"The tale of Tyrdda Bright-Axe, Explained" thread"
Seventh stanza:
Verse six: One day child of Tyrdda's blood, Morrighan'nan, in strength must shine. (Another hint that Mythal was the leaf-eared lover, as she wanted Tyrdda's child to be named Morrighan'nan... Morrigan.)
I personally think that is just Morrighan'nan in the Legend of Luthias Dwarfson, who was a super Avvar chieftain like Tyrdda was.
No.
I'm saying that Morrigan will take Mythal's place as the next all mother and is part of her game plan to circumvent Solas and stop him from destroying Thedas as well as deal with the Evanuris who struck her down.
Ahh yes, you've just made something click in my head!
When Solas goes to Mythal at the end of the main game I always thought there was something odd in the way she says "I'm sorry too". Well, not odd for HER, in fact it seemed an entirely Flemeth thing to say, vague and easily misinterpreted. It sounded to me like she was saying more as an apology for something she had done/would do that Solas would not like, than as an expression of sympathy about what was occuring right then.
Only after reading what you just wrote did it click that we have only ever heard her speak of avenging Mythal, aka dealing with the Evanuris. That might mean that, as you say, she has no intention of letting Solas destroy the world, nor did she ever intend to restore the elven people, or if she did she let go a long time ago.
This is probably not a new thought for any of you but it just clicked for me so thank you! 
I personally think that is just Morrighan'nan in the Legend of Luthias Dwarfson, who was a super Avvar chieftain like Tyrdda was.
I'm not saying that Morrighan'nan from the legend is necessarily Morrigan. It's a parallel, and I believe Mythal named Morrigan after her, with the same intended purpose as what's meant within the context of the verse.
Morrigan could also be a descendant from Tyrdda's bloodline i.e. One day child of Tyrdda's blood, meaning that line would eventually produce Morrigan, like a prophecy detailing her destiny i.e. Morrighan'nan, in strength must shine.
Perhaps Mythal made that pairing for this precise reason
Nudging history
Can I throw in this brainstorming thread this theory video? What do you think?
Can I throw in this brainstorming thread this theory video? What do you think?
Spoiler
No, I don't buy it. There are a lot of other factors involved. Titans are only a part.
They are a force of balance. The Fade and the unchanging world. I believe the Titans moved around and "shaped" the world in order to compensate for the changes being made by the Evanuris and Elvhen People who took form and claimed the earth as their right.
This brought the Titans to their attention, which is why they started hunting them and learned of lyrium and it's enhancing qualities. I don't believe Mythal is an agent of the Titans either, her plans revolve around what was wrought by the Evanuris and what Solas plans to do.
I believe the veil is what brought the Titans into a dormant state. Without The Fade interacting with the unchanging world, their role as Shapers of the stone and as keepers of balance isn't needed. They are cut off from their purpose as well as the source of their consciousness. This is why they haven't created anymore Dwarves and most likely why the Sha-Brytol are so lost and confused. The fact that the breach is what caused the Titan to "panic" lends credence to this train of thought.
The Elvhen people were products of The Fade and were spirits before they found a way to take form.
Given the codex Old Elven Writing: "Their workers scurry, witless, soulless, this death will be a mercy" we know how the Elvhen people regarded the Dwarves, they pitied them and didn't even consider them "real" people. Their views basically reflected Solas' perceptions of modern Thedosians. They felled Titans before the veil. I doubt they (The Titans) held any sway over Solas or any of the ancient Elvhen.
As for Sandal, he very well could have been, or is connected to a Titan. As for "not enchantment" i.e. "magic", it rather seemed to be a frost spell, "Cone of Frost" to be precise, rather than him turning the ogre to stone like Solas did Qunari, if you watch carefully.
Speaking of Qunari, we still don't know their circumstances, though it's implied they are a mixed race infused with bred with Dragon blood who were a mistake. It's implied the Kossith, whether a culture or an actual race, were also "horned" and I believe they served as slaves during the Tevinter Imperium when they left from the east, 15 years before the Magisters reached the Golden City. I think they were used as blood sacrifices and slaves to fuel powerful blood magic (as we know dragon blood is especially powerful).
We also have no clue what caused the blight in the first place, only hints that it was due to the Evanuris unleashing something primordial is their greed. The Forgotten Ones are also another factor that has yet to come into play.
from what we understand of Geldauran's claim, they are not Titans, nor are they agents of the Titans. They could be however, involved in having unleashed, created or harnessed the blight.
Besides, if it was that simple the series wouldn't have much of a shelf life in my opinion, meaning, I would lose interest in the lore if this was the case. The song from lyrium is said to be different than the calling of the Old Gods, which is perpetuated by the blight, not red lyrium, meaning the blight itself is of a separate nature.
The Black city is said to corrupt spirits with the taint who wander to close to it, meaning it is a sickness of the soul also made physical when it hitched a ride on the Magisters once they breach the Golden City. This is why Red Lyrium i.e. blighted lyrium can infect people "psychologically" simply if someone gets near it compared to normal lyrium, where its effects on the psyche require "physical" contact.
Also, Dwarves were created by the Titans and once held a symbiotic relationship with them as Valta does, this is why Dwarves still have a lingering connection, like whispers of something once lost, the stone sense.
Other races can only hear the song when handling lyrium such as Templars and mages. The song itself also seems to repel Darkspawn, interfering with the calling.
In World of Thedas Vol. 2, it's also speculated that their are a lot of suspicious things revolving around the world such as the Voshai, mysterious traders from the west who apparently are led by Dwarves, who apparently hold standing in their culture and are often seen as ship captains. Then we have "Parladians" from the Boeric Islands, who could or could not have magic specialists akin to the seers of Rivain that specialize in concealment spells that can mask a whole islands "location". The Tirashan to the West also holds many mysteries, including Elves that seem to worship The Forgotten Ones. We have the "sunless lands" to the north, described as a hellish wasteland of Ice and snow home to Chasind exiles which may or may not have formed their own tribes.
To the East, the supposed Kossith/Qunari homeland of which we know next to nothing. It is said many who ventured forth have disappeared, some due to immense sea creatures, others due to what they found on the mainland. Drakon's Prophecy seems to imply a war was fought there with tooth and claw, sword and bow, brethren who after a time, could not be distinguished from one another cursed, generation after generation. Perhaps this was in relation to what happened with the Kossith and what led to their "dragon blood". If the Inquisitor is Vashoth, Kieran will either declare that their blood "doesn't belong" to the Inquisitor's people and express his sorrow at what happened to the people, which could also be in relation to what transpired in the East. The Par Vollen Pyramids are yet another example of mysteries waiting to be explored and explained.
All of this explain there are still many pieces of the puzzle left to put together and the Titans are but a piece, not the frame which holds it all together.
Example. In raising the Sonallium the description states that 1000 elves are channeling essence from The Fade into a "sphere". The are described as being on an island in "the void" (meaning they are in The Raw Fade).
i.e. In Dragon Age: Until We Sleep, chapter 3 Aurelian Titus says that "there are void places, gaps between dreams" referring to the raw Fade.
Would this be the same void pertaining to the Forgotten Ones and Andruil.
Would this be the same void pertaining to the Forgotten Ones and Andruil.
Perhaps, I don't think the void is one thing exactly, though it would make sense for The Forgotten Ones to have a realm in the Raw Fade, if they were in fact, of the Elvhen People. As for Andruil, all we know is she crafted armor of the void and brought plague to her lands. As we can attest to Dalish lore, everything said in legends should be taken with a grain of truth and a grain of salt. Perhaps Andruil used the Corrupted Fade Essence to create her Armor, which I'm guessing is what The Blight locked up in the Golden City was. This is all speculation though and I have nothing more on which to base my theories.
Can I throw in this brainstorming thread this theory video? What do you think?
Spoiler
I can't watch the video for a very silly reason , Ashe voice makes me want to strangle puppies.Not her fault , I'm very peculiar about female voices.(I can't play female Inquisitor for this reason...).
But I read a bit about it , and I'm with FrankWisdom , I'm not buying it either.
I doubt the Titans are manipulating anything because they want to be cured or what have you.
We've seen one awoken Titan and clearly the thing had no nefarious plan in mind , he was awake and started shaking the earth...but that's what Titans do.(shaping the stone within or without)
It didn't try to communicate with the Shaar something , not sure because it can't or didn't feel like it.
The Shaar something just started to act weird around it , protecting it , drinking its lyrium ...but again with my dragon obsession, people in Haven were doing the same with the fake Andraste.(protecting it , drinking the blood of the young dragons ) .
It seems to me it's just misguided people trying to reconnect with ancient creatures , they no longer understand but still feel drawn to.
Now I think the interesting question about at least Titans is ...yes Valta felt bliss and whole when she reconnected with a Titan.But she suddenly wants to ditch everything for it without second thoughts.Her letter were also on the worrying side , she stops sleeping and communicate more and more with it.
But anyway the question : once you're part of this whole , this blissful state , do you still have your freewill?Are you still able to stand as an individual after a while?I'm not sure.
Now it still doesn't mean Titans are evil or scheming , if the dwarves were part of them , they want them back.
Think of the Qun without any abuse , if you will.
Anyway the only thing the Titan express was mostly its sadness and loneliness.
Now back to more down to earth reason , the Stone aka Titans , only can reach dwarves.Other people don't hear it unless it comes from blighted lyrium.
Anyway my crackpot theory when Flemeth whines "As long as the music plays , we dance " it's because the natural state of the world was bliss carried by the "song " of Primordial beings ( Great Dragons/Titans)
But this paradise meant no free will , no sense of self.
Once you break the balance , you get the Blight , something carrying the "song" except a very sour version , people are drawn to the lost Bliss but in the meanwhile they rot , died , the world also suffers.
It's like entities were living in some kind of paradise , they eat the apple (free will /sense of self ) and doomed themselves to suffering.I know Bible stuff...
Except in this case I don't think there is some "God " who screamed "Bah you've done wrong bah sin !Booh".
Seven magisters, seven Old Gods, seven corrupt Evanuris, seven times seventy men of stone immense...
I don't remember if anyone brought it up in this thread yet, but there is this conversation that makes me think the "spirit becoming Solas" thing is correct.
(if Cole becomes more human)
Solas: How do you feel, Cole, now that you dealt with the Templar?
Cole: I don't know. He hurt me... hurt the real Cole. I'm angry at him.
Cole: I can't let that go. I have to become more, let it make me real.
Solas: You may well become fully human, after all. I never thought to see it.
Cole: When did you see it before?
Solas: I did not say that I had.
Cole: No, you didn't. It's harder to hear, sometimes. Sorry.
Solas: Good luck, Cole. You have taken a difficult road.
Why is this proof for Solas being a spirit, and not all humans originally being spirits?
Thing is with humans we really don't know much about their origins.
They are still linked to the fade like Elves and Qunari since they dream and can have mages among them.
The mages part though well...it could be humans breeding with elves in the past.
We know elves+ human = humans .So it's possible every human mage had some elves in their familly tree, but Tevinter is quiet about it.I mean Tevinter says they sank Arlathan underground.
Is there anyone who believe that?
In DA2 Fenris magister , Danarius , had those pointy ears , same as Feynriel , when the art team felt like giving a small difference between human and half elf.
And I imagine this breeding program the magisters are now fond of , started long ago.
But anyway there is also another difference we don't really see in game , Humans see the crossroads colorless and are sick when they travel through it.Their blood is also less magical than elven blood for unknown reason.(cf Cory using elven slaves sacrifice for the Golden City)
So chances are the humans and elves origins are not exactly the same .It doesn't mean that they didn't start as spirits , it's highly possible since they have some connexion to the fade...but what happened to make them different from elves????
Here's a theory: the Evanuris are - soul-wise - trapped in the black city, and the game-plan was to use the seven magisters as vehicles to escape the Fade; basically, the plan was to possess them. Like Mythal. But it all went wrong.
That's basically what I write in my OP, which is why they needed the Magisters to breach the city physically, not only to unlock its gates, but to be used as a means to escape The Fade. This is why the whispers stopped once the City was breached. The difference however, is I don't think it was the Evanuris who were trapped there. I rather think it was the Forgotten Ones, or something even more sinister. Solas wouldn't be talking about plans to deal with the Evanuris once the veil was torn down if they were already free,in the physical world . Also Cole conversations suggest they are trapped in a realm or separate realms only accessible through Eluvians (presumably realms in The Fade i.e. Pocket Dimensions akin to the crossroads).
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Yup, the rune on the titan mural also says
"Hail Mythal, adjudicator and savior! She has struck down the pillars of the earth and rendered their demesne unto the People! Praise her name forever!"
As well as
"What the Evanuris in their greed could unleash would end us all. Let this place be forgotten. Let no one wake its anger. The People must rise before their false gods destroy them all."
This seems to me as acts out of greed and not fear, they wanted to wanted something from the titans, I don't think they pitied the dwarves for their lack of individuality, they had slaves for goodness sake.
Solas also seems sympathetic (unlike what Lady Insanity says), I don't think he hates the titans like he hates the Qun:
Solas: Do you ever miss life beneath the earth? The call of the Stone?Varric: Nah. Whatever the Stone - capital S - is, it was gone by the time my parents had me.Solas: But... do you miss it?Varric: How could I miss what I never had?Varric: But say I did have that sense, that connection to the Stone. What would it cost me?Varric: Would I lose my friends up here? Would I stop telling stories?Varric: I like who I am. If I want to hear songs, I'll go to a tavern.Solas: You are wiser than most.Solas:I am sorry to have bothered you with my questions about your people Varric. I see so much of this world in dreams. Humans, my own people, even qunari. Dwarves alone were lost to me, save scattered fragments of memory where some spirit cared to watch. Now I know why I see so little.Varric: And why is that?
Solas:: Dwarves are the severed arm of a once mighty hero, lying in a pool of blood. Undirected. Whatever skill of arms it had, gone forever. Although it might twitch to give the appearance of life, it will never dream.Varric: I'd avoid mentioning that to any Carta, Chuckles. They might not take it the right way.
Thing is with humans we really don't know much about their origins.
They are still linked to the fade like Elves and Qunari since they dream and can have mages among them.
The mages part though well...it could be humans breeding with elves in the past.
We know elves+ human = humans .So it's possible every human mage had some elves in their familly tree, but Tevinter is quiet about it.I mean Tevinter says they sank Arlathan underground.
Is there anyone who believe that?
In DA2 Fenris magister , Danarius , had those pointy ears , same as Feynriel , when the art team felt like giving a small difference between human and half elf.
And I imagine this breeding program the magisters are now fond of , started long ago.
Playing through the library section of Trespasser again just now. Do any of you know what the translation is of what the Librarians say to you while you're fighting them? I wasn't quick enough to grab a screenshot of the subtitles but I'm sure someone must have them.
Playing through the library section of Trespasser again just now. Do any of you know what the translation is of what the Librarians say to you while you're fighting them? I wasn't quick enough to grab a screenshot of the subtitles but I'm sure someone must have them.
I sure do 
. First three are the librarians, the next I think is the archivist, the rest are the guardian spirits before they attack.
A lot of it isn't in the wiki but here's what little I could find from other words:
Seran viar malas shivera mellavar.
serannas = grateful, appreciative
viar = ?
malas = you/your
Halam'shivanas = the sweet sacrifice of duty (halam means end)
melava = time (past)
Ghilas dennar.
ghilas = to go
annar = year
Delltash = ?
Soo I really like this art of the Deep Roads and am working on my own version of it at the moment. But I have a question about the figure:
If this is Falon'din (apparently, in the Dalish origin):
And this symbol is for Urthemiel:
And this was in the architects lair (the architect of Urthemiel):
If that statue is Falon'din, then what does that mean? I wish we could've seen a huge creepy figure like that.
Soo I really like this art of the Deep Roads and am working on my own version of it at the moment. But I have a question about the figure:
If this is Falon'din (apparently, in the Dalish origin):
And this symbol is for Urthemiel:
And this was in the architects lair (the architect of Urthemiel):
If that statue is Falon'din, then what does that mean? I wish we could've seen a huge creepy figure like that.
Yeah I remember wondering about the first picture.
It was for DA2 , we went to the Deep Roads, but nothing like that.I thought they may have wanted us to meet the Architect ...
But anyway I think it just confirm Tevinter stole a lot from the elves .
The story is the old human tribes were already worshipping dragons when they arrived in Thedas (well at least the Tevinter tribes.) now imagine those barbarians , at the time, finding golden temple with golden statue of dragons or men and women looking dragony.
If they met elves who were still remembering the world before the veil and their gods ,well "when our gods were there we were immortal and magical "
Perhaps the humans thought the elves were unworthy of those dragon gods and they would do better and would be rewarded with the power of the Gods, immortality and magic.Who knows!
Talking about weird statue in weird places , in Crestwood you can find small golden dragons statues in one thaig.
To keep on with weird stuff...remember Orzammar , remember Orzammar throne room?
There were a small dragon bound beneath the place for unknown reasons.(http://dragonage.wik...Caged_in_Stone)
They bound a dragon with the stone it seems to help Fereldans who were having dragons issue...Now I have no idea why they prefer to bound a dragon in the stone rather than just kill the beast and be done with it.
"The beast is foreign" we know that's not really true ...(cf Hissing Wastes notes about dwarves having dragon runes etc...)
"the need is familiar" you don't say...there's like 7 huge dragons bound to the stone already.
I sure do
A lot of it isn't in the wiki but here's what little I could find from other words:
Seran viar malas shivera mellavar.
serannas = grateful, appreciative
viar = ?
malas = you/your
Halam'shivanas = the sweet sacrifice of duty (halam means end)
melava = time (past)
Ghilas dennar.
ghilas = to go
annar = year
Delltash = ?
Soo I really like this art of the Deep Roads and am working on my own version of it at the moment. But I have a question about the figure:
If this is Falon'din (apparently, in the Dalish origin):
And this symbol is for Urthemiel:
And this was in the architects lair (the architect of Urthemiel):
If that statue is Falon'din, then what does that mean? I wish we could've seen a huge creepy figure like that.
Yay, I knew someone would have them! Thanks!
Also nice find on the deep roads art. I agree that they all look really similar.
So the dragons are bound by the 'Stone'? I'd still like to know how they squished them through the Deep Roads passages. Maybe they flew around in one of those open sky chambers like the wellspring. Does this feed into "the blood of dragons is the blood of the world"? Wouldn't that be lyrium? Something something dragon fire being set ablaze in people's blood. And seekers setting blood on fire or boiling it. And those lizard men in the descent codex with blood and fire.
It's dark in this rabbit hole, send help.
So the dragons are bound by the 'Stone'? I'd still like to know how they squished them through the Deep Roads passages. Maybe they flew around in one of those open sky chambers like the wellspring. Does this feed into "the blood of dragons is the blood of the world"? Wouldn't that be lyrium? Something something dragon fire being set ablaze in people's blood. And seekers setting blood on fire or boiling it. And those lizard men in the descent codex with blood and fire.
It's dark in this rabbit hole, send help.
Here, Solas puppy will save you. He just wants someone to play ball with him.
So the dragons are bound by the 'Stone'? I'd still like to know how they squished them through the Deep Roads passages. Maybe they flew around in one of those open sky chambers like the wellspring. Does this feed into "the blood of dragons is the blood of the world"? Wouldn't that be lyrium? Something something dragon fire being set ablaze in people's blood. And seekers setting blood on fire or boiling it. And those lizard men in the descent codex with blood and fire.
It's dark in this rabbit hole, send help.
I don't know how one lure a dragon underground , it seems like a very risky affair.
But we see the Archdemon in the Deep Roads in DAO so some place are big enough.
About dragons being the "Blood of the World" I doubt it's lyrium ...Lyrium it seems reinforce reality , my best example again is...imagine a fade creature extremely powerful , spirits or mages , wishes Thedas was a cheese wheel.Poof Thedas is a cheese wheel!Titan's blood is keeping stuff like this from happening.
But we know Titan main role is only shaping/protecting the Stone , the earth you walk on .
We know the fade acts like a mirror , a reflection of thought/memory shaped by spirits.
Here's a description of the "raw " fade (from WOT1 page 132) :
"Accounts of the fade in its raw form describe a twisted, frightening world of dark rock and raw lyrium where it is always night.An ominous ribbon of light stretches across the sky and a shadowy metropolis known as the Black city looms ,always in the distance."
Wouldn't that be the world of Thedas if there were just Titans and lyrium?
There is still a ribbon of light in this , but not enough since it's always night.And beyond that nothing.
So who shaped the surface?The elves ?
If you believe Dalish myth (I know , I know...but that's the only piece of lore explaining the state of the world when the first elves appeared..) the elves didn't create anything , well except Mythal and the moon ...but everything plants , animals etc was already there, born out of or created by the Sun and the Earth.
Perhaps dragons had a role back then , what I don't know exactly but related to the sun.
Just like the Titans have a role related to the Stone and its well being.
And I went on another mini dragon rant , sorry.
About seekers , they only have power over lyrium it seems , not blood.
The strange thing is the tranquil who were used to see old elven keys from the Solasan temple , went through the same thing more or less...they were made tranquil then cured by a spirit or demon.(the only different is the death part)
It is possible the ancient elves didn't bleed through every orifice when near raw lyrium , (like it's supposed to happen to mages) but had some kind of power over it.
And this symbol is for Urthemiel:
Quite similar (the entire set of images that I trimmed), but, you know that image looks a lot like a Reaper... hehehehe.
Also, about the Architect lairs, it was an old elven ruins. Like most ruins in Ferelden we get to visit in DAO despite half of them being apparently built by dwarves (Ostagar, Circle Tower and the stuff in Awakening...outside of Ostagar, the other two were apparently built for the Avvars).
I can't keep up with reading all those posts, but I have been recently thinking about that whole connection with Tevinter - Elven gods - blight, and I recalled that actually in Origins, when you start as Dalish elf, the warden and Tamlen enter elven ruins, which are actually... Tevinter origin? I think it is Tamlen who mentions that. And there is of course a blighted eluvian. I just wonder where did Tamlen go through it that he became blighted, because I can't recall if it is ever explained in the game.
Edit: Taking all of these under the consideration, I still think that Andraste = Mythal = Flemeth, as somebody pointed out on this forum a while ago, that both Andraste and Flemeth had only daughters, and both had quite similar love affair.
I can't keep up with reading all those posts, but I have been recently thinking about that whole connection with Tevinter - Elven gods - blight, and I recalled that actually in Origins, when you start as Dalish elf, the warden and Tamlen enter elven ruins, which are actually... Tevinter origin? I think it is Tamlen who mentions that. And there is of course a blighted eluvian. I just wonder where did Tamlen go through it that he became blighted, because I can't recall if it is ever explained in the game.
Those ruins are Elven (archways, thematic and lots of elven artifacts in there), both Tamlen and Duncan just shows how history distorted the truth. The Eluvian lead somewhere underground, probably an ancient thaig because Tamlen said it looked like a city.
Those ruins are Elven (archways, thematic and lots of elven artifacts in there), both Tamlen and Duncan just shows how history distorted the truth. The Eluvian lead somewhere underground, probably an ancient thaig because Tamlen said it looked like a city.
Here:
https://www.youtube....h?v=bawZgc3ZFsA
4:50 - Tamlen says that "These ruins look more human than elven"
and 7:32 - he says "This looks like human architecture... with a statue of our people. Can these ruins date back to the time of Arlathan?" And yeah, it was Duncan who says that the ruins are Tevinter. For me, there are many parts of the history of Tevinter and Elven that match each other, but maybe I keep all of it too simple.
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