He does the first time you meet him. He tells Cassandra that he has never seen magic like it (what tore the Veil open) when it was basically his magic at work and that he has never know any mage who could do that when he knew who did it.
and never seen veilfire before, YEAH OK SOLAS.
He does the first time you meet him. He tells Cassandra that he has never seen magic like it (what tore the Veil open) when it was basically his magic at work and that he has never know any mage who could do that when he knew who did it.
Damn, you're right.
I'm gonna play the game again and just record everytime Solas lies either outright or by omission and make a youtube video.
"Solas is a filthy eggheaded liar"
He does the first time you meet him. He tells Cassandra that he has never seen magic like it (what tore the Veil open) when it was basically his magic at work and that he has never know any mage who could do that when he knew who did it.
Yeah, I'm going through some of my old PTs and he does say things like: "I've never seen Veilfire before, but I've read about it.... blablabla...."
That must be an outright lie.
Damn, you're right.
I'm gonna play the game again and just record everytime Solas lies either outright or by omission and make a youtube video.
"Solas is a filthy eggheaded liar"
LOL
Yeah. It somehow annoys me that my Quizzys were so gullable...
and never seen veilfire before, YEAH OK SOLAS.
I do wonder if he really is lying there. If he's been asleep so long, he might not have encountered it before because when he was originally kicking around there didn't need to be a memory of the fire before the Veil. Or. Something like that.
I knew what I meant!
I do wonder if he really is lying there. If he's been asleep so long, he might not have encountered it before because when he was originally kicking around there didn't need to be a memory of the fire before the Veil. Or. Something like that.
I knew what I meant!
But there is Veilfire (and runes) in the Ancient Elven Library in Trespassers.
I do wonder if he really is lying there. If he's been asleep so long, he might not have encountered it before because when he was originally kicking around there didn't need to be a memory of the fire before the Veil. Or. Something like that.
I knew what I meant!
Sadly there is veilfire in the Crossroads where we find him.
So.
I think he knew. >:c
I do wonder if he really is lying there. If he's been asleep so long, he might not have encountered it before because when he was originally kicking around there didn't need to be a memory of the fire before the Veil. Or. Something like that.
I knew what I meant!
The problem with that is that there is Veil fire that date pre-veil (like everyone else said).
I get the feeling that with the changing nature of the Veil, the ancient elves took a page from the Titan's book of keeping your memory intact and recorded some stuff "physically" using Veil fire.
That's right! He wanted Corypheus to unlock the Anchor, hoped it would kill him and then he would tear the Veil down. The explosion in a public place however causing the massive unstable Breach that could only be closed by a mortal who took it by accident, none of that was part of the plan. He would not have done it with innocent people around.
Did he actually say that? Seeing as how he must have been firmly in the they're-not-people camp back then, I'd expect him to have been perfectly fine even with blowing up a peace summit, as long as it would get him what he wanted ... and that the decision to carry out his plans as "gently" as possible only came later when his conscience acted up and wouldn't be altogether silenced. Of course, I could be completely wrong on this. 
The breach was very much an accident: Solas' goal was to remove the Veil entirely, not punching holes that act as spirits' meat grinders in it.
Hm, good point ... even while he didn't think of modern mortals as people, he always did care about spirits and would surely want to keep "collateral damage" among them as low as possible (even though he must know that his plans will be horrible for the spirits too).
Solas was following his own agenda throughout. My biggest disappointment in DAI was how little lore he actually told us after what we had been led to expect. I was thinking he was going to be the one to reveal lost history of the elves as seen through the Veil but instead I got irrelevant stories about old barbarian hordes, spirits and demons that were mildly interesting but not what I was really hoping for from him. However, since every time he let something slip about himself that I picked him up on because it seemed odd, I just got the standard "Solas disapproves." What he reveals about his actions in Trespasser fit perfectly with what we had been party to.
He thought to play Cory for a fool and let him activate the orb, the explosion then killing Cory, except Solas hadn't anticipated that Cory would survive. You see, Solas, that is why we have Grey Wardens. They figured out he couldn't be killed and that is why they imprisoned him. They got a bit lax in their later years but back then, they were on the ball. Solas probably originally went to the Inquisition in the hope of finding his orb. If he visited the site, he probably expected to find it there and then when he didn't, he went to Haven and offered to help, probably hoping to find it there. It was only after he saw the mark that he must have realised that his plan had gone horribly wrong. He couldn't confront Cory direct because he was still weak from his sleep, so he had no alternative but to offer his aid in the hope of recovering his orb. Remember his words when talking in Fade Haven about when the Herald ran up, Solas thrust their hand against the rift and close it "everything changed". He never does explain what he meant by that. If you choose the heart icon, you foolishly assume some romantic reference. I never did think of it like that but with my male Dalish he was just evasive in answering. Without the distraction of his romance I became far more suspicious of his motives, even without the scene with Flemeth, because of how little he ever did reveal of himself.
Solas maintains he is not a monster simply because he is going to allow everyone a few years of relative peace before he destroys them. Actually he is no better than Corypheus. Their reasons might be different but what they planned to do with the orb would ultimately have the same result. Also both of them took an action in the past that had catastrophic results for the rest of the world. Cory and pals releasing the blight on the world, Solas destroying his People's reality and ending their immortality. Neither apparently learned from their previous mistake. Cory had the excuse that he was an arrogant, insane, wanabe god. Solas is actually worse because he thinks he is better for feeling bad about what he is going to do and that he is being kind in giving everyone a temporary reprieve. He makes a great villain precisely because he seems so reasonable but I do find the idea that you can somehow redeem him by "proving him wrong" is laughable. If the evidence of history and everything you have done up to now hasn't convinced him to change his mind, what on earth could you do in the future that would do so?
Damn, you're right.
I'm gonna play the game again and just record everytime Solas lies either outright or by omission and make a youtube video.
"Solas is a filthy eggheaded liar"
Or start a new drinking game, each time Solas lies take a shot. Your liver won't thank me tho.
Guest_Raynah_*
Did he actually say that? Seeing as how he must have been firmly in the they're-not-people camp back then, I'd expect him to have been perfectly fine even with blowing up a peace summit, as long as it would get him what he wanted ... and that the decision to carry out his plans as "gently" as possible only came later when his conscience acted up and wouldn't be altogether silenced. Of course, I could be completely wrong on this.
Solas going to the Conclave to sacrifice the Divine would make no sense. He led the Venatori to it, they gave it to Corypheus and he hoped Corypheus would unlock it and die, but I doubt he himself was going to blow up anything with people in it. Even before we change him, he was never one to cause suffering and cruelty.
Solas going to the Conclave to sacrifice the Divine would make no sense. He led the Venatori to it, they gave it to Corypheus and he hoped Corypheus would unlock it and die, but I doubt he himself was going to blow up anything with people in it. Even before we change him, he was never one to cause suffering and cruelty.
Something is a bit off though. He says he was sure Corypheus would die at the temple, but he hadn't predicted him becoming effectively immortal. He knew this was going to happen, even if he didn't plan it that way he certainly didn't intervene. Why would he when his plan involves mostly everyone dying when he drops the veil anyway?
Guest_Raynah_*
Something is a bit off though. He says he was sure Corypheus would die at the temple, but he hadn't predicted him becoming effectively immortal. He knew this was going to happen, even if he didn't plan it that way he certainly didn't intervene. Why would he when his plan involves mostly everyone dying when he drops the veil anyway?
Yeah this is what is confusing. You see my problem with all this is he only reveals his great plan after absorbing Mythal and acts like it was what he wanted all along. Before that, we even see a scene where he's trying to aid an injured human woman. Not because it's a disguise, but because as the devs said, he wants to help people who are hurting. I feel like we are talking to someone with 2 minds now.
Yeah this is what is confusing. You see my problem with all this is he only reveals his great plan after absorbing Mythal and acts like it was what he wanted all along. Before that, we even see a scene where he's trying to aid an injured human woman. Not because it's a disguise, but because as the devs said, he wants to help people who are hurting. I feel like we are talking to someone with 2 minds now.
Could you tell me when this scene happens? I read elsewhere that it takes place in the Hinterlands, but I don't remember seeing anything like that in my playthroughs and I hate missing out on stuff. 
Guest_Raynah_*
Could you tell me when this scene happens? I read elsewhere that it takes place in the Hinterlands, but I don't remember seeing anything like that in my playthroughs and I hate missing out on stuff.
Right after you save the Crossroads and just before you meet Mother Giselle. As your Herald walks over to two soldiers, Solas wanders off and kneels down in front of a young woman to see if she's alright.
Right after you save the Crossroads and just before you meet Mother Giselle. As your Herald walks over to two soldiers, Solas wanders off and kneels down in front of a young woman to see if she's alright.
Ah, that's what I suspected. Thanks! I must have been staring at my character so intensely I missed everything else. 
And what about all these old elven artifacts we "activate"? Solas claims they strengthen the veil. Is this plausible after his revelations in Trespasser? Seems like the last thing he wants to do is strengthening the veil. He wants to tear it down. So - was he lying? What did we actually help him achieve here?
Perhaps one of the first things the Inquisitor should do after Trespasser is to destroy all these artifacts....
This is, in my opinion, definitely something he was doing to prepare for his plans to dismantle the Veil.
Other than that, Cory was a threat to him and his people because of his immortality and ties to red lyrium... so Solas had to help get rid of the old darkspawn magister, like it or not.
Yeah this is what is confusing. You see my problem with all this is he only reveals his great plan after absorbing Mythal and acts like it was what he wanted all along. Before that, we even see a scene where he's trying to aid an injured human woman. Not because it's a disguise, but because as the devs said, he wants to help people who are hurting. I feel like we are talking to someone with 2 minds now.
Not really, Solas isn't callous. If he were, he wouldn't have been in the position he put himself in, that of looking out for the little guy and freeing slaves - fighting "the man".
He can not like the fact that putting things back to normal will cause a lot of destruction, but still feel compelled to put things back to normal. Weighing the "greater good" and all that.
A perfect example is the Tranquil. Would you really want to exist as a Tranquil? Solas sees everyone as pretty much in that state, compared to what reality is without the Veil.
Could you tell me when this scene happens? I read elsewhere that it takes place in the Hinterlands, but I don't remember seeing anything like that in my playthroughs and I hate missing out on stuff.
I haven't seen this scene either, but even in the Hinterlands Solas always approves of the Inquisitor trying to help people. So he is not like i. e. Morrigan in DAO, who disapproves of your Warden helping the Circle mages or not selling the Denerim Elves into slavery etc.
Solas is almost Faustian: "Two souls alas! are dwelling in my breast..."
Guest_Raynah_*
Found it in the Solas thread! He's behind Cassandra.
Interesting, I never caught this before.
Or what he said to Ableas. Did Solas recruit Abelas and the rest of the Sentinel Elves and we didn't even realize it?
Didn't even think about this...and I've always found it curious that Abelas and Solas seem to have a mutual understanding of what happened to Mythal, and that Abelas doesn't seem put off that Solas has no slave markings. Maybe somehow he knew who he was? Or if not exactly who, then an idea of what he is? Abelas says the sentinel elves are always slumbering in between invasions of the Temple...I would at this point not be surprised if Solas made them aware, through the fade, of what was about to happen when Corypheus attacked the Temple.
Yeah this is what is confusing. You see my problem with all this is he only reveals his great plan after absorbing Mythal and acts like it was what he wanted all along. Before that, we even see a scene where he's trying to aid an injured human woman. Not because it's a disguise, but because as the devs said, he wants to help people who are hurting. I feel like we are talking to someone with 2 minds now.
I think it was his plan all along. I just think that he truly thinks that he is better than any other madman who's wanted to end the world in that he wants to help as many people as he can before he kills them all, or whatever is going to happen to everybody. He says "I am not Corypheus." Judging by his plan, that's like Hitler saying "I'm not Stalin". Sure, Stalin killed way more people, but Hitler was a mass murderer as well.
There's veilfire in the crossroads, yes, but that leaves me wondering... how do you get veilfire from before there was a veil? Did I miss an entry somewhere?
He does the first time you meet him. He tells Cassandra that he has never seen magic like it (what tore the Veil open) when it was basically his magic at work and that he has never know any mage who could do that when he knew who did it.
I remember that one. Funny thing is Cassandra is the seeker of truth and he so played her.
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