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[Arakat]

Like others have said, it seems that Thedas has never been a place that's good for everyone. There is no "better" world to bring back, only a different world.

[TastesLikeTNT]

He's going to torch the world and every non-elven race in it to make the elves all immortal and magicky again. I would classify that as 'bad', personally. 

 

And what if that doesn't work out? If the elves create Evanuris again? Is Solas going to shrug and say, "well, shucks, looks like it's murder time again", or is he going to turn himself into a Well-Intentioned dictator and hold the elves by their pointy ears to prevent that from happening?

 

He has power and knowledge and the Eluvian network. Can't he help the elves fight against their oppression as they are now?

[TobiTobsen]

He's going to torch the world and every non-elven race in it to make the elves all immortal and magicky again. I would classify that as 'bad', personally. 
 
And what if that doesn't work out? If the elves create Evanuris again? Is Solas going to shrug and say, "well, shucks, looks like it's murder time again", or is he going to turn himself into a Well-Intentioned dictator and hold the elves by their pointy ears to prevent that from happening?
 
He has power and knowledge and the Eluvian network. Can't he help the elves fight against their oppression as they are now?

I'm not sure if the current elves even have a place in his grand future. Solas and Abelas make it rather clear that they don't consider modern elves as equals or even their people.

Useful as pawns, yes, but ultimately just another bunch of tranquil "failures".

[SquooshySyn]

Did I misunderstand the dialog at the end of Trespasser?

 

I thought Solas's plan was to tear down The Veil and obliterate everyone to bring back the Ancient Elves.

Im sure I remember him saying that the modern elves were no better than tranquil to him.

 

So if he nukes the world the elves go with it too.

[leaguer of one]

This has to be even asked?

[TastesLikeTNT]

Did I misunderstand the dialog at the end of Trespasser?

 

I thought Solas's plan was to tear down The Veil and obliterate everyone to bring back the Ancient Elves.

Im sure I remember him saying that the modern elves were no better than tranquil to him.

 

So if he nukes the world the elves go with it too.

 

So his plan is even worse than I initially thought. That is kind of amazing.

 

Goddammit, Solas. You butt-chinned popsicle.

[Arakat]

Did I misunderstand the dialog at the end of Trespasser?

 

I thought Solas's plan was to tear down The Veil and obliterate everyone to bring back the Ancient Elves.

Im sure I remember him saying that the modern elves were no better than tranquil to him.

 

So if he nukes the world the elves go with it too.

 

So his plan is even worse than I initially thought. That is kind of amazing.

 

Goddammit, Solas. You butt-chinned popsicle.

 

Yep. He even killed Felassan because Felassan saw Briala as a person and wanted to give her a chance.

[Mr.House]

Yep. He even killed Felassan because Felassan saw Briala as a person and wanted to give her a chance.

Which ironically he approves if you put her in charge.

 

Fricken egg.....

[Lunatic Lace]

I'm sure someone's already said something like this before, but I equate this whole Solas plot to an alien overlord destroying his own planet, coming here, hanging out for a year and deciding on his own that he's just going to kill humanity off so what's left of his people can move in. There's a reason so many movies play this type of scenario off as a good guys vs. bad guys line.

Anyone who has ever been an exchange student (elven wolf god) knows that one year isn't enough to absorb everything in a culture (WORLD) that's entirely different from your own. This is especially true for someone who spends the majority of that time chatting on the computer (hanging out in the fade) with people from home (spirits).

As I understood it, Solas likely spent more time in that year in the fade than in the world, and not only does the fade not offer an accurate representation of the world, but spirits sure aren't experts on the physical realm. If he spent most of his time talking to them instead of actual people then he sure as heck isn't in a position to be judging anyone, let alone condemning everything that isn't familiar to him.

It seems like he intended to tear down the veil fairly early on, and it was only his own weakness that prevented it from happening. That kind of feels like it didn't really matter what the state of things were. The people in the world weren't HIS people, so that was enough reason to kill them off. It's only after his interactions within the inquisition that he even seems to find reason to feel bad about it.

Whether or not the world would be better is moot. Solas is in no position to decide anything for anyone.

[SquooshySyn]

So his plan is even worse than I initially thought. That is kind of amazing.

 

Goddammit, Solas. You butt-chinned popsicle.

 

Welp, that's going to be my new favorite insult to sling at people lol 

[Broganisity]

Doesn't matter who you are or what time you are from: people do dumb things. Very dumb things. They have done dumb things since the very beginning; when mankind first crawled forth from the sea the first thing they did was set up a society where they then did dumb things.

Solas, with his magically-inclined shiny bald (and dumb) head, wants to bring back a dumb world by doing a dumb thing that will end the current dumb world. The only change that happens in the process is that a bunch of innocent people, who probably were doing dumb things, are going to die in a dumb way because Captain Dumb-Dumb's best friend got killed by the other Dumb-Dumbs who were also doing dumb things simply to make themselves feel not dumb.

Dumb, dumb, dumb.

EDIT: Dumb.

Modifié par Broganisity, 15 septembre 2015 - 06:54 .

[Forsythia77]

My thoughts on Solas are that just because he wants to remake the world like how it used to be doesn't mean that it would be better that way.  One set of problems and issues will be replaced by another set of problems and issues.  Furthermore, there is no guarantee that him restoring the world so that there is no veil will bring about the idyllic condition he seeks.  It could cause some other more catastrophic condition to occur.  He does not know.  It's never been done before.  He is assuming that the outcome he expects to happen will happen.  

Assuming that not everyone who is currently in Thedas dies off when the veil is removed, he can't assume that those people won't fight against him or form a resistance or become horrible monsters worse than the original Evanurs.  He might have been dreaming about this for 1000 plus odd years, but I don't think he actually thought this through in any thoughtful way.  He has a one track mind and is unable to see other permutations of his actions. 

[Mr.House]

Doesn't matter who you are or what time you are from: people do dumb things. Very dumb things. They have done dumb things since the very beginning; when mankind first crawled forth from the sea the first thing they did was set up a society where they then did dumb things.

Solas, with his magically-inclined shiny bald (and dumb) head, wants to bring back a dumb world by doing a dumb thing that will end the current dumb world. The only change that happens in the process is that a bunch of innocent people, who probably were doing dumb things, are going to die in a dumb way because Captain Dumb-Dumb's best friend got killed by the other Dumb-Dumbs who were also doing dumb things simply to make themselves feel not dumb.

Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Hi Sera.

[Broganisity]

Hi Sera.

. . .Well, I was going to back cookies later today (for real, oddly enough.)

Now you don't get any. MAN-SERA, AWAY!

[thats1evildude]

What will happen to the darkspawn under Solas' plan? Will they be destroyed? Or will bringing down the Veil turn them into super-charged monstrosities?

 

Remember, darkspawn originated in the Fade, or at least the Blight did. I'm afraid that he's just going to make things worse.

[Ballax]

I'm going to say what I've wanted to say to every bloody contrarian who has ever argued in favour of Caesar's Legion, The Reapers or any other obviously evil faction.

 

Yes they're evil, stop being a ******.

[Mr.House]

What plan does Solas have for crap like Nightmare? That's the real issue, he knows demons like Nightmare are in the fade and the only thing keeping them away is the veil.

[Poledo]

A good amount of people worship a "God" that flooded the earth and killed mostly everything so he could start over. Solas must have read the bible.

[Broganisity]

A good amount of people worship a "God" that flooded the earth and killed mostly everything so he could start over. Solas must have read the bible.

Maker's breath, you might cut someone with that edge! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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But yeah, I don't think Solas has thought this all through: Nightmare's a powerful demon that won't just become super happy and nice because Solas wants it to-

. . .now I think they're in league together. Quick! Someone pass me my tin foil hat!

[Mr.House]

Maker's breath, you might cut someone with that edge! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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But yeah, I don't think Solas has thought this all through: Nightmare's a powerful demon that won't just become super happy and nice because Solas wants it to-

. . .now I think they're in league together. Quick! Someone pass me my tin foil hat!

Nightmare would gain alot of power from feeding off the fear of the end of the world (which to the mortals is what Solas's plan is) afterall.

[Drasanil]

A good amount of people worship a "God" that flooded the earth and killed mostly everything so he could start over. Solas must have read the bible.

 

That's how you know a God is legit. If their attempt to make things better doesn't somehow include incidental or deliberate genocide they're God-ing it wrong 

[TobiTobsen]

Nightmare would gain alot of power from feeding off the fear of the end of the world (which to the mortals is what Solas's plan is) afterall.

 

Demons like Nightmare are one part of the problem. The others would be Solas "colleagues". The last time he couldn't kill them, so he created the veil. Now his plan is... removing the veil?

 

 

Does he even have a plan? Besides "I'm sure this time everything will turn out for the best!"?

So he breaks down the veil, kills millions in the ensuring chaos, the rest gets eaten by demons and his god buddies, he can't stop them (again) and then what?

Third time's a charm?

[Poledo]

Maker's breath, you might cut someone with that edge! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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But yeah, I don't think Solas has thought this all through: Nightmare's a powerful demon that won't just become super happy and nice because Solas wants it to-

. . .now I think they're in league together. Quick! Someone pass me my tin foil hat!

 

Sorry, please beware of sharp edges

[diaspora2k5]

I mean, in all honesty, is it? I mean everyone dying aside, would it actually be a better option in the long run?

I...

What?

 

edit: Yeah, the nightmare lives in the fade. Combine that with the terror of the evanuris, I can't see this ending well.

[The Night Haunter]

From Solas' point of view:

Everyone in the world right now is essentially tranquil. In DA2 Ander's BF begs us to kill him rather than letting him return to being tranquil (Ditto for DA:Asunder mage). Even mages in todays Thedas are less than what they were pre-veil. To Solas' mind he is bring about a change that won't (despite everyone's over exaggeration) kill everyone, but will cause thousands of deaths and massive destruction. It will elevate the survivor's to the level they should have been at all along, and he plans on sacrificing himself to keep the Evanuris from returning. It is the greater good in his mind. A few thousand die today so that no-one else will ever die again (elves (and maybe even humans) were immortal pre-veil).

 

It is important to note since everyone is going way overboard; NOT EVERYONE WILL DIE. Solas himself says it will destroy the world, but he means that figuratively, just like putting up the veil destroyed his world. More survived than died, but societies collapsed and thousands died. Bringing down the veil would likely have the same effect: More will survive the event than will die, but all kingdoms and societies will be in flux and everything will change.