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[Mr.House]

Unless Solas has a very good plan for the the false gods and powerful demons like Nightmare, his plan will fall apart and crumble.

[thats1evildude]

My biggest concern, as I said before, is that this would empower the darkspawn. I don't fancy the prospects of the survivors if they have to face down a horde of darkspawn mages.

[The Night Haunter]

My biggest concern, as I said before, is that this would empower the darkspawn. I don't fancy the prospects of the survivors if they have to face down a horde of darkspawn mages.

I believe the lore states that Emissary's don't actually cast magic through the fade, instead they use the Taint/Blight itself to power their magics, so it is possible the Darkspawn would not benefit from the veil dropping, just like the dwarves might not either (I think their no dreaming status comes more from separation from the Titans than it does from the Veil).

[Cobra's_back]

I mean, in all honesty, is it? I mean everyone dying aside, would it actually be a better option in the long run?

 

Well we call it genocide and it is bad. He does this so he could save his special kind of people.

[Poledo]

Unless Solas has a very good plan for the the false gods and powerful demons like Nightmare, his plan will fall apart and crumble.

 

Originally I don't think he did. Solas in the past seems to be very quick to react and unable to see the ultimate consequences. This is why he is now trying to put things back the way they were. Yet he seems to keep messing up time and again. If it hadn't been for the fact that he was unable to unlock his orb when he awoke, he would have already dropped the veil and we'd be seeing whatever those consequences might be.

Yet this time he was moved by the inquisition and the inquisitor in general, even if you were an ass to him he respected what you accomplished. So he had time to think and ponder his actions and what he was going to do this time when Cory was defeated and when he got back the orb. Even though the orb was destroyed. He gave this plan more thought than possibly any in his life.

[MrObnoxiousUK]

I mean, in all honesty, is it? I mean everyone dying aside, would it actually be a better option in the long run?

The perpetrators of genocide will always make an excuse to justify their atrocities, if only to salve their conscious. The Ancient Elves had their time in the sun, time has moved on and Solas should accept this and adapt to his new environment and make the best out of the situation.   

The eradication of every living thing deemed not "pure" or "normal" or "Chosen" is a concept we have encountered in our own world many times and we have all seen the consequences of that.

[Cobra's_back]

Like others have said, it seems that Thedas has never been a place that's good for everyone. There is no "better" world to bring back, only a different world.

 

A world that at one time he could not stand. 

[Mr.House]

My biggest concern, as I said before, is that this would empower the darkspawn. I don't fancy the prospects of the survivors if they have to face down a horde of darkspawn mages.

This is another big concern after the false gods and the uber demons like Nightmare.

[Asdrubael Vect]

I mean, in all honesty, is it? I mean everyone dying aside, would it actually be a better option in the long run?

not correct

 

everyone who is non-mage

 

elves will have their immortality and magic back

 

dwarfs and many elf-blood as non-elf mages will survive, as will golems

 

no more Qun, Orlais sh*t, no more darkspawns and deamons(they was very weak tools before veil)

[thats1evildude]

I believe the lore states that Emissary's don't actually cast magic through the fade, instead they use the Taint/Blight itself to power their magics, so it is possible the Darkspawn would not benefit from the veil dropping, just like the dwarves might not either (I think their no dreaming status comes more from separation from the Titans than it does from the Veil).

 

The Blight originated in the Fade. Darkspawn necromancers are capable of raising walking corpses; even if their magic comes from the taint, they're obviously able to manipulate Fade energy and spirits.

 

Can we really take the chance that this won't create Super Darkspawn? Imagine if every time an ogre punched you, its fists were on fire, or charged with lighting.

[Asdrubael Vect]

thre will be no super darkspawns, all what was still lived after destruction of Solas fade will be exterminated or cured by Evanuris

[Cobra's_back]

But one could argue that those who are dying are doing so for the greater good, a better world.

 

Well those are the words we typically hear for a dictator. For the greater good we have to commit genocide. Welcome to Utopia that doesn't exist. A better world for GOD Solas. His followers better fall in-line or they may find themselves dead for not following through with his grand plan.

[Cobra's_back]

He says he sees there is good, but even with that people are less than they were. They aren't at the level of tranquil to him, but they aren't full people either.

 

Also: to all those saying he is a racist, i think it is more that he believes in magic than in any specific people. He is a bit racist, and seems to believe Elves have the highest potential, but I don't think he wants to create a world without humans or dwarves, or even to subjugate them. He just wants all the magic to return.

At the end of the game all the elves are leaving. Could it be that he plans to move the elves to the crossroads to be safe before he destroys the world? If that is the case he is a RACIST. He wants to kill everyone who is not an elf. 

[Deebo305]

I mean, in all honesty, is it? I mean everyone dying aside, would it actually be a better option in the long run?

Atleast your clear on the everyone dying, just had to make sure

[Heimdall]

The perpetrators of genocide will always make an excuse to justify their atrocities, if only to salve their conscious. The Ancient Elves had their time in the sun, time has moved on and Solas should accept this and adapt to his new environment and make the best out of the situation.   

The eradication of every living thing deemed not "pure" or "normal" or "Chosen" is a concept we have encountered in our own world many times and we have all seen the consequences of that.

Well for Solas what's complicating the situation is his guilt.

 

Time didn't just move on and leave the Ancient Elves behind.  The reason they've fallen is 100% his fault, unintentionally.  He's trying to give back what he, personally, took away.  He isn't punishing people for not being "pure" or "Chosen", rather he considers their eradication an unfortunate bi-product of undoing his mistake.  In his defense, he doesn't like doing it one bit.  That's why he encourages Inquisitors he likes to prove him wrong and give him a reason to not do it.

 

I'm not trying to defend him, just encouraging a better understanding.  He isn't trying to "PURGE THE UNCLEAN".

 

At the end of the game all the elves are leaving. Could it be that he plans to move the elves to the crossroads to be safe before he destroys the world? If that is the case he is a RACIST. He wants to kill everyone who is not an elf. 

Not all the elves.  I believe the text says, "Most of the Inquisition's elves and many elven servants across Thedas".  The implication seems to be that Solas has recruited them as his army somehow, though for purposes unknown.

[panamakira]

Although I'm very invested in Solas as a character, I agree with most people's comments here. We don't know what the Elvhen civilization was like. It sounds too much like the old Tevinter Imperium to be honest with the slavery culture and the massive egos. I doubt bringing it back will save the world for whatever million issue it has now. Also it's part of the course of history that empires fall and new civilizations are replaced. It has been proven time and time again in history. It's true that the current situation in Thedas is the least favorable for Elves and mages but Solas hasn't realized that not everybody will welcome the change. 

 

I think at this point he's too confused. He hasn't been awake for long and besides the Inquisitor he sees very few people that have shown him this world is worth saving. I have a feeling that there is something that is giving him a sense of haste. Is it that there aren't many Archdemons left? Not sure but he seems to think we don't have much time. A few years at most.

 

It sound like Solas is romanticizing his old town and as much as I love him, I bet you going to Tevinter will uncover more information for us. I just hope we have the chance to travel to ancient Arlathan or something. It's hard to tell what is it he misses so much. He doesn't consider the current Elves his people. Is he planning on waking everyone from Uthenera? 

[panamakira]

Demons like Nightmare are one part of the problem. The others would be Solas "colleagues". The last time he couldn't kill them, so he created the veil. Now his plan is... removing the veil?

 

Does he even have a plan? Besides "I'm sure this time everything will turn out for the best!"?

So he breaks down the veil, kills millions in the ensuring chaos, the rest gets eaten by demons and his god buddies, he can't stop them (again) and then what?

Third time's a charm?

Well when you ask him about removing the one thing (the Veil) keeping the really nasty things away (demons and Elvhen with big egos), he does say he has a plan but too bad for us, he'll maybe elaborate on DA4 lol.

[TobiTobsen]

Well when you ask him about removing the one thing (the Veil) keeping the really nasty things away (demons and Elvhen with big egos), he does say he has a plan but too bad for us, he'll maybe elaborate on DA4 lol.

 

Solas: "I would tell you my plan... but... you gotta buy this "The plan explained!" DLC first!"

 

Inquisitor:

 

*audience laugh track*

 

[Poledo]

Solas: "I would tell you my plan... but... you gotta buy this "The plan explained!" DLC first!"

 

Inquisitor:

 

*audience laugh track*

 

 

 

I would actually be happy for this. Instead we get to wait a couple years for them to make the next game!

[panamakira]

Dorian perfects Alexius' work and we travel back in time to see wtf went wrong?

That would be awesome but since we already did some time traveling I wonder if they'll do it again. Maybe through the Fade?

[panamakira]

Solas: "I would tell you my plan... but... you gotta buy this "The plan explained!" DLC first!"

 

Inquisitor:

 

*audience laugh track*

 

lol yep pretty much though we have to wait longer. I wish this was explained with a DLC so we could play as the Inquisitor. As it is Solas might be explaining this to some scrub in DA4.

[Mr.House]

Please no time traveling.....

[Rekkampum]

To the OP, perhaps it isn't bad if you view the deaths of millions of non-elvhen who are like "tranquil" to you as some sort of a euthanasia.