Solas said the creation of the Veil took away people's connection to the Fade, and returning to this world "felt like walking among tranquil" to him.
Does it mean all people were mages back then?
Pretty much. At least the elves were. We don't have enough info on ancient humans to assume it applied to all of the races.
Also what is up with the "auras" for lack of a better word surrounding the elves in the mural where Solas is removing the vallaslin? They have weird shapes/symbols inside them and the ones on the left appear to be connected to the orb shape on the left.
Looks like they are brainwashed (drone like), the vallaslin was probably used to mind controlling the slaves.
Although, I'm personally wondering why Solas wolf shape has 3 eyes.
Ever watched "Game of Thrones?" There's a 3 eyed crow in it. Probably the same sort of meaning. A sort of "second sight" if you will. There are several cases of 3 eyed references in our own worlds mythology. Google "third eye". It's a reference to him being mystical to put it simply. Remember the mosaics of each of the elven gods? Remember the swirls in the middle of each of their foreheads that some people think look like tranquil brands? Ever wonder why mages are always branded where their "third eye" would be? By branding their "third eye" they are cut off from the MAGIC.
There are many references to "the third eye" in Hinduism and being able to access ancient knowledge through it. Ever notice that weird eye thing on top of the pyramid printed on a dollar bill? Freaky stuff, huh? This is obviously where Bioware got the idea.
(No, I'm not Hindu. I would never try to open the "third eye")
That other thread has better pics of the mosaics (no offense intended Frank!):
That other thread has better pics of the mosaics (no offense intended Frank!):
Yeah I had already checked them out and of course I totally agree, no offense taken 
And while I'm here, have this to think about:
Some are of Mythal. Some have sun rays(?) like the mosaic painting in the library.
Yeah I noticed them and took screenshots but there isn't much to go on. It could be depictions of Elgar'nan and Mythal, or different aspects of Mythal, but there isn't much context surrounding them. I'll eventually reach Trespasser with my second playthrough and explore the relevance of their positioning (such as where each eluvian leads and what details each realm offers relative to each depiction) though I don't remember finding anything of value from my first run.
To be fair, there were 7 Magisters who breached the city because their are 7 Old Gods... They were after all, their high priests. The rest is quite interesting though.
I knowwww, I just wanted more sevens to throw in 
I always had a hard time looking at the mosaic, I'm on PS4 and there is a constant (even if subtle) glare on my TV screen + in game illumination of the mosaic that just butchers it.
I can't see seven magisters in the "Freed Are Slaves" mosaic (I can only see one, I must be blind), and I can't see the Golden City in "Invasion".
But it doesn't really pertain to the discussion 
I want to address your idea but first I want to share a dream I had, it may seem silly for me to take my dreams and turn them into ideas, but when I dream about Dragon Age it's usually my mind overthinking empowered by dream-imagination.
I had a dream about Elgar'nan, I am almost certain the shadow with blazing eyes is him, seeing it compliments so well the description of his statue with snarling mouth and glowing eyes, although we get no description of horns it still makes me think about dragons.
We also have this baby:
I can imagine these used as a way to light the way, this statue is the only one we see appear like this, imagine if its' eyes and mouth were blazing, along with the shape I could easily see the sun imagery in this (though as it is now, I can see only a toad, a toad that feels like it's so hot that it needs to cool itself by panting).
And while I'm here, have this to think about:
Some are of Mythal. Some have sun rays(?) like the mosaic painting in the library.
The one on the right reminds me of the headress Vivienne comes with and the spikey ones remind me of Andraste/Chantry/Sunburst Throne imagery.
Also, back to the mosaics, the Qunari horns in the Freed Are Slaves really remind me of Flemythal's hair horns.
And while I'm here, have this to think about:
Some are of Mythal. Some have sun rays(?) like the mosaic painting in the library.
Yeah the image is finally loading. I couldn't see it earlier today.
The first two looks quite similar to what is seen on an Andraste a statue in The Emprise du Lion in DAI (sorry I don't have a screenshot, I saw it a few days ago somewhere on the web). It's quite Chantry looking and reminds me of the Inquisition spiky-fist and throne, which basically mean it looks like an half sunburst. The third one looks like the staff Flemythal as in a few concept arts for DA2.
But in the end they might just be stylized dragon horns shapes. This is Flemythal's dragon head.
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I always had a hard time looking at the mosaic, I'm on PS4 and there is a constant (even if subtle) glare on my TV screen + in game illumination of the mosaic that just butchers it.
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Here are clearer images of trespasser mosaics murals for easier viewing (*edit* ehmm sorry my mind when to murals when you said mosaics 
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Modifié par Abelis, 22 septembre 2015 - 06:27 .
I knowwww, I just wanted more sevens to throw in
I always had a hard time looking at the mosaic, I'm on PS4 and there is a constant (even if subtle) glare on my TV screen + in game illumination of the mosaic that just butchers it.
I can't see seven magisters in the "Freed Are Slaves" mosaic (I can only see one, I must be blind), and I can't see the Golden City in "Invasion".
But it doesn't really pertain to the discussion
I want to address your idea but first I want to share a dream I had, it may seem silly for me to take my dreams and turn them into ideas, but when I dream about Dragon Age it's usually my mind overthinking empowered by dream-imagination.
I had a dream about Elgar'nan, I am almost certain the shadow with blazing eyes is him, seeing it compliments so well the description of his statue with snarling mouth and glowing eyes, although we get no description of horns it still makes me think about dragons.
We also have this baby:
SpoilerI can imagine these used as a way to light the way, this statue is the only one we see appear like this, imagine if its' eyes and mouth were blazing, along with the shape I could easily see the sun imagery in this (though as it is now, I can see only a toad, a toad that feels like it's so hot that it needs to cool itself by panting).
SpoilerAlso, seeing he is a man of many forms, the abomination statue can be fitting, it has 4 arms and it looks like it's melting, the droopy pointy ears look like small horns, it's swirly symbols keeps the body "flowing" and contribute to whole "ahhhhh I'm melting" theme. I'm not sure what is wrong with its' legs, it could be either sitting on bones or the bones of its' legs are sticking out.For me it fits with the "shadowy mass with blazing eyes, whose form may be one or many", since it feels the form is not entirely determined.I want to also point out the drake statue above it, contrasting the statue below with both shape and color, as one of the potential forms of Elgar'nan.My dream was about Elgar'nan practicing blood magic, when I woke up I wanted to write it down but it was like 1 in the morning and I couldn't be bothered, I just promised myself that I will remember. Unfortunately, I barely remember. I remember interpreting him as vain but not as powerful as Mythal, and that's why he took the forms of many. Why I think he used blood magic? Just to compensate for lack of power. It's a weird detail (possibly irrelevant) that I noticed but in both of his statues (Emerald Graves & Western Approach), one of his hands are bloody, and if he sitting on bones it suggests sacrifice.There is also these:SpoilerThe first one depicting elves, tired, downtrodden elves, above them a symbol which can be easily interpreted as the sun.The second one we see a horned beast, inside it, elves with vallaslin, their blood fueling the beast.Out of the vallaslin we have in game, their vallaslin seems to be closest (in my opinion) to Elgar'nan, you could argue it's not relevant, but this is the only painting in its' series that features explicit vallaslin.I could interpret the first one as Elgar'nan using blood magic to render his slaves mindless puppets to be used at war or the like, the second one is trickier, horned beasts in elven art usually represent the halla, especially when their horns are so intricate, but the beast is so far off from the delicate and majestic halla hat I feel uncertain about that. If it is a halla it could suggest Elgar'nan cooperating with Ghilan'nain to create mounts for the war against the rebels, by using the blood of his followers, if it is not a halla, the idea he used his slaves to fuel his powers would be my interpretation.The dream also connected Elgar'nan to the blight but I'm only left with nonsense in my head so I'll pretty much disregard that XDSo if we go with this line of thought... This lovely description of Elgar'nan's statue has more meaning than we want to believe:SpoilerThe poor fellas, now I could only think that slaves were literally used to erect these statues.It's kind of interesting to see that while I was dreaming about Elgar'nan the thread was talking about him, coincidenceeeeeeessssEdit: I forgot to add one point I wanted to say, I personally thought for some time now that the kossith descend from elves, it could be elves that were fed dragon blood and were used as powerful blood sacrifice material (ahem King Maric ahem), or that since dragons represented divinity in the time of ancient Arlathan, these were Elgar'nan's high priests. I don't think the kossith were a race like humans are or dwarves, because of what Corypheus said about their race being a mistake and what Kieran says about the blood of a Qunari Inquisitor not belonging to them.It could be that Corypheus is being racist, but I don't think so.By the way, Kieran's conversation is soooo interestingAbout Morrigan ("Just who is your mother?"): "Mother is the inheritor (of Flemeth's godhood), she who awaits the next age"About elves ("That's not such a terrible thing is it?", "The ears gave me away, didn't they?"): "No, I just don't know why would your people want to look like that", "No. Your blood is very old. I saw it right away".About qunari ("Oh? I'm told it's the first thing one notices about me", "That's not such a terrible thing is it?"): "I noticed your blood. It doesn't belong to your people", "No. I just feel bad about what happened to your people".About dwarves ("You caught me. And I was trying so hard to be taller"): "But you can't be taller, not without the titans".About human mages ("If you can sense magic, don't even become a templar", "That's not such a terrible thing is it?"): "I can't. The lyrium gives me terrible nightmares", "No. It would be worse if you couldn't touch magic at all. Like being blind".
Those little round guys in your first screen shot also appear in smaller versions on the walls where we see the mural of Fen'Harel removing the vallaslin. They are small, and near the floor, and do not appear as part of the murals in the concept art I believe because they are carved into the wall itself and the murals were painted later.
On another, note in trespasser we see a depiction of a lot of orbs like Solas', surrounded be a golden circle (ironically enough, i have a pic of where the orb is missing, only the cirlce remains haha)
and reminded me of this
On another, note in trespasser we see a depiction of a lot of orbs like Solas', surrounded be a golden circle (ironically enough, i have a pic of where the orb is missing, only the cirlce remains haha)
Spoiler
and reminded me of this
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! Where is that second shot from? Intersecting circles/spheres seem to keep popping up.
! Where is that second shot from? Intersecting circles/spheres seem to keep popping up.
(Its from emerald graves >Din'an Hanin>Lower level (same area where murdered mythal statue is i posted above)
Yes, isnt it interesting? world within a world and two more slight touching the bigger one? But this way it doesnt make sense.
Better explanation could be that, for the world to be 'whole'/complete (whatever that means) or to be seen completely as what is (the bigger sphere as saying the whole universe-) then all three smaller worlds/circles must integrate into one (current thedas, fade, titan/stone world). The smaller in the center being thedas, and the other two the fade and the stone. Thedas currently is cut from both as it seems, just getting glimpses of them but very distorted. I guess we may see these worlds come into one, everything points to this. Ideas? (Edit*FrankWisdom's theory in this thread would fit nicely into this image)
Modifié par Abelis, 22 septembre 2015 - 08:00 .
! Where is that second shot from? Intersecting circles/spheres seem to keep popping up.
Knight's Tomb, Emerald Graves
(Its from emerald graves >Din'an Hanin>Lower level (same area where murder mythal statue is i posted above)
Yes, isnt it interesting? world within a world and two more slight touching the bigger one? But this way it doesnt make sense.
Better explanation could be that, for the world to be 'whole'/complete (whatever that means) or to be seen completely as what is (the bigger sphere as saying the whole universe-) then all three smaller worlds/circles must integrate into one (current thedas, fade, titan/stone world). The smaller in the center being thedas, and the other two the fade and the stone. Thedas currently is cut from both as it seems, just getting glimpses of them but very distorted. I guess we may see these worlds come into one, everything points to this. Ideas?
I always took it to represent:
smaller circle in the larger one = Crossroad
Left and right circles touched the bigger one= physical world and the void
middle largest circle = Fade
I always took it to represent:
smaller circle in the larger one = Crossroad
Left and right circles touched the bigger one= physical world and the void
middle largest circle = Fade
Yes it could be. But if Solas needed the orb to get into the fade physically, why would the crossroads (smaller circle) be withing the fade (larger one)? Inquisitors and co and so other entered without such need. maybe crossroads are not even represented in these circles,they are the pathways/roads, places in between as moriggan says
My dream was about Elgar'nan practicing blood magic, when I woke up I wanted to write it down but it was like 1 in the morning and I couldn't be bothered, I just promised myself that I will remember. Unfortunately, I barely remember. I remember interpreting him as vain but not as powerful as Mythal, and that's why he took the forms of many. Why I think he used blood magic? Just to compensate for lack of power. It's a weird detail (possibly irrelevant) that I noticed but in both of his statues (Emerald Graves & Western Approach), one of his hands are bloody, and if he sitting on bones it suggests sacrifice.There is also these:Spoiler
Andoral=Elgar'nan
"By a thousand, thousand toiling servants swarming over a lump of fallen stone as large as a mountain"
"The Slaves have disappeared"
The sun and moon in particular, indeed, many believe the proper depiction of Solium is as both
Bound slaves under the "Solium" (proper depiction is as both i.e. smaller circle=moon, bigger=sun)
About Morrigan ("Just who is your mother?"): "Mother is the inheritor (of Flemeth's godhood), she who awaits the next age"
"The tale of Tyrdda Bright-Axe, Explained" thread"
Seventh stanza:
Verse six: One day child of Tyrdda's blood, Morrighan'nan, in strength must shine. (Another hint that Mythal was the leaf-eared lover, as she wanted Tyrdda's child to be named Morrighan'nan... Morrigan.)
Mor=Big, Vast, Immense
ri= ?
ghan=?
nan=Vengeance
Morrigan= Mythal's heir ascendant and her avenger.
So if we go with this line of thought... This lovely description of Elgar'nan's statue has more meaning than we want to believe:
SpoilerThe poor fellas, now I could only think that slaves were literally used to erect these statues.
Yep...
Like I said before.
What a P.rick
I knowwww, I just wanted more sevens to throw in
Yes it could be. But if Solas needed the orb to get into the fade physically, why would the crossroads (smaller circle) be withing the fade (larger one)? Inquisitors and co and so other entered without such need. maybe crossroads are not even represented in these circles,they are the pathways/roads, places in between as moriggan says
places In-between= Pocket dimensions in the Raw Fade.
The way I see it:
Copy pasted from page 6. post #147
The "stillest roots" found in the fade (like I tried to explain in my previous post) are still part of the fade but found in its center (think of the big bang, the origin of creation for example) where everything expanded from... Well the point of origin would be the stillest roots. That's why I used the supermassive black hole as my example. Its mass and gravitational pull influences our galaxy and the closer you get the more time "stands still". That is what I see when I hear "stillest roots" when the context is describing an unchanging world the "supermassive black hole" being the stillest roots while the "galaxy" around it is The Raw Fade. The "Fade-y" parts do affect the physics of the unchanging world, that's what "magic" is. That's why its affects were so much more potent without the veil. Magic is essentially "Fade essence" channeled through the physical by using your spirit, i.e. your "will" which is what connects all things to The Fade (unconsciously and consciously).
"Imagine if spirits entered freely. The Fade was not a place one went, but of state of nature like the wind"
This to me is a description meant to create a concept familiar to people who only understand the dynamics of the unchanging world. Like I've posited before, I believe both worlds interact in a state of balance but are not "one world". The state of nature like the wind comment is to express that The Fade is always present, felt but not seen in a physical manner (when on earth). It can be channeled to affect the unchanging world but is not "part" of it (fundamentally). That's why I believe Uthenera was used. Elvhen people now lived with physical bodies but were still constantly connected, influenced and empowered by The Fade. To journey and explore it's deepest recesses, they needed to "fully" be spirits so the connection was as "pure" as possible
Birds of fancy shows that they could manifest aspects of both "natures" but were never just spirit or just physical, it was a balance struck within them. Uthenera let your spirit be "unshackled" to roam The deep Fade without shedding their physical forms (like Xebenkeck and the other Forbidden Ones did).
As for "a dream within dream". Think of an ocean. Now think of oxygen bubbles scattered throughout. The bubbles are realms created by the Elves, sustained by magic and created with their wills (as shown with Raising the Sonallium Codex).
Dreams are formed in the current Fade (post-veil in the same manner, but not "hidden" per se) They are described as floating fiefdoms that can be seen. The more powerful the demon or dreamer (and the stronger its will) , the bigger and more detailed the "island" created is. What is important to understand is that they are all "impermanent" and subject to change. Because they reflect the emotions, thoughts and memories of other beings, they only remain as an imprint. As something that "Fades" hence the name given to it by mortals.
"The Fade may appear as something else entirely when shaped by dreams. Much of the Fade is split up into fiefs or demesnes belonging to the spirits or demons that live there, and they change the landscape of the Fade to emulate what they see in the minds of mortal dreamers. They copy locations, objects, people and concepts of the real world, often in a cruel or confusing way. These copies are nowhere near consistent, and fluctuate according to the movement of the dreamers. Spirits whose realms are flocked with visitors rise to rule great portions of the Fade, while memories and concepts forgotten in the real world slowly drift away back into the ether, the spirits who ruled them losing all potency.[11]"
Example. In raising the Sonallium the description states that 1000 elves are channeling essence from The Fade into a "sphere". The are described as being on an island in "the void" (meaning they are in The Raw Fade).
i.e. In Dragon Age: Until We Sleep, chapter 3 Aurelian Titus says that "there are void places, gaps between dreams" referring to the raw Fade.
Then the codex talks about looking into the "lens" of the sphere and seeing a world filled with indigo waterfalls and rust-colored jungles. That is your oxygen bubble within the ocean "waters of The Fade". That's what a pocket-dimension is, that's what the crossroads is.
Also the fact that you can actually walk The Fade physically means that was also something which could be done pre-veil. I believe the Golden City was created physically within The Fade, which is why The Magisters needed to reach it physically to unlock it, why Corypheus needed to go back physically and why Solas needs to get into The Fade physically with The power of the Mark.
I think "permanent change" in a place like The Fade can only be applied if the unchanging (physical) is what shapes something within it. That counterbalance is essential, which again, brings forth the Golden City, the only "permanent" visible structure within The "raw" Fade.
Same thing with the crossroads type dimensions and Elvhen cities on earth. I believe they were all created through the use of both the physical and The Fade, which is why they are intrinsically linked.
The Vir Dirthara is proof of concept. When one aspect (The Fade) was cut off from the realm because of the veil, it was sundered and fell apart, as what sustained it was no longer present. The difference here is that these crossroads type realms are shaped by Elves to encompass both aspects. They use the essence of The Fade and bind it to the physical, creating something in-between.
So that's the big difference with the cities they created "on earth" and how they traveled within the deepest Fade or the "pocket-dimensions" they created. They combined both "worlds" to create something new, though fundamentally, The Fade and the "unchanging world" are of two different aspects of the same coin, both exist as a counterbalance. The "spirit" and "the physical". They both represent something different yet can be used in unison to create something new.
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Seventh stanza:
Verse six: One day child of Tyrdda's blood, Morrighan'nan, in strength must shine. (Another hint that Mythal was the leaf-eared lover, as she wanted Tyrdda's child to be named Morrighan'nan... Morrigan.)
Mor=Big, Vast, Immense
ri= ?
ghan=?
nan=Vengeance
Morrigan= Mythal's heir ascendant and her avenger.
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I agree with you on moriggan being her avenger, but are you saying that Morigan could a next villain? Cause 'vengeance' doesnt seem very friendly..
Btw, if you listen to Flemeth in da2 she says some interesting things, that if we look with the new knowledge dai has given us, we can see with a new eye
I agree with you on Morrigan being her avenger, but are you saying that Morrigan could a next villain?
No.
I'm saying that Morrigan will take Mythal's place as the next all mother and is part of her game plan to circumvent Solas and stop him from destroying Thedas as well as deal with the Evanuris who struck her down.
Double posted again, I keep pressing quote instead of Edit, Please ignore this, again...
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