54 réponses à ce sujet

[Wahed89]

My theory is that DA4 will see the introduction of Mythal vs Solas.

We learn a lot about Mythal as well in Trespasser. The murals repeat stories of her solving crisis'. We have it pretty much established that she is an intelligent, thoughtful and compassion individual. She's also often seen as a good judge between right and wrong.

After Flemeth and Mythal being such big part of the story, and always seemingly having a plan, there's just no way that she won't be in the series anymore. The question then becomes what will her role be. I don't think her plan all along was to build power for Solas and then get absorbed.

She is such a powerful and influential character I think she will have to have a role suiting that. I think it would be too obvious to have her acting as a side kick for Solas, who in my opinion is almost indisputably now the villain of the story. Also it wouldn't match her seemingly secret eluvian exchange she does before he reaches her. She clearly has something to hide from him, and will no doubt look to have her say when it comes to destroying the world. I think it follows therefore that, once she becomes aware of Solas' plan she will oppose it. We had a hint of this from when she said he shouldn't have given Cory his orb.

There's also a lot of themes this would explore. The biggest being the juxtaposition of how their characters have been introduced and explored. Flemeth was presented as almost a villain, whilst Solas was introduced as a hero.

So yeah, that's my expectation for the future of the series. Thoughts?

[Aulis Vaara]

Actually, I think Mythal is truly out of the picture, but at the same time she will have set up a number of plans for the future. However, given the Solas was once her lover and that she wants revenge against Elgar'nan for murdering her, she won't have anything ready to help against the Dread Wolf. Morrigan will help though.

[MoonyuE]

I hope so, since I can't see how the next protagonist will beat Solas. His power is so immense.

 

(My Solasmanced Lavellan secretly thought this when she saw him in Trespasser 'For f***'s sake, you can turn them into stone with a blink of an eye but you let me fight through them??'')

 

Get back to the topic, according to the Stolen Throne, I always think of Mythal as a good one. I don't know her real motif but I feel she cares for all people in Thedas. She might want the Elvhenan back but not by destroying the current world.

[Wahed89]

Yeah I just got the impression that she is "good". Which kind of conflicts with my first impression of Flemeth which is untrustworthy at best and evil at worst.

Actually, I think Mythal is truly out of the picture, but at the same time she will have set up a number of plans for the future. However, given the Solas was once her lover and that she wants revenge against Elgar'nan for murdering her, she won't have anything ready to help against the Dread Wolf. Morrigan will help though.

That's interesting. So do you think Mythals soul ended with the end of Inquisition? Do you have any theories for what she pushed into the mirror?

[Beomer]

Even if we don't actually see Solas vs Flemythal, we will most certainly see Solas vs Mythal/Morrigan.

But I'm still betting on Flemeth making another spectacular entrance.

[Chiantirose82]

I always wondered what exactly she put through the Eluvian. If you have Kieran you could argue that she put the old God soul through it, if you don't ... maybe a part of Flemeth's soul like she did with the amulet that Hawke delivered for her? If she put Mythal through it then I'm not sure what Solas got from her, if he got anything at all, but that also means that Flemeth is gone and Mythal will get another host. That's where the Well of Sorrows might come in and the new host is either Morrigan or your Inquisitor. 

 

Seeing as Solas absorbs Mythal; I don't think we'll see a fight between the two, but that brings us back to what did she put through the Eluvian? I think that Flemeth always wanted Morrigan to inherit Mythal, that's why she taught her about ancient elvhen and the importance of preserving ancient lore, could she split Mythal in pieces like she does with her own soul?  It would be funny though if she did put Mythal through and Solas got nothing at all and that's why he knows that there is a way to stop his plans on bringing down the veil.That's why he doesn't tell you too much at the end of Trespasser, because he knows that Mythal is still out there and will put 1+1 together and if she ever finds her way to Morrigan/Inquisitor; has a good chance of stopping him. I'm so confused at this point!

 

Solas and Mythal are/were good friends (maybe more?) and both don't like the Evanuris, their goals look similar, but I think Mythal might be using Solas. His goal is to lower his veil and to restore the ancient elvhen world, I don't think he wants to kill the Evanuris ... Mythal on the the other hand though is angry and wants Revenge, another argument for Mythal trying everything not to be absorbed by Solas.

[Renessa]

I find it funny, that Fen'Harel is always reputed to be the "Trickster" (but seems to be more bumbling than anything), whereas everything we hear about Mythal shows that she is actually the crafty one. She tricks Andruil, she stops Elgar'nan and Falon'Din to wage a bloody war by persuading them to use Champions for their fight etc.

 

This is also what keeps up my hope that she is already three steps ahead of Solas and that she will still make an appearance in DA 4.

[Beomer]

I find it funny, that Fen'Harel is always reputed to be the "Trickster" (but seems to be more bumbling than anything), whereas everything we hear about Mythal shows that she is actually the crafty one. She tricks Andruil, she stops Elgar'nan and Falon'Din to wage a bloody war by persuading them to use Champions for their fight etc.

 

This is also what keeps up my hope that she is already three steps ahead of Solas and that she will still make an appearance in DA 4.

 

TBH after Trespasser I think Solas being a trickster was a myth spread by the Evanuris to try and dissuade their slaves from following him. He never was a trickster or even ever had any resemblance by behaviour to a 'dread wolf'. The Evanuris basically tried to scare their slaves into thinking that Solas was the big bad wolf who'll trick them and harm them so that they would stay under their sway.

Mythal on the other hand....whew....I've always seen Flemeth and Morrigan as THE mother daughter duo with a twist, that in the beginning the daughter does not trust the mother, but eventually she'll come around. And together they'll be behind a chain of events that will change the world. And this might sound sexist but the Bard had it right when he said that hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Solas wouldn't be a match, even remotely.

[Captmorgan72]

I think that Flemeth put a piece of herself and Mythal into the Crossroads for Morrigan. Morrigan will be drawn to it with help from the Inquisitor and take it into herself.  A weakened Morrigan/Flemeth/Mythal will make a deal with the devil as they resurrect Corypheus from within the Fade. The unholy alliance will stop the guilt driven elven god Fen'Harel from destroying the world. For his help, Corypheus gets what he always wanted, the throne of the Black City. Most of Thedas abandon Andrasianism and form a new religion centered around Corypheus. It seems a god that actually communicates and helps it's faithful is a god worth worshipping.

 

Probably not going to happen but I can alway dream.

[Almostfaceman]

Actually, I think Mythal is truly out of the picture, but at the same time she will have set up a number of plans for the future. However, given the Solas was once her lover and that she wants revenge against Elgar'nan for murdering her, she won't have anything ready to help against the Dread Wolf. Morrigan will help though.

 

I highly doubt Mythal is dead. She was obviously sending something through the eluvian and who knows how many "pieces" of her are out there. There's at least two if you don't kill her in Origins. 

[Abyss108]

I keep going back and forth on whether Flemythal is good or bad. Definitely not out of the picture though!

[Jeniva]

Actually, I think Mythal is truly out of the picture, but at the same time she will have set up a number of plans for the future. However, given the Solas was once her lover and that she wants revenge against Elgar'nan for murdering her, she won't have anything ready to help against the Dread Wolf. Morrigan will help though.

 

Is there any evidence they were lovers?
From the end of DAI base game I took it more as friends/motherly love.

[Wren]

I think that Mythal is actually the one who wants to tear down the veil and restore the earth to the elves.  If you read her Wikia entry, there's even a story stating that she's done exactly that already-- when she defeated the Titans.  Sure, she's compassionate and loving, but only to the elves.

Remember that Mythal is also associated with vengence.

Flemeth is described as becoming an abomonation after being possesed by the spirit we now know was Mythal.

We also know that Solas does not want the Inquisitor to drink from the well of sorrows and be bound to do Mythal's bidding forever (maybe like he is?) 

It's quite clear to me that she's had Solas in her back pocket pretty much the whole time and still does.  She's even possessed him!

I think we'll see Solas being redeemed through his growing unease for wanting to destroy a world that maybe isn't so "tranquil" after all.  In the end scene of Trespasser, it's extremely obvious that he doesn't like at all what he feels he must do.

My bet is on a Solas Vs. Mythal end with Mythal being the one, ultimately, who needs to be stopped from destroying the world.

[Stark777]

We will see Elgar'nan vs Solas when Solas' plan fails as always and he frees the Evanuris

[Aulis Vaara]

Is there any evidence they were lovers?
From the end of DAI base game I took it more as friends/motherly love.

"She was betrayed as I was betrayed, as the world was betrayed." - Flemeth

I take that literally, and I think it gives away the end conflict of the series as well.

Furthermore, I think Solas is going to succeed in his mad scheme if for no other reason that otherwise there won't be a new 'age' for Morrigan to inherit. Well, he will succeed in tearing down the Veil, he's not going to succeed in bringing back the world of the elves.

Yeah I just got the impression that she is "good". Which kind of conflicts with my first impression of Flemeth which is untrustworthy at best and evil at worst.

That's interesting. So do you think Mythals soul ended with the end of Inquisition? Do you have any theories for what she pushed into the mirror?

Yes, I do. I think she sent her knowledge to Morrigan, while her power went to Solas. And I think her spirit was inextricably bound to her power (just like any other spirit).

I also think FleMythal realised she had turned into a vengeance abomination, which played a large part in her decision to surrender her power to Solas.

[TEWR]

Actually, I think Mythal is truly out of the picture, but at the same time she will have set up a number of plans for the future. However, given the Solas was once her lover and that she wants revenge against Elgar'nan for murdering her, she won't have anything ready to help against the Dread Wolf. Morrigan will help though.

 

Would be weird for FleMythal to be out of the picture when potentially she could've been allowed to live by the Warden and then the piece of her that Hawke had was brought back to life.

 

Meaning two FleMythals would exist in Thedas. And unless they merged (which I doubt Flemeth would do just because she says bodies are limiting things and "Must I be in only one place at once?") she's still kicking.

[Neoleviathan]

I think Mythal already told us she has plans for Solas with that "She was betrayed as I was betrayed, as the world was betrayed" line. Flemeth was betrayed by men. Mythal by the Evanuris. The world by Solas. Her reckoning is meant for them all.

[Aulis Vaara]

Flemeth was betrayed by her husband for having a younger lover.

Mythal was betrayed by Elgar'nan for loving the younger Solas.

The world was betrayed by the Evanuris (the Blight?) for having created new life without them?

[Samahl na Revas]

I don't think there will be a Solas vs Mythal. Flemeth was teaching Morrigan the ritual for a reason.

 

Who knows how many fragments of the old Gods have been gathered. It echoes a theory that I do not yet believe, that some of the spirits in Solas's tales are fragments of the old Gods. Then consider Yavana trying to raise Great dragons, who better to fight the Evanuris: aspects of them selves. And surely there would of been a plan for the blight.

 

But, all conjecture at this point, Solas's original plan failed. What remains possibly is Vengeance against the God of vengeance, an eroding duality. Charter that red hair elf is of more concern, just not sure who she truly serves. If another could rival Solas for now they linger in the shadows.

 

From this a philosophical question: Can we truly know the answer to something not yet revealed?

 

I digress. Though we know Mythal was murdered, we do not why or how. The answers to these things may not be as simple as we expect nor can we expect the lack of necessity in her death.

[KumoriYami]

I'm... kinda hoping there will be some form of confrontation in between Solas and Mythal. There might be a conflict of interest seeing how Flemeth still has concerns for Morrigan and her grandson if Kieran was born, though her revenge might take priority. On Flemeth's part though regarding the epilogue from the wikia: "Designer notes on this scene indicate that Flemeth/Mythal knows that in his drive to restore the elven people Solas/Fen'Harel will kill anyone - even her".

[Poledo]

I find it funny, that Fen'Harel is always reputed to be the "Trickster" (but seems to be more bumbling than anything), whereas everything we hear about Mythal shows that she is actually the crafty one. She tricks Andruil, she stops Elgar'nan and Falon'Din to wage a bloody war by persuading them to use Champions for their fight etc.

 

This is also what keeps up my hope that she is already three steps ahead of Solas and that she will still make an appearance in DA 4.

 

We learn that he is not the trickster but rather the rebel. Lost in translation and all that.

 

Also Flemeth/Mythal spoke of a reckoning - believe me, with the conviction she spoke she is not gone. She will have that reckoning.

[Cobra's_back]

I would love to have Flemeth/Mythal and/or Morrigan/Mythal back in action. I see both of them as practical. As for Mythal wanting vengeance, It is a reasonable request. When someone kills a family member, they expect the law to give them justice (a form of vengeance). 

 

Solas needs to commit genocide to bring back the past which was majorly screwed up (DELUSIONAL). He feeds the delusion by saying he has a plan to control the other crazy fake GOD. 

 

As far as I can see, Morrigan/Flemeth/Mythal were at least rational. I would love to work with them.

 

I wonder if people are just taken in by Solas' honey words? As the saying goes, actions speak louder than words. Dear boy Solas killed Felassan, because the guy   changed his mind, and dared to think of city elves as real people. Then Solas gave his orb to Cory boy to destroy all of Thedas.

 

I wonder how many people don't trust Flemeth because the writer gave her the name "Witch of the Wild". Is it a play on words?

 

So far, I would bank on Morrigan/Flemeth/Mythal over crazy boy Solas.

[Cobra's_back]

Is there any evidence they were lovers?
From the end of DAI base game I took it more as friends/motherly love.

 

I will second that. He even said she was mother to them all.

[Cobra's_back]

I find it funny, that Fen'Harel is always reputed to be the "Trickster" (but seems to be more bumbling than anything), whereas everything we hear about Mythal shows that she is actually the crafty one. She tricks Andruil, she stops Elgar'nan and Falon'Din to wage a bloody war by persuading them to use Champions for their fight etc.

 

This is also what keeps up my hope that she is already three steps ahead of Solas and that she will still make an appearance in DA 4.

 

Totally agree. I remember the first book stated that she has the ability to read thoughts, and sense some future events. Having her come back would be excellent.

[MattH]

I think Mythal already told us she has plans for Solas with that "She was betrayed as I was betrayed, as the world was betrayed" line. Flemeth was betrayed by men. Mythal by the Evanuris. The world by Solas. Her reckoning is meant for them all.

Sounds about right to me!