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[TeaLulu]

I suspect the artifacts are for the purposes he stated. He never lies outright, but mostly does so by omission. That being said, just because the artifacts can be used for what he says they can be used for (Strengthening the veil), does NOT mean they do not also have other possible uses.

 

I could definitely see those artifacts as sort of foci he set up to establish the veil, and while they do strengthen it, they can perhaps all be used in tandem to weaken it as well. So once they are all powered he could perhaps use a central one to change the energy from "output" (of whatever is strengthening the veil) to "input" to wreck it.

 

Or maybe the artifacts can be used later as a potential method of "gently" bringing down the veil. Maybe the artifacts, along with something else, can slowly siphon away power from it to gently bring it down in a less catastrophic manner than Solas' plan 

[dragondreamer]

All modern elves are descended from ancient elves.  Kieran is just pointing out that elven blood is old, because it is.   Every mortal is at risk of being destroyed.  Possibly any surviving ancient elves might make it through the transition, but we don't know that for sure either.

[Cha0sEff3ct]

I still don't understand why he can't extract the mark from you. He steals Mythal's soul or power and he can't extract a mark. Also why didn't he just turn the Viddasala into stone from the very beginning and avoid this mess that happened in Trespasser? Granted it was a fun mess to play but still. 

 

Also when he says he is going to remove the veil completely does that mean the breach x10? I don't get his reasoning. Why doesn't he take the elves to one of the in-between worlds through the eluvians and start fresh sealing them away from humanity, the qunari and the dwarves? Or if he's destroying the world why not just turn everyone to stone except the elves like he did the Qunari?

[Renessa]

He tells you why. He lured you to him to save you. Yes even I blink and faceplam at his reason.

 

(...)

 

Oh, I forgot that. Yes, he does say that. So, that means:

 

He is playing the Inquisitor through the whole of Trespasser! Tada!

 

"Trickster" after all....

[Mr.House]

I still don't understand why he can't extract the mark from you. He steals Mythal's soul or power and he can't extract a mark. Also why didn't he just turn the Viddasala into stone from the very beginning and avoid this mess that happened in Trespasser? Granted it was a fun mess to play but still. 

 

 

Even if the Viddasala was killed, the gaatlok was already placed, with spies still in place in the major areas. Killing the Viddasala would not have fixed the core issues going on, which is the corruption in the Inquisition and their mark going worse. Also no mater if his plan will cause massive death, he wants people to know peace before they die and he knows that the inquisitor will be able to hold order.

[Cha0sEff3ct]

He tells you why. He lured you to him to save you. Yes even I blink and faceplam at his reason.

 

Basically it's his way of saying : "I let you nearly get slaughtered so I could save your life until I kill you myself!"

 

Ah imagine the Fade plus Thedas as one with nothing to pass through them or keep them apart. Remember the final fight with Corypheus? We were surrounded by the Black City above the Temple of Sacred Ashes.

Yeah, I remember, I had my Lavellan say you made us do your dirty work with the Qunari.

 

I blame him for losing Iron Bull to the Viddasala! If he could only turn her to stone before that moment. Darn you Solas!

 

Wait the black city is around us at the end when fighting Corypheus? I need to go play back later. 

[Cha0sEff3ct]

Even if the Viddasala was killed, the gaatlok was already placed, with spies still in place in the major areas. Killing the Viddasala would not have fixed the core issues going on and that is the corruption in the Inquisition and their mark going worse and no mater if his plan will cause massive death, he wants people to know peace and he knows that the inquisitor will be able to hold order.

Ahh yes you are correct I forgot about the gaatlock across Southern Thedas, he does need the inquisition's support in stopping the entire Qunari plot. I concede your point!!

[Mr.House]

Coryfish pretty much made the temple of scared ashes the Black City in the mortal world in the climax as it looks very similar to the real Black City in the fade.

[Renessa]

Still harping about the artefacts, I think the suggestions here in the thread might be right, that strengthening the veil is at least not all they do! That would fit Solas's pattern of being economic with the truth. 

 

I don't know, in my head canon I have the feeling they might actually also strengthen his own powers. Or perhaps they create a network of power points all over Thedas. I will try to find more hints about them in the codex....

[dragondreamer]

I think all he'll do is revive those who want him dead. Whoever he thinks he can save will not make it, not even the Sentinels. Though I still strongly think what he thinks will happen won't. After the Magisters broke through who knows what will come out of there? He might have the fight of his life on his hands. No asking the Inquisition for help now. 

 

There's a lot of hints he might actually succeed on some level, but for now all he (and we) know, is that it's likely to be another cataclysmic event with a lot of death.  But if he achieves nothing more than flip a switch long enough for the Evanuris to escape...  This sounds like something Mythal would want.  I think she's more interested in revenge on her old colleagues than bringing back the ancient world wholesale.  If the Evanuris return without the veil, they would probably be unstoppable.  But if the veil remains in place, they won't be quite as powerful, and it might be possible to destroy them.  It still sounds like a massively bad idea.

 

 

I still don't understand why he can't extract the mark from you. He steals Mythal's soul or power and he can't extract a mark. Also why didn't he just turn the Viddasala into stone from the very beginning and avoid this mess that happened in Trespasser? Granted it was a fun mess to play but still. 

 

Also when he says he is going to remove the veil completely does that mean the breach x10? I don't get his reasoning. Why doesn't he take the elves to one of the in-between worlds through the eluvians and start fresh sealing them away from humanity, the qunari and the dwarves? Or if he's destroying the world why not just turn everyone to stone except the elves like he did the Qunari?

 

Mythal willingly gave her power to Solas.  He didn't have the power to remove the mark before then.  I agree he could have saved a lot of trouble by removing your mark early and telling you about the Qunari plot himself...  But there's no fun drama in that, lol.  I think he may have also been dragging his feet on revealing himself and having to explain everything.  The mark going critical probably forced him to act. 

 

He also isn't destroying the world for the sake of it, I think he would save everyone if he thought he could do that and restore the world at the same time.  There were dwarves, and I believe even humans, in the pre-veil world, at least sometime before it ended.  I've wondered why he doesn't try a sub-world (for all we know there may already be elves is such places), but maybe there's something we don't know about how that works.  Maybe those worlds are also affected.

[TeaLulu]

I still don't understand why he can't extract the mark from you. He steals Mythal's soul or power and he can't extract a mark. Also why didn't he just turn the Viddasala into stone from the very beginning and avoid this mess that happened in Trespasser? Granted it was a fun mess to play but still. 

 

Also when he says he is going to remove the veil completely does that mean the breach x10? I don't get his reasoning. Why doesn't he take the elves to one of the in-between worlds through the eluvians and start fresh sealing them away from humanity, the qunari and the dwarves? Or if he's destroying the world why not just turn everyone to stone except the elves like he did the Qunari?

If he steal's Mythal's soul, well.....Flemythal said it herself.

 

"A soul is not forced upon the unwilling, Morrigan."

 

Could this also imply a soul is also not taken from the unwilling? And so Mythal was a willing donator? 

 

....That implies some unfortunate things about the Old Gods/Archdemons. (Like, maybe they weren't going into the Warden. Or maybe even after they went into the warden who killed them, they could still switch bodies. Or they could split themselves into smaller portions like Mythal can. Obviously multiple souls can reside in a single body, they just sort of fuse. Maybe the point of the Morrigan ritual wasn't about preserving the Old God Soul, but in keeping track of it so it wouldn't become lost or become less-pure by mixing with mortal souls.)

[KatarXia]

That's where it's tricky. He says what he means but does not detail it to give himself away. He made ancient elves mortal accidentally and I think he thinks that all those with ancient blood will just be reborn anew with their old magic rekindled and survive, while non-ancient blooded elves will die. Also Kieran says our Lavellan has old blood, so I think he/she is a descendant of an ancient elf. Perfect excuse for him/her to live if he does this. 

 

 

 

...

 

Now I have a mental image of Lavellan being Solas' descendant @.@ ....

curse you, crazy brains of mine!

 

hkhm...please don't mind the interruption... also forget I said anything... 

 

[TeaLulu]

There's a lot of hints he might actually succeed on some level, but for now all he (and we) know, is that it's likely to be another cataclysmic event with a lot of death.  But if he achieves nothing more than flip a switch long enough for the Evanuris to escape...  This sounds like something Mythal would want.  I think she's more interested in revenge on her old colleagues than bringing back the ancient world wholesale.  If the Evanuris return without the veil, they would probably be unstoppable.  But if the veil remains in place, they won't be quite as powerful, and it might be possible to destroy them.  It still sounds like a massively bad idea.

 

I looove this concept. I know Mythal says "for a reckoning that will shake the very heavens", and thats fine. It might very well shake them, temporarily.

 

But Mythal does seem firmly bent on vengeance (odd, since Elgar'nan is supposedly the elven patron of Vengeance).  That being said, the Evanuris killed her, however it is one kills a god (likely destroying her physical body? Trapping her in the "Earth", away from the Waters of the Fade?).

 

Solas seems to think the only fitting punishment for Mythal's murder is an eterenity of imprisonment (though he says Torment I doubt they are being really tormented).

 

Mythal may disagree. Perhaps, to Mythal, the greatest punishment is that they be cast down from being Gods. That they be forced out from the Waters of the Fade, from that ancient, primordial energy. That they be cast down to earth, lose their powers (Due to the Veil still being in place, perhaps, along with some other unknown parts of her plan), and see how far their followers have fallen: And then be revealed as fakes, false gods, and lose everything. Their powers, their status, their followers...

 

 

But, at the same time, all the prophecies about the fade spilling out or the sky tearing open and all the magic being loose again are very compelling.

 

I suspect Mythal is after vengeance, but I wonder what form it will take?

 

I wish we knew more of the Evanuris.

[Renessa]

I think, Flemythal knew what was coming in the scene in the epilog and succumbed willingly (because she has something planned...). And I also think, Solas doesn't realize that.

 

I might be crazy, but when Solas says: "They killed Mythal. A crime for which an eternity of torment is the only fitting punishment.", he actually means himself, because he thinks, he finally killed Mythal or what was left of her....

[Broganisity]

On a scale of one to ten?

Fiddle.

[myahele]

He definitely played us, Iron Bull starting to see through his act. a "wolf in sheep's clothing" descibes Solas, especially as soon as soon as he showed up to help us. Then he truly cared nothing for everybody since in his own words he would have gone to the fade as soon as the foci was unlocked.

 

The cheess game between him and bull certainly has a new meaning now with Trespasser

[Jeniva]

Okay so without reading all the replies, here are my thoughts

He did want us to stop cory opening up the fade, because basically he doesn't want Coryfish to achieve HIS goals. Solas wants to do it more gentler and for other reasons (kind of). 

As far as the artifacts go, I'm sure I stumbled on a post on tumblr where apparently one of the writers of DA said it was just over looked and they aren't really to do with anything (but I'm not 100% on this). My feeling is perhaps we were activating things for Solas's long term evil (arguable) plan. 

As for why he goes a bit nutts if you drink from the well, at least he does if you're in a romance with him - some one made a good point in another thread that perhaps he is in fact mythals champion or some sort of 'slave' to do her will already. Also if that wasn't the case, then maybe he just knows that mythal is perhaps not always kind etc. It does seem like mythal, although better than the rest, seems to be some one a hard arse and will certainly take violent routes when she needs to. 

I do believe he recruited the elves in the temple of mythal. I saw a very loose translation on what he said to them in elvish, and it is NOT what he tells you he said. 

[azarhal]

He never lies outrigh

 

He does the first time you meet him. He tells Cassandra that he has never seen magic like it (what tore the Veil open) when it was basically his magic at work and that he has never know any mage who could do that when he knew who did it.