I trust you guys to know what you're talking about

It is my understanding that the Old Gods stopped whispering to the Tevinter people/fell silent after Cory and Co entered the Golden City. I have seen people suggest that their silence was the thing thing that caused Corypheus to go to the golden city in the first place though. They seem fairly convinced but I haven't come across any evidence of this? Is my original understanding correct or have I missed some important piece of lore somwhere?

 

The Old Gods cults were losing members before the High Priests attempted to ritual to reach the Golden City, this is mentioned in the Claw of Dumat note. That might be what people think about.

 

The thing I know about not hearing the Old Gods anymore is in Jaws of Hakkon: the Mouth of Echoes codex and some stuff written around Razikal's Reach, but it's hard to say if it was before or after the second sin considering it is far back in the Frostback and any news would take a while to reach there.

[myahele]

Given the new information we got; I am pretty confident that the Red Lyrium Idol was probably an Elvhen creation.

 

For one thing, the circular thing + mythal's crown is something that Elves use in their artwork.

 

 

Those figures also have looks like it was made with the same (gold?)materials that ancient elves used for their metal artworks

 

Lastly, if you look at the idol, you can see the red lyrium veins growing out of it. Seeing it almost looks like it was ripped out from it's place of origin and (probably)sealed in that pedestal.

 

I am of the opinion that the Idol carried a small sample of the Taint and that the Thaig was located near Titan and the whole thing was probably a failed (or successful since both did successfully combine) experiment to introduce the Taint to a Titan. Things went awry and had to quickly seal up the place. 

 

It almost makes sense; the Evanuris/ Elves knew about Lyrium and how to use it. Assuming they were aware of the Taint's uncontrollable nature and wanted to make use of it, they decided to add mix it with the source of Lyrium. Afterall, Red Lyrium is alot more "controllable" than the Blight.

 

Anyways, I wonder who would sanction this? I doubt it was a combined effort among the Evanuris seeing that they hate each other. June? People speculated that he's close to the dwarves and is a know crafter

[jthibeault]

The way I always saw it (and still see it) is that the Magisters were manipulated by whatever whispered (who was/were impersonating the "old gods") in order to unleash whatever was housed/imprisoned in the Golden City. They were specifically goaded into reaching the city physically for that purpose, which was two-fold.

 

The first was being able to breach the city (open the gates), which could only be accomplished physically (no spirit, demon or dreamer can reach the city). This is why I believe the city is the product of a physical conception (it is constant and unchanging).

 

The second reason the whisperers/whisperer would have for manipulating the Magisters in coming physically was so whatever was trapped in the Golden City would have physical bodies to escape with from the Fade. This would enable it to interact with the "unchanging world" through its hosts (the Magisters). I believe the "taint" was/is a spiritual "blight" which infected the soul.

 

I also believe the "taint" was able to contract itself physically through the Magisters the same way a parasite latches on to its host (hence the physical deformities and the extensive "psychological" trauma seen in both The Architect and Corypheus), which is how it "hitched a ride" into the "unchanging world" as the Magisters "fell" back to Thedas.

 

Once whatever whispered got what it/they wanted (the Golden City opened and whatever was inside unleashed) then the whispers ceased, as the manipulation was no longer necessary and the goal had been accomplished.

 

Edit: Here is Threnodies, Silence 3 - The Alarm is Raised in Minrathous - verses 9-11. This describes the events that take place right after the Magisters breach the Golden City. Read verse 10, which is referencing one of the acolytes of silence, who was present during the ritual to breach the Golden City but escaped to warn the Archon. Granted, the events described have been transcribed by the Chantry, so take them with a grain of salt. Verse 10 specifically references when the whispering stops, which happens exactly after the Magisters breach the city as mentioned above.

 

"No more did the Old Gods whisper in his ear."

 

 

Edit 2: Here is Threnodies, Silence 3 - The Magisters fall - verses 14-15 which also detail the "Old Gods" not answering i.e. no more whispers (verse 15).

 

"They cried out in rage to gods who did not answer."

 

 

 

The Old Gods cults were losing members before the High Priests attempted to ritual to reach the Golden City, this is mentioned in the Claw of Dumat note. That might be what people think about.

 

The thing I know about not hearing the Old Gods anymore is in Jaws of Hakkon: the Mouth of Echoes codex and some stuff written around Razikal's Reach, but it's hard to say if it was before or after the second sin considering it is far back in the Frostback and any news would take a while to reach there.

Thank you! So I wasn't crazy haha

I mean I know that all of these events are possibly (or in some cases probably) incorrectly written or skewed one way or the other but I was fairly certain that all the stuff about the whispering stopping happened after the magisters had done their thing.

[vertigomez]

I always thought those "eyes" in the hidden mural looked familiar, now I know why: it's also seen in DAO opening scene talking about when the magisters 1st entered the golden city

 

Peacock like... Pavus? Whose family is descended from the dreamers of old? Hmmmm.

[azarhal]

I just did the Lost Temple of Dirthamen, that was interesting (first time I did it, I skipped a lots of stuff in my first playthrough of the game).

 

The first thing that greet you when you enter the temple is Fen'Harel's wolf, there are also howling wolves in the oracle chamber. For a guy who apparently wasn't one of the Enuvaris, they sure gave him a lots of space to show off himself in their temples. There is also no indication that the people there knew what Fen'Harel did or that the Veil went up, yet everything we read about happened after Dirthamen was locked up.

 

There are many mosaic of Falon'Din in green, there is another mosaic in red, I couldn't make out who it was. At some point I though it was Ghilan'nain, but it might be Fen'harel. The lightning isn't exactly great in there.

 

The sanctum area, where rituals are done, had four headless statue of Mythal overseeing it with owls in the corners of the staircase. There is also an owl at the entrance of the path of secrets. Elven Archers show you stuff a little everywhere in there too (what path to follow, veil fire torch, etc).

 

The Highest One turned into a despair demon and you use something similar to the "measure the veil" object to summon him. hmm.

 

I find some of the walls bricks are set to be quite similar to something else...probably a coincidence, although that part of the temple looks less primitive than the rest, that is rather strange.

 

The most interesting though was the veil fire runes that tell you what happened there. Especially this one:

 

The Highest One promises safety.

I shall protect our ancient secrets, he claims
All that Dirthamen once granted to us will be safe.
But it is our blood he seeks
A sacrifice dark and unholy
A prison of evil to keep us in and everyone else out.

 

Talking about blood magic aren't we and looks like they aren't a fan. Also, seems like Dirthamen was about not revealing secrets and he protected people who didn't want their secret or the truth known. He was the Keeper of Secrets. He definitively fit with silence.

[FernRain]

Those figures also have looks like it was made with the same (gold?)materials that ancient elves used for their metal artworks

 

In WoT:2 there's this about where Bodahn found Sandal:

 

When they reached their destination, what Bodahn saw nearly took his breath away: a glittering wall that depicted ancient tales of heroes and Paragons. Elves, dwarves, dragons and creatures Bodahn could not name, brought to life in a mosaic of gold and jewels.

 

 

There are many mosaic of Falon'Din in green, there is another mosaic in red, I couldn't make out who it was. At some point I though it was Ghilan'nain, but it might be Fen'harel. The lightning isn't exactly great in there.

 

It is Ghilan'nain. I was lighting up that place like mad with immolate to see things better .

 

And that artifact to bind the spirit is curious..

[jthibeault]

I just did the Lost Temple of Dirthamen, that was interesting (first time I did it, I skipped a lots of stuff in my first playthrough of the game).

 

The first thing that greet you when you enter the temple is Fen'Harel's wolf, there are also howling wolves in the oracle chamber. For a guy who apparently wasn't one of the Enuvaris, they sure gave him a lots of space to show off himself in their temples. There is also no indication that the people there knew what Fen'Harel did or that the Veil went up, yet everything we read about happened after Dirthamen was locked up.

 

There are many mosaic of Falon'Din in green, there is another mosaic in red, I couldn't make out who it was. At some point I though it was Ghilan'nain, but it might be Fen'harel. The lightning isn't exactly great in there.

 

The sanctum area, where rituals are done, had four headless statue of Mythal overseeing it with owls in the corners of the staircase. There is also an owl at the entrance of the path of secrets. Elven Archers show you stuff a little everywhere in there too (what path to follow, veil fire torch, etc).

 

The Highest One turned into a despair demon and you use something similar to the "measure the veil" object to summon him. hmm.

 

I find some of the walls bricks are set to be quite similar to something else...probably a coincidence, although that part of the temple looks less primitive than the rest, that is rather strange.

 

The most interesting though was the veil fire runes that tell you what happened there. Especially this one:

 

The Highest One promises safety.

I shall protect our ancient secrets, he claims
All that Dirthamen once granted to us will be safe.
But it is our blood he seeks
A sacrifice dark and unholy
A prison of evil to keep us in and everyone else out.

 

Talking about blood magic aren't we and looks like they aren't a fan. Also, seems like Dirthamen was about not revealing secrets and he protected people who didn't want their secret or the truth known. He was the Keeper of Secrets. He definitively fit with silence.

About the wolf statues, there is this codex from the Emerald Graves:

"Traveling through the Emerald Graves in the Dales, one will see dozens of carven stone wolves. The Dalish call these the Knights’ Guardians. In the days of elven Halamshiral, wolf companions walked alongside Emerald Knights, never leaving the side of their chosen knight. Wolf and elf would fight together, eat together, and when the knights slept, wolves would guard them. The statues were erected in memory of their unbreakable bond.

—An excerpt from In Pursuit of Knowledge: The Travels of a Chantry Scholar by Brother Genitivi" http://dragonage.wik...ight's_Guardian

 

So sometimes I wonder, since the wolf statues are everywhere if all of them were necessarily depicting Fen'Harel specifically or a more generic protector wolf? Letting my thoughts wander a little too far, might all of the Evanuris have had protector wolves at some point? Solas says he took the name as a badge of pride but was it "Dread Wolf" that was the insult or the "Dread" part? Could Solas have been Mythal's protector that learned on his own or was summoned by her will into being something greater than he started? Then my thoughts get brought back down to earth by things he said like "This is all I've ever been." So perhaps the simpler answer is that he was once respected by the Evanuris and that is why his statue is everywhere.

Basically it's something that is constantly churning away in the back of my mind because there are an awful lot of wolf statues.

[myahele]

To add more to that the -harel in modern Dalish is not the same as as when the ancient Elvhen used it:

 

The Dalish use "harellan" to mean "traitor to one's kin," but the word does not appear in any elven text before the Towers Age. The ancient root-word is related to "harillen," or opposition, and "hellathen," or noble struggle. The Dalish call Fen'Harel a god of deception, but I posit a far more accurate translation would be "god of rebellion."

What he rebelled against is a story lost to time. In Dalish legends, Fen'Harel seals away the other deities out of love of trickery. If we understood more ancient elven, we might find earlier versions of the Dread Wolf's story give him a more nuanced motivation beyond spite.

 

Meaning that Fen'Harel may have gotten his bad reputation after the fall of the Dales. Based on that info Fen'Harel might've meant Rebellious Wolf ... more or less. 

 

When you meet him in Trespasser he does say "What do the Dalish call me? Dread Wolf" Which makes Flemeth (Mythal) calling him Dread Wolf specifically in modern Thedosian and not mere Fen'Harel/Solas even more strange/thought-provoking given their history.

 

In either case, I believe that wolves were always symbolic guardians/protectors which is why they're everywhere even during the time of the Dales. It still exists in some form with the modern Dalish clan using Mabari (that looks like a wolf) in place a wolf.

[FrankWisdom]

About the wolf statues, there is this codex from the Emerald Graves:

"Traveling through the Emerald Graves in the Dales, one will see dozens of carven stone wolves. The Dalish call these the Knights’ Guardians. In the days of elven Halamshiral, wolf companions walked alongside Emerald Knights, never leaving the side of their chosen knight. Wolf and elf would fight together, eat together, and when the knights slept, wolves would guard them. The statues were erected in memory of their unbreakable bond.

—An excerpt from In Pursuit of Knowledge: The Travels of a Chantry Scholar by Brother Genitivi" http://dragonage.wik...ight's_Guardian

 

So sometimes I wonder, since the wolf statues are everywhere if all of them were necessarily depicting Fen'Harel specifically or a more generic protector wolf? Letting my thoughts wander a little too far, might all of the Evanuris have had protector wolves at some point? Solas says he took the name as a badge of pride but was it "Dread Wolf" that was the insult or the "Dread" part? Could Solas have been Mythal's protector that learned on his own or was summoned by her will into being something greater than he started? Then my thoughts get brought back down to earth by things he said like "This is all I've ever been." So perhaps the simpler answer is that he was once respected by the Evanuris and that is why his statue is everywhere.

Basically it's something that is constantly churning away in the back of my mind because there are an awful lot of wolf statues.

 

To quote my OP

 

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"These statues are old. Better shape than anything I've seen on the surface. Many of them are for Mythal, though. And Fen'Harel. Not in a spot of honor but guarding, attending.

 

-Snip-

 

Remember, Fen'Harel was an insult, a name given to him by the Evanuris. I believe this was in reference to his role as a guardian to Mythal, whom he protected loyally. I'm guessing the slur was in reference to him being on a "leash". A guard dog. But the wolf showed his bite was worse than his bark and his cunning preyed on their pride. This I think would explain how easily he could have caught them off guard. It also perhaps explains his "connection" to The Forgotten Ones, who saw his strength because of his "position". He did not show entitlement and did not rely on his nature but rather on his deeds to claim "power", even if it wasn't his goal but rather a twist of fate.

 

-Snip-

 

"Letting my thoughts wander a little too far, might all of the Evanuris have had protector wolves at some point? Solas says he took the name as a badge of pride but was it "Dread Wolf" that was the insult or the "Dread" part? Could Solas have been Mythal's protector that learned on his own or was summoned by her will into being something greater than he started?"

 

Both. The Dread Wolf as a whole. I think they were mocking his position (as Mythals guardian) i.e. wolf=guard dog while the dread part was either an all bark no bite slur or to emphasize his role, how he was leashed to Mythal and was her "dreaded" "weapon". 

 

 

"So sometimes I wonder, since the wolf statues are everywhere if all of them were necessarily depicting Fen'Harel specifically or a more generic protector wolf?"

 

I think there are both. This quote:

 

"These statues are old. Better shape than anything I've seen on the surface."

 

Says it all in my opinion. I think it depends on the era. His involvement in the rebellion probably had a major influence (for which context was ironically skewed thanks to Evanuris propaganda) on post-veil architecture and beliefs. That would explain the amount of statues, but we can't start trying to tie all of them down with deeper meanings pertaining to the Evanuris precisely because of this. The Dirthamen temple is a good example of this. I don't see the link being anything more than post-era generalization and misinformation. Much like the Chant of light and everything transcribed by the Chantry, we also have to be careful with the art and architecture depicted by post-veil elves. Nothing is clearly dated and a lot of things have been built-over, re-purposed or stolen by other cultures (Tevinter being the most prolific example).

[Shari'El]

Says it all in my opinion. I think it depends on the era. His involvement in the rebellion probably had a major influence (for which context was ironically skewed thanks to Evanuris propaganda) on post-veil architecture and beliefs. That would explain the amount of statues, but we can't start trying to tie all of them down with deeper meanings pertaining to the Evanuris precisely because of this. The Dirthamen temple is a good example of this. I don't see the link being anything more than post-era generalization and misinformation. Much like the Chant of light and everything transcribed by the Chantry, we also have to be careful with the art and architecture depicted by post-veil elves. Nothing is clearly dated and a lot of things have been built-over, re-purposed or stolen by other cultures (Tevinter being the most prolific example).

 

Yup, seems like Fen'Harel was rebelling until after the Evanuris started messing with the titans.

There was a theory at the time of Solas being betrayed by Dirthamen, that they were friends and that the his trust was shattered because of something he did (after the Temple of Mythal Solas asks the Inquisitor what they'll do with the power of the well, one dialogue branch leads to him speaking of trust as a mistake), this was also reinforced by the statue of Dirthamen in the statue with a knife sticking out of his back and blood cascading from the wound.

I do not know if it is true, but if it is, it would explain the wolf statues scattered around his temple (if it was built pre-Veil).

 

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This rune makes me believe this temple was built pre-Veil.

[Shari'El]

I find some of the walls bricks are set to be quite similar to something else...probably a coincidence, although that part of the temple looks less primitive than the rest, that is rather strange.

 

Slightly unrelated but you reminded me of this:

 

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It's kind of hard to see but the two assets there adorn similar looking tree-like figures, possibly pointless, but they reminds me of Falon'Din's vallaslin.

 

Also this:

 

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These type of.. totem.. people.. are scattered everywhere throughout Thedas, I saw some with a smiley faces, but this one... It has an eye, and twisting branches...

Makes me think of Falon'Din as well.

 

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This temple also has mosaics of Falon'Din, haven't seen even one mosaic of Dirthamen, so weird, also all these skulls and what happened to the high priests rings "Falon'Din" to me.

 

The statues of Falon'Din and Dirthamen share a lot as well, they are both hooded and cloaked, both reaching (Falon'Din pointing to the distance and Dirthamen reaching down).

[azarhal]

Interesting stuff about the wolves being guardians and not representation of Fen'Harel. That would mean Solas was Mythal's puppy and would explain his "she was the best ever!" speech and why he went kinda crazy after her death. I also think, he was a spirit that was bound, just like the Lady of the Forest...

 

But that would mean the others also had their guardian pets...where are they?

 

Slightly unrelated but you reminded me of this:

 

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It's kind of hard to see but the two assets there adorn similar looking tree-like figures, possibly pointless, but they reminds me of Falon'Din's vallaslin.

 

Also this:

 

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These type of.. totem.. people.. are scattered everywhere throughout Thedas, I saw some with a smiley faces, but this one... It has an eye, and twisting branches...

Makes me think of Falon'Din as well.

 

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This temple also has mosaics of Falon'Din, haven't seen even one mosaic of Dirthamen, so weird, also all these skulls and what happened to the high priests rings "Falon'Din" to me.

 

The statues of Falon'Din and Dirthamen share a lot as well, they are both hooded and cloaked, both reaching (Falon'Din pointing to the distance and Dirthamen reaching down).

 

I have the crazy theory (I'm not the only one) that Dirthamen and Falon'Din are the same entity that just changed its name after Mythal and the others attacked him because he wasn't a nice guy. We know Abelas changed his name after Mythal death so we do have a precedent.

 

Seems like it went Falon'Din  => Dirthamen going by the Lost Temple and the belief that Falon'Din was Dirthamen shadow.

 

Also, the Inuksuk are so totally funky. In our world, they are used to indicate directions.

[sniper_arrow]

Interesting stuff about the wolves being guardians and not representation of Fen'Harel. That would mean Solas was Mythal's puppy and would explain his "she was the best ever!" speech and why he went kinda crazy after her death. I also think, he was a spirit that was bound, just like the Lady of the Forest...

 

But that would mean the others also had their guardian pets...where are they?

 

 

I have the crazy theory (I'm not the only one) that Dirthamen and Falon'Din are the same entity that just changed its name after Mythal and the others attacked him because he wasn't a nice guy. We know Abelas changed his name after Mythal death so we do have a precedent.

 

Seems like it went Falon'Din  => Dirthamen going by the Lost Temple and the belief that Falon'Din was Dirthamen shadow.

 

Also, the Inuksuk are so totally funky. In our world, they are used to indicate directions.

 

Just to verify, one of the theories is that Dirthamen and Falon'Din are the same person. If so, did he simply changed his name or something else?

[jthibeault]

To add more to that the -harel in modern Dalish is not the same as as when the ancient Elvhen used it:

 

 

Meaning that Fen'Harel may have gotten his bad reputation after the fall of the Dales. Based on that info Fen'Harel might've meant Rebellious Wolf ... more or less. 

 

When you meet him in Trespasser he does say "What do the Dalish call me? Dread Wolf" Which makes Flemeth (Mythal) calling him Dread Wolf specifically in modern Thedosian and not mere Fen'Harel/Solas even more strange/thought-provoking given their history.

 

In either case, I believe that wolves were always symbolic guardians/protectors which is why they're everywhere even during the time of the Dales. It still exists in some form with the modern Dalish clan using Mabari (that looks like a wolf) in place a wolf.

Actually, in Trespasser he specifically says that the Evanuris gave him the Dread Wolf name as an insult, so we know he had his bad reputation at least as far back as his rebellion that ended with him forming the Veil. I do think that at some point before that he was probably more well tolerated if not respected however. The quote that he says about the Dalish is "What is that old Dalish curse? "May the Dread Wolf take you"?" which of course gives a romanced Lavellan a cheeky opening for "And so he did"

I think Mythal calling him that was probably was probably a kind of loving jab, like they had long since turned it into a term of endearment between the two of them. He did say that he took the name as a badge of pride because it inspired hope in his friends and fear in his enemies.

[azarhal]

I think Mythal calling him that was probably was probably a kind of loving jab, like they had long since turned it into a term of endearment between the two of them. He did say that he took the name as a badge of pride because it inspired hope in his friends and fear in his enemies.

 

Solas had no idea Mythal was still around in some form until the quest in the temple in the Arbor Wilds and he gained the title after he started his rebellion which he started after her death or so he said, he might be lying about that. If he was saying the truth, Mythal never called him that until that scene in DAI...

 

I'll go with he was lying, but then I also suspect he started his rebellion (well freeing the slaves) before Mythal was killed.