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[Renessa]

Ok, after Trespasser I have started to wonder about a lot of things Solas has done.

 

After the explosion at the Temple - does he really try to help or is he only trying to get the mark off the unconscious PC - and only when that does not work, he tries to find a way to close the breach?

 

Why is he really staying with the Inquisition - to close the breach or only to get to Cory so he can get to the orb? I wonder what his plan was: Quizzy defeats Cory - Solas picks up orb and (surprise!!) opens the veil and destroys the world?

 

And what about all these old elven artifacts we "activate"? Solas claims they strengthen the veil. Is this plausible after his revelations in Trespasser? Seems like the last thing he wants to do is strengthening the veil. He wants to tear it down. So - was he lying? What did we actually help him achieve here?

 

Perhaps one of the first things the Inquisitor should do after Trespasser is to destroy all these artifacts....

 

 

[Poledo]

 

And what about all these old elven artifacts we "activate"? Solas claims they strengthen the veil. Is this plausible after his revelations in Trespasser? Seems like the last thing he wants to do is strengthening the veil. He wants to tear it down. So - was he lying? What did we actually help him achieve here?

 

Perhaps one of the first things the Inquisitor should do after Trespasser is to destroy all these artifacts....

 

I was wondering this myself the other day. It makes zero sense that they would strengthen the veil. I wonder what they really do.

[SgtSteel91]

Or what he said to Ableas. Did Solas recruit Abelas and the rest of the Sentinel Elves and we didn't even realize it?

[dragondreamer]

I think Solas would have taken the mark if he was able to.  Then he helps because he needs it to close the breach.  Finding the orb and fixing the veil are both part of his plan at that point.  The veil breaking apart that way was hurting spirits (forcing them to become demons), and causing chaos for everyone.  He seems to want things to be done as painlessly and stable as possible.  He wanted the orb to regain his power, and he wanted the breach fixed, so he could bring down the veil "correctly".  For the same reason, I think the activated orbs did exactly what he said they did (he probably created them for that purpose in the first place).  In which case, it would be best to leave them alone.

 

(Those orbs actually remind me of the lore behind the astrariums.  It was believed by some old Andrastian cults (Order of Fiery Promise in particular), that the astrariums were objects that helped hold the veil together, and that destroying them all would destroy the veil (and the world).  I wonder if they were mistaking the astrariums for Solas' elven orbs, that they learned about somehow.)

[KumoriYami]

I'm definitely suspicious about the elvhen artifacts. Activating enough of them does lead to a quest where you find an open Fade rift, which seems to be odd if you are strengthening the veil

[solomon.kosin]

Or what he said to Ableas. Did Solas recruit Abelas and the rest of the Sentinel Elves and we didn't even realize it?

 

Just recently have completed this quest and I got the same imression. Wonder if we see Abelas as Solas agent in DA4

[ZombiePopper]

Same here!
Just what ARE these artifacts and their purpose???
And I've tried several times to recruit the sentinel elves but no luck.
It does make me wonder where they go, Solas could be that connection to their old world. Esp considering who he is.

[Renessa]

Or what he said to Ableas. Did Solas recruit Abelas and the rest of the Sentinel Elves and we didn't even realize it?

 

Yep, the whole encounter in Mythal's temple takes on a different flavour:

 

Solas: "There are other places, friend. Other duties. Your people yet linger."

 

Abelas: "Elvhen such as you?"

 

Solas: "Yes, such as I."

 

And then the two exchange a very portentous glance.

[Korva]

I'm absolutely convinced he did try to take the mark while the proto-Inquisitor was still unconscious, yes.

 

@Rayah: Didn't he admit that his intention was to watch Corypheus blow himself up with the orb, then acquire the orb and the Anchor, step through the Breach into the Fade and start tearing down the Veil? I don't have the DLC myself, but I'm almost certain that is what he said in the stream I watched. The Breach was no accident, it was deliberate.

[SoulWeaver]

Ok, after Trespasser I have started to wonder about a lot of things Solas has done.

 

After the explosion at the Temple - does he really try to help or is he only trying to get the mark off the unconscious PC - and only when that does not work, he tries to find a way to close the breach?

 

Why is he really staying with the Inquisition - to close the breach or only to get to Cory so he can get to the orb? I wonder what his plan was: Quizzy defeats Cory - Solas picks up orb and (surprise!!) opens the veil and destroys the world?

 

And what about all these old elven artifacts we "activate"? Solas claims they strengthen the veil. Is this plausible after his revelations in Trespasser? Seems like the last thing he wants to do is strengthening the veil. He wants to tear it down. So - was he lying? What did we actually help him achieve here?

 

Perhaps one of the first things the Inquisitor should do after Trespasser is to destroy all these artifacts....

 

I'm fairly certain:

1. He tried to take the mark and failed.
2. He only stuck with the Inquisition because he wasn't strong enough to face Cory himself and he was hoping he would get his orb back, in the end.
3. Even if those artifacts strengthen the veil now (and they might, since it's possible that they are remnants from the time when Solas created the veil), they'll have some part to play in the future destruction of the veil.

[Nixou]

The Breach was no accident, it was deliberate.

 

 

The breach was very much an accident: Solas' goal was to remove the Veil entirely, not punching holes that act as spirits' meat grinders in it.

[Renessa]

That's right! He wanted Corypheus to unlock the Anchor, hoped it would kill him and then he would tear the Veil down. The explosion in a public place however causing the massive unstable Breach that could only be closed by a mortal who took it by accident, none of that was part of the plan. He would not have done it with innocent people around. Probably would have used it in a desolate area. He did not know Corypheus would grandstand and seek out the Divine. He also had no idea Corypheus knew the key to immortality. He basically viewed Corypheus as less than nothing and that underestimating cost him.

 

Fate then steps in and he bonds with the people he thought less of and then it changed everything.

 

What made me facepalm though was when he confessed he did not go to Corpyheus directly, and let the Venatori find it. Nice going baldy.

 

 

Only it does not change anything at all. Because he is still set on finding a way to tear down the veil and as a result let the people of Thedas die. 

 

He has been lying about his intentions from the first moment he meets the Inquisitor:

 

Bringing back magic and letting this world burn in the resulting chaos - he never ever even hints at this. It's all about closing the breach, stopping Corypheus, saving this world. He talks about lifting the veil and being able to live together with spirits etc., but he makes it sound like the existing world would or could change, not be substituted by another, magical one.

 

Is he honest about his respect for the Inquisitor or his love for fem Lavellan? - yes, probably. Almost everything else was a lie.

[Abyss108]

He wants to both close the Breach and get the orb. The breach does nothing but cause suffering, which Solas is against. 

 

He definitely tried to take the mark off you at the start of the game though and would have torn the veil down then if he could.

 

I'm inclined to believe what he said about the artifacts, simply because he never tells a direct lie unless it's the last possible action.

[Renessa]

 

Oh and he does hint at his goal in a rather amusing way if you fight with him in DAI. He literally reveals his plan. 

 

When is this? My Quizzys always get along with him really well. So I haven't got low approval dialog with him yet.

[Poledo]

He wants to both close the Breach and get the orb. The breach does nothing but cause suffering, which Solas is against. 

 

He definitely tried to take the mark off you at the start of the game though and would have torn the veil down then if he could.

 

I'm inclined to believe what he said about the artifacts, simply because he never tells a direct lie unless it's the last possible action.

 

There was no veil until he created it and sealed away his people though. So it would make no sense that they had devices to strengthen the veil. Unless it is a side effect of what they were originally designed for.

[Poledo]

Possibly after he created the Veil he made those so he would know what to do when it was time to remove it before falling asleep.

 

In reality, the devs said it was meant to be something else but was cut.

 

That's also a possibility.

[Renessa]

http://forum.bioware...eveal-his-goal/

 

Oh, wow - no never got that dialog.

 

But: He is lying again or at least using such double talk that it is effectively lying. 

 

I managed to find this conversation on youtube:

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=s4YixP8KhO8

 

Lavellan is speaking about helping, saving the elves (modern day elves) and Solas is acting during the whole conversation as if this would be his goal as well (if he only could "tear down the veil and casually reshape reality"). But we learn in Trespasser that he has not the slightest inclination to reshape reality in order to help the dalish or any other "modern" elf. When he succeeds in breaking down the veil, most of them will die. So he is lying to Lavellan, playing her, at that very moment.

[Renessa]

(...)

 

He underestimated Corypheus and now he is underestimating the people of Thedas. I keep seeing this image of him tearing the Veil down and nothing bad happens to anyone and they all get powers because ancient blood is everywhere now and he's like "well ****...  "

 

Ha, yes - I would like that as well. Don't get me wrong, I still like the conniving ******. I admire him in a way for being so silver tongued and I would like to get an ending (at least with my Lavellan Quizzy, who is all head over heel in love with him) where Solas does not die, but the chances are slim. 

 

I also don't know where you get this about elves with old blood surviving. When Solas saves my Lavellan by taking her arm in Trespasser, he tells her, that she is safe now at least for some time. I took it, that he means, until he actually lifts the veil, then everybody will die.