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[rx00]

A perfect example is the Tranquil. Would you really want to exist as a Tranquil? Solas sees everyone as pretty much in that state, compared to what reality is without the Veil. 

 

Still, killing every tranquils (or more technically, putting every tranquils in a harsh and highly lethal environment) is still pretty cruel. It's like in modern day, literally no one want to be in the state of persistent vegetative or Alzheimer, but putting cyanide in their food or throwing them into Australian wild without their (or their families')  approval can still be considered as murder, or in this case, mass murder.

[TeffexPope]

Still, killing every tranquils (or more technically, put every tranquils in a harsh and highly lethal environment) is still pretty cruel. It's like in modern day, literally no one want to be in the state of persistent vegetative or Alzheimer, but putting cyanide in their food or throwing them into Australian wild without their (or their families')  approval can still be considered as murder, or in this case, mass murder.

Exactly. And for Solas to try to justify what he's doing by trying to say that everybody is tranquil compared to how the world used to be, makes him no better than Alexius and his tranquil skull obsession.

[ModernAcademic]

Knowing what Solas planned - for the orb's power to destroy the Veil once unleashed, destroying the waking world along -, I'm beginning to sympathize with the Magister's original plan.

 

After all, Corypheus does say, when confronting the Inquisitor in Haven, that his intention is to rid the world from the tyranny of "the invisible", a.k.a. the Evanuris, the Elven Gods.

 

Of course he wants to become a god himself and has no love, nor concern for present Thedas. Much like Solas, his only concern is to restore a long lost empire where once each of them lived, even at the cost of destroying the world by causing the Breach.

 

In the end, Solas and Corypheus are not so different. Both selfish and indifferent to whether people live or die as consequence of their actions.

[Giantdeathrobot]

LOL

 

Yeah. It somehow annoys me that my Quizzys were so gullable...

 

To be fair, it's not like you can guess that the quiet, soft-spoken elven nerd is actually the Dread Wolf, an ancient being of near godlike power who wants to tear down the Veil he set up himself.

[rx00]

To be fair, it's not like you can guess that the quiet, soft-spoken elven nerd is actually the Dread Wolf, an ancient being of near godlike power who wants to tear down the Veil he set up himself.

 

Just imagine a Solas never hides anything, who always has the honest answers toward everything.......

 

Ugh, that will be a bad character (and thus making DA:I a bad game considering his role in the entire plot). I prefer the lying baldy we already have.

[Almostfaceman]

Still, killing every tranquils (or more technically, putting every tranquils in a harsh and highly lethal environment) is still pretty cruel. It's like in modern day, literally no one want to be in the state of persistent vegetative or Alzheimer, but putting cyanide in their food or throwing them into Australian wild without their (or their families')  approval can still be considered as murder, or in this case, mass murder.

 

So Solas would be more compassionate if he devised a way to slaughter everyone in Thedas quickly and painlessly? Or is he more merciful giving them a chance to survive the change (back to normal, ironically)? 

 

But we're forgetting the fact that Solas has woken up to a world that's not only Tranquil, but is treating his people with, well, not very much mercy. He can see the good in some individuals, but he doesn't expect it (that's why he's surprised by the Inquisitor if they become friends). 

 

So, from his perspective, people are walking around color blind with no hearing and a reduced IQ of about 30 points (the closest analogy I can come up with to consider the effect of the Veil) and they're treating his people like sub-humans. He probably sees that in the long run people will be better off with the world back to normal, considering the world will never be perfect. 

[Korva]

I remember that one. Funny thing is Cassandra is the seeker of truth and he so played her.

 

Cass really isn't the best at reading others, yeah, but remember how she grew up: she only really had her beloved but much older brother and a few servants for company, and then her brother was murdered in front of her eyes. Until she went to the Seekers, she had no peers, no real opportunities to practice social skills, no purpose, and she never fully managed to catch up on the lost "how to be people" opportunities from her childhood. She is a damn fine Seeker of Truth in the sense that she strives to do what is right without feeling that she has all the answers, to be the best she can be, and refuses to sweep uncomfortable truths under the rug or follow orders that fly in the face of her strong sense of integrity. I think she also likes to see the good in people despite her hard-arsed and occasionally volatile side. So ... in a sense, she's at one and the same time an easy "target" for Solas' manipulations and a person he genuinely comes to respect and admire because she has qualities that are clearly important to him. But those same qualities no doubt make her loathe him now. She went off on Varric and Blackwall for lying, but what Solas has done and is doing is not even in the same league of solar systems as their lies were.

 

But we're forgetting the fact that Solas has woken up to a world that's not only Tranquil, but is treating his people with, well, not very much mercy.

 

The modern elves are not his people, he has always been very clear about that.

 

 

 

[Wahed89]

I wish I could kick him out of the inquisition in my new run through ugh.

[In Exile]

I'm absolutely convinced he did try to take the mark while the proto-Inquisitor was still unconscious, yes.

@Rayah: Didn't he admit that his intention was to watch Corypheus blow himself up with the orb, then acquire the orb and the Anchor, step through the Breach into the Fade and start tearing down the Veil? I don't have the DLC myself, but I'm almost certain that is what he said in the stream I watched. The Breach was no accident, it was deliberate.

The breach was an accident. It was caused by the Inquisitor picking up the orb and getting the anchor. That wasn't part of the plan. I think Solas expected Corypheus to nuke himself and then planned to walk into the Fade like we did at Adamant.

[Korva]

The breach was an accident. It was caused by the Inquisitor picking up the orb and getting the anchor. That wasn't part of the plan. I think Solas expected Corypheus to nuke himself and then planned to walk into the Fade like we did at Adamant.

 

Yes, I must have remembered that wrong from the stream I watched. Still ... I thought the Breach was a logical consequence of things going wrong with the orb. If you give a super-powered artifact with powers relating to the Veil to a megalomaniacal would-be god and tell him to have at it, it's not overly surprising when the Veil is rather worse for the wear afterwards. That's why I thought the Breach was more or less deliberate -- either that, or it was a complete and utter brainfart on Solas' part not to see it coming.

[azarhal]

Cass really isn't the best at reading others, yeah, but remember how she grew up: she only really had her beloved but much older brother and a few servants for company, and then her brother was murdered in front of her eyes. Until she went to the Seekers, she had no peers, no real opportunities to practice social skills, no purpose, and she never fully managed to catch up on the lost "how to be people" opportunities from her childhood. 

 

Cassandra wasn't really close to the other Seekers even if she considered them her family, she mentions it in a conversation.

 

As for her reading people skills, she is actually suspicious of most companions. She also expect more from Varric (aka she is a fangirl). As for believing Solas's lies, well she isn't given any reasons to not do so at the time and we can't ask her what she think of him.

 

But their banter give me the impression she doesn't really trust him. She ask him how he knew to approach them and doesn't sound satisfied by his answer (Lucky us, I guess). She asked him how he avoided Templars for so long, if he really lived all along in the woods, etc. She put is story into question.

 

Also, I wonder if this banter wasn't foreshadowing, instead of what Solas believed it was about...

 

• Cassandra: I confess, Solas, I'm surprised you decided to remain.
• Solas: Why? The Breach remains a threat to us all.
• Cassandra: Just the same, I wondered if you might leave now that we have a plan to seal it.
• Solas: Ah, because I am an apostate. I might flee before the Inquisition throws me in chains?
• Solas: I take my commitments seriously, Seeker. Come what may, I shall see this through.
• Cassandra: As you wish, though I cannot guarantee what will happen in the days to come.

[Qun00]

I'm absolutely convinced he did try to take the mark while the proto-Inquisitor was still unconscious, yes.

@Rayah: Didn't he admit that his intention was to watch Corypheus blow himself up with the orb, then acquire the orb and the Anchor, step through the Breach into the Fade and start tearing down the Veil? I don't have the DLC myself, but I'm almost certain that is what he said in the stream I watched. The Breach was no accident, it was deliberate.

Why not just cut off his/her hand?

[LOLandStuff]

But we're forgetting the fact that Solas has woken up to a world that's not only Tranquil, but is treating his people with, well, not very much mercy. He can see the good in some individuals, but he doesn't expect it (that's why he's surprised by the Inquisitor if they become friends). 

 

 

You mean those people he doesn't even consider people, much less his people?

 

Solas got pissed and killed Felassan for thinking of Briala as people and asking to give them a chance.

[Poledo]

Knowing what Solas planned - for the orb's power to destroy the Veil once unleashed, destroying the waking world along -, I'm beginning to sympathize with the Magister's original plan.

 

After all, Corypheus does say, when confronting the Inquisitor in Haven, that his intention is to rid the world from the tyranny of "the invisible", a.k.a. the Evanuris, the Elven Gods.

 

Of course he wants to become a god himself and has no love, nor concern for present Thedas. Much like Solas, his only concern is to restore a long lost empire where once each of them lived, even at the cost of destroying the world by causing the Breach.

 

In the end, Solas and Corypheus are not so different. Both selfish and indifferent to whether people live or die as consequence of their actions.

 

WIth in Hushed Whispers we get to see what Corypheus' world would look like. I wonder what it will look like if Solas gets his way. Will is be the beauty of the crystal spires or will it be a shattered world because Solas seems to miscalculate how things will turn out a lot.

[Korva]

Cassandra wasn't really close to the other Seekers even if she considered them her family, she mentions it in a conversation.

 

Yes, I didn't mean to imply that becoming a Seeker meant she was surrounded by close friends all of a sudden -- just that before then, she probably never had much of a chance to interact with people as peers at all. And even after she became a Seeker, she likely spent most of her time away from whatever friends she made there, doing Seeker-work in the field. Her whole life has been one that does not really enable forming close ties.

 

As for her reading people skills, she is actually suspicious of most companions.

 

At least initially, yes, but she does open up. Her relationship with Cole is the best example for how far she can come to see the good in people. It is, as I said, a shame that the changes in the way two characters feel about each other are rarely reflected anywhere but in the banters between them. For example, Cass' randomly selected lines when you ask her about the others in Skyhold never change. As a result, the character development shown in the banters does not feel as "real" as it should.

 

But their banter give me the impression she doesn't really trust him. She ask him how he knew to approach them and doesn't sound satisfied by his answer (Lucky us, I guess). She asked him how he avoided Templars for so long, if he really lived all along in the woods, etc. She put is story into question.

 

Being suspicious and seeking answers is part of her duty, yes. It would have been weird if no one had questioned Solas at all. Still, the later banters between the two are much different in tone. Her own inquisitive and honest nature, when not mired in suspicions, is something that Solas would find appealing just as he likes being asked questions by the Inquisitor. When he reassures Cassandra after her personal quest, or when she asks about the effects mortal conflicts have on spirits, it feels like a very real, respectful relationship. As much as Solas' lies allow for that sort of thing, anyway.

[norealer]

Sometimes I feel like the Inquisition Solas is just like a RPG avatar of Fen'harel. From my experience most people tend to stick to the good/paragon side when playing a RPG. Since Fen'harel didn't even consider modern people to be real, the whole Inquisition thing must feel like a virtual reality RPG to him. So he literally "played" us? Maybe that's why he's so compassionate and caring in the main game, and ruthless and unforgiving in TME, as well as going full genocidal in Trespasser, showing his true color.

[ModernAcademic]

I wish I could kick him out of the inquisition in my new run through ugh.

 

You can punch him. 

[ModernAcademic]

WIth in Hushed Whispers we get to see what Corypheus' world would look like. I wonder what it will look like if Solas gets his way. Will is be the beauty of the crystal spires or will it be a shattered world because Solas seems to miscalculate how things will turn out a lot.

 

One miscalculation he might end up making and which would completely ruin his plan: by destroying the Veil, he ends up not only destroying Thedas, but also the Fade. Or a large portion of it, such as the places where most of Arlathan's legacy has survived.

 

He might literally precipitate the end of the world; of the entire world. Both the physical and the spiritual one. Which would be in accordance with the myth of the Nordic wolf Fenrir, one of Loki's many forms and the one that is said to bring forth the Ragnarok (the final battle of the gods, that ends the world). 

 

Just as Loki, Solas is the great deceiver, although his intentions are more noble ( to save the Elves), whose actions will be the prelude to the End.

 

 

Unless our protagonist manages to stop him in DA 4...or convince him not to follow his own plan. 

[Renessa]

Why not just cut off his/her hand?

 

I guess,  cutting off the hand would only destroy the mark.

 

Solas and Corypheus both want the power of the mark, but it has irreversibly bonded with the Inquisitor. As a result, Corypheus decides to kill the Inquisitor and look for an other way into the fade, whereas Solas opts to use the Inquisitor to close the breach and find the orb.

[ModernAcademic]

Interesting. There's actually a Codex about Fenrir in the game. The Tevinter Imperium recognised a constellation shaped like a wolf, which hints at a link between the Elven Pantheon and Tevinter's mythology:

 

Spoiler

 

 

[azarhal]

Interesting. There's actually a Codex about Fenrir in the game. The Tevinter Imperium recognised a constellation shaped like a wolf, which hints at a link between the Elven Pantheon and Tevinter's mythology:

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

Beware those codices, they link the leafless-tree constellation (Fervanis) to Andruil when Mythal would make a lot more sense with the leafless tree being her symbol.

[berelinde]

My biggest fear regarding all those elven artifacts that we had to run around activating is that there will be a quest in DA4 where we have to run around deactivating them all.

[Cobra's_back]

Does anyone know why Solas visits a human in their dreams? I always have high approval with him and my human inquisitor gets the haven dream scene. No romance but all the other lines are there.

 

I wonder why he would do that????

[Uirebhiril]

Does anyone know why Solas visits a human in their dreams? I always have high approval with him and my human inquisitor gets the haven dream scene. No romance but all the other lines are there.

 

I wonder why he would do that????

 

That scene is the Inquisitor, regardless of race, seeking Solas out in a dream. I guess it's explained that the anchor makes it possible? The inquisitor just doesn't realize they are in the Fade until the end when they are told to wake up.

[Renessa]

Does anyone know why Solas visits a human in their dreams? I always have high approval with him and my human inquisitor gets the haven dream scene. No romance but all the other lines are there.

 

I wonder why he would do that????

 

It might be a storytelling device, a foreboding that Solas is much more than a "normal" Apostate with a lot of knowledge about the Fade.

 

I remember on my first PT (human), Solas was my "wise elven Mentor". Even then it left me feeling pretty uneasy about him invading my dreams. Dreaming is such a private thing....