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[Ryzaki]

 

Every tiem.

 

If BW didn't insist on dragging back old allies and enemies people wouldn't be asking for the old PC in such numbers. BW doesn't need to kill the protag. They just need to stop freaking dragging each game's plot into the damn next.

[midnight tea]

That comes with the assumption that every Inquisitor romanced Solas, which isn't true. 

 

No - but it's canon in every world-state that Solas joins Inquisition and is directly influenced by how Inquisitor leads and what kind of relationship they have. 

[AllThatJazz]

That comes with the assumption that every Inquisitor romanced Solas, which isn't true. We also aren't up to speed on how Bioware is going to handle the plot, let alone the conflict and what Solas even plans on doing yet. Don't misunderstand me; I think it's obvious and incumbent on the writers to follow through with the premise they've set up, because unlike the HoF and Hawke, the Inquisitor's story clearly hasn't been resolved per the events of Trespasser. So I think they'll still have a fairly influential role, but as a person who is also disabled - severe Meniere's Disease and Temporal Lobe Epilepsy - I've had live with the fact that many writers still use disabilities as plot devices, and as the sentiments of some of the commenters here have shown, that one setback is almost always accepted as a reflection on the person without question, lore be damned. That seems to be the case here with the Inquisitor, until they confirm otherwise. I'd like to see a disabled protagonist, but I don't think that's in their interest as far as this plot is concerned.

Nope, it comes with the assumption that every Inquisitor had a relationship with Solas. Which they did, just not necessarily a romantic one. For some, he's an enemy to be stopped at all costs. For others, a friend/lover to be saved from himself. There's a personal stake in the Solas plotline for all Inquisitors - at the very least Solas is someone who spent the whole of DAI lying by omission, spying on the Inquisition, and recruiting for his cause right under the Inquisitor's nose! There's a betrayal there, it definitely isn't only a girlfriend thing, that just adds an extra dimension of tragedy. There was no opportunity for an Inquisitor to say 'meh, do whatever, I don't care' to Solas. 

 

On the disability issue - I think that one thing Bioware is typically very good at, is pushing the envelope in terms of giving representation to people who typically lack it (or lack it in a meaningful way) in games. DA is a universe that has strong characters drawn from the female, PoC and LGBT communities in a genre (fantasy) and an industry (gaming) that has a tendency to marginalise or trivialise anyone who isn't a straight white bloke. Bioware has shown that it tries to do better in this regard, and may - just may - decide to do that here too. Of course they might not, and indeed won't if it doesn't fit the story they're trying to tell. But I do think the idea of the Inquisitor being a PC - even a secondary one - shouldn't be discounted altogether  

[Super Drone]

Meh. the Inquisitor failed to impress me. I want a new character, new companions, and new LIs. I don't want a game that is obviously designed around a returning Lavellan with a handful of pity content for non-Lavellan PCs.

[Rekkampum]

Nope, it comes with the assumption that every Inquisitor had a relationship with Solas. Which they did, just not necessarily a romantic one. For some, he's an enemy to be stopped at all costs. For others, a friend/lover to be saved from himself. There's a personal stake in the Solas plotline for all Inquisitors - at the very least Solas is someone who spent the whole of DAI lying by omission, spying on the Inquisition, and recruiting for his cause right under the Inquisitor's nose! There's a betrayal there, it definitely isn't only a girlfriend thing, that just adds an extra dimension of tragedy. There was no opportunity for an Inquisitor to say 'meh, do whatever, I don't care' to Solas. 

 

On the disability issue - I think that one thing Bioware is typically very good at, is pushing the envelope in terms of giving representation to people who typically lack it (or lack it in a meaningful way) in games. DA is a universe that has strong characters drawn from the female, PoC and LGBT communities in a genre (fantasy) and an industry (gaming) that has a tendency to marginalise or trivialise anyone who isn't a straight white bloke. Bioware has shown that it tries to do better in this regard, and may - just may - decide to do that here too. Of course they might not, and indeed won't if it doesn't fit the story they're trying to tell. But I do think the idea of the Inquisitor being a PC - even a secondary one - shouldn't be discounted altogether

 

"Nope, it comes with the assumption that every Inquisitor had a relationship with Solas."

 

I was clearly responding to the joke about someone reading the Inquisitor's love letter to Solas. Not sure why anyone is picking that apart.

 

"Bioware has shown that it tries to do better in this regard, and may - just may - decide to do that here too."

In some cases re: diverse portrayals yes, as with Joker and Thane, and in some cases, no, with their caricature of an autistic man in Overlord or Serendipity in DA II. But they redeemed themselves on the latter with Krem. As I've said, I'd like to see them take risks, but I'm not holding my breath until they give us something substantial.

[AllThatJazz]

"Nope, it comes with the assumption that every Inquisitor had a relationship with Solas."

 

I was clearly responding to the joke about someone reading the Inquisitor's love letter to Solas. Not sure why anyone is picking that apart.

 

"Bioware has shown that it tries to do better in this regard, and may - just may - decide to do that here too."

In some cases re: diverse portrayals yes, as with Joker and Thane, and in some cases, no, with their caricature of an autistic man in Overlord or Serendipity in DA II. But they redeemed themselves on the latter with Krem. As I've said, I'd like to see them take risks, but I'm not holding my breath until they give us something substantial.

Apologies, I didn't see the joke, I just responded at face-value to what you wrote. 

 

Agreed, their portrayals haven't always been spot-on, though they're getting better (there's also Maevaris in the graphic novels, who is fantastic), and are still one of the relatively few companies that tries at all.

 

Edit: And yeah, you're absolutely right not to expect anything that might not happen - but at the same time (on the offchance that devs lurk threads like this) I do want to lend my support to the idea

[robertthebard]

Trespasser seems to have given out conflicting messages. I played the ending until i saw them all, and the Inquisitor doesn't always mention stopping adventuring, As well as that, they are the one actively searching for Solas as a friend or enemy. The "finding people he doesn't know" is most likely talking about the new PC, but not 100% until Bioware states that was it's purpose. They should've resolved his story with the Inquisitor, because then there wouldn't have been an issue.
 
I find that "it's about Thedas" argument to be quite weak. It's not like having a protag for more than one game makes it about them and not the world, in fact it can give a bigger opportunity to develop lore. It's definitely not something they should hide behind as to why they don't have returning PC. "It's suited the story to have it happen like this" is better than "it's about Thedas" (in my opinion, anyway)

What part of "We'll have to find people he doesn't know" is all that conflicting? All it did was fire up the "Wishful Thinking" machine, yet again.

[Rekkampum]

Apologies, I didn't see the joke, I just responded at face-value to what you wrote. 

 

Agreed, their portrayals haven't always been spot-on, though they're getting better (there's also Maevaris in the graphic novels, who is fantastic), and are still one of the relatively few companies that tries at all.

 

Edit: And yeah, you're absolutely right not to expect anything that might not happen - but at the same time (on the offchance that devs lurk threads like this) I do want to lend my support to the idea

 

I honestly would relish it. It'd be pretty interesting to put that crossbow I have to good use.

[Smudjygirl]

What part of "We'll have to find people he doesn't know" is all that conflicting? All it did was fire up the "Wishful Thinking" machine, yet again.

 

Every other part of what the Inquisitor says in the DLC about being the one to stop him? The fact tis that the Inquisitor and Solas are pretty much a story set. They could be talking about new companions, not a PC. I've no doubt they will find some nonsensical way to bring in a new PC just "because", and that bothers me (and quite a few others). They made the conflict too personal when the Inquisitor and Solas talk, so now people want to finish what they started as the Inquisitor.

[thats1evildude]

 

 

The funny thing is, they showed up as ghosts.

[robertthebard]

Every other part of what the Inquisitor says in the DLC about being the one to stop him? The fact tis that the Inquisitor and Solas are pretty much a story set. They could be talking about new companions, not a PC. I've no doubt they will find some nonsensical way to bring in a new PC just "because", and that bothers me (and quite a few others). They made the conflict too personal when the Inquisitor and Solas talk, so now people want to finish what they started as the Inquisitor.

Except that this isn't necessarily true? My Inquisitor and Solas weren't close at all. In fact, I never even got the "Wake up" cutscene in the Fade. So in your world state, they're a story set. In my world state, they knew who each other were, and the conversation at the end of Tresspasser was rather abbreviated. I won't have to be the Inquisitor to be involved with stopping him, or failing to stop him. The Inquisitor can be that shady character in the tavern that sends your character out on missions trope guy, and still accomplish the same thing.

[Smudjygirl]

Except that this isn't necessarily true? My Inquisitor and Solas weren't close at all. In fact, I never even got the "Wake up" cutscene in the Fade. So in your world state, they're a story set. In my world state, they knew who each other were, and the conversation at the end of Tresspasser was rather abbreviated. I won't have to be the Inquisitor to be involved with stopping him, or failing to stop him. The Inquisitor can be that shady character in the tavern that sends your character out on missions trope guy, and still accomplish the same thing.

 

I doubt keep with have an "Ignored him in my playthrough" option. Relationships with companions is a fairly big aspect of these games. But even still, you got the "we will go after Solas" sort of dialogue, right? That's what people are looking at. They have a plan set in motion, and people want to see that plan come info fruition as the one who wants to help or kill him.

 

For you, i get that you wouldn't care and it would be effectively the same with a new PC, but lots of us got to know Solas. Most players have a connection to him through the Inquisitor, and a deep one at that. To have that story pushed off onto someone else because the story is about the "world" would be silly. I mean, lets face it, would anyone care about Thedas if not for the characters?

 

That being said, i did see and interview with Laidlaw from Pax prime (i think) which reiterated that "chapter, new character, world protagonist" sort of thing. While i would argue Solas keeps the Inquisitor's chapter alive, i have a horrible feeling they will forsake a strong story for a new protagonist. (That sounds way more cruel than i mean it to, i'm sure it will work regardless, but with much less of aneffect)

[midnight tea]

Except that this isn't necessarily true? My Inquisitor and Solas weren't close at all. In fact, I never even got the "Wake up" cutscene in the Fade. So in your world state, they're a story set. In my world state, they knew who each other were, and the conversation at the end of Tresspasser was rather abbreviated. I won't have to be the Inquisitor to be involved with stopping him, or failing to stop him. The Inquisitor can be that shady character in the tavern that sends your character out on missions trope guy, and still accomplish the same thing.

 

Yet they've had a working relationship - they knew each other, they worked together to save the world and it appears that whatever Inquisitor did or did not, he was carefully observed and judged by Solas.

 

This is also exactly why only friends/lovers get an option to redeem him, or why he tells them that 'they showed him that he was wrong', or that there's value to Thedas how it is. Everyone else is on rivalry/nemesis path (disliked or mehQuisitors openly declare in the very last scene that "they will stop Solas by whatever means necessary". How's that not a declaration of direct involvement?).

 

That your Quizzy failed to impress him enough for him to consider either abandoning or altering his plans... well, only you are responsible for it.

[daveliam]

 

This is the reason why I will always choose for Hawke to stay in the Fade.  Even though I'm confident that the writers will thwart my efforts.

[robertthebard]

Yet they've had a working relationship - they knew each other, they worked together to save the world and it appears that whatever Inquisitor did or did not, he was carefully observed and judged by Solas.
 
This is also exactly why only friends/lovers get an option to redeem him, or why he tells them that 'they showed him that he was wrong', or that there's value to Thedas how it is. Everyone else is on rivalry/nemesis path (disliked or mehQuisitors openly declare in the very last scene that "they will stop Solas by whatever means necessary". How's that not a declaration of direct involvement?).
 
That your Quizzy failed to impress him enough for him to consider either abandoning or altering his plans... well, only you are responsible for it.

I doubt keep with have an "Ignored him in my playthrough" option. Relationships with companions is a fairly big aspect of these games. But even still, you got the "we will go after Solas" sort of dialogue, right? That's what people are looking at. They have a plan set in motion, and people want to see that plan come info fruition as the one who wants to help or kill him.
 
For you, i get that you wouldn't care and it would be effectively the same with a new PC, but lots of us got to know Solas. Most players have a connection to him through the Inquisitor, and a deep one at that. To have that story pushed off onto someone else because the story is about the "world" would be silly. I mean, lets face it, would anyone care about Thedas if not for the characters?
 
That being said, i did see and interview with Laidlaw from Pax prime (i think) which reiterated that "chapter, new character, world protagonist" sort of thing. While i would argue Solas keeps the Inquisitor's chapter alive, i have a horrible feeling they will forsake a strong story for a new protagonist. (That sounds way more cruel than i mean it to, i'm sure it will work regardless, but with much less of aneffect)

Since both of these posts totally ignore the post they quoted to make them, let me reiterate one point here: We do not have to be actively playing as the Inquisitor for the Inquisitor to be involved. We don't even have to have any screen time to be involved. All this wishful thinking won't change the fact that whether you were friends or not, or romanced him or not, the Inquisitor doesn't have to be involved to solve the problem, assuming the problem can even be solved...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I hope they go with the dual protagonist method for this. It allows the Solas arc to be completed as the Inquisitor, and the new protagonist could be involved in the Tevinter-Qun War thing and/or reformation of Tevinter. The stories could tie in together and/or influence each other. And that way people who want a new PC get that, people who want to continue playing as the Inquisitor get that. 

 

What I hope they don't do is have the Inquisitor just be an NPC like Hawke was in DAI. With how much they ruined many people's Hawkes, I don't have faith in them handling the Inquisitor well. 

[Flurdt Vash]

Sandal Protagonist, dream game lol 

[Erstus]

I don't want an Inquisitor Shepard. No, no. I want a new protagonist

[midnight tea]

Since both of these posts totally ignore the post they quoted to make them, let me reiterate one point here: We do not have to be actively playing as the Inquisitor for the Inquisitor to be involved. We don't even have to have any screen time to be involved. All this wishful thinking won't change the fact that whether you were friends or not, or romanced him or not, the Inquisitor doesn't have to be involved to solve the problem, assuming the problem can even be solved...

 

We have to for the story to make sense - the hero of DAI is too personally and emotionally invested in stopping Solas.

 

The HERO. Not even necessarily the player.

 

This is also the reason why we saw Hawke (and also Varric) in DAI - they feel personally responsible for releasing Corypheus. An they only fought him; they didn't work with him for years and formed friendship, or fell in love with or felt betrayed that through all these years the Dread Wolf has been using Inquisitor to fix his mistake and further his agenda.

 

If they went out of their way to include Hawke/Varric for being involved with Corypheus - and merely as someone who arguably helped Cory escape from his prison - you think they won't go even farther with Inquisitor and his personal involvement (as well as knowledge of plans) with Solas?

 

Taking everything into consideration, I'd say that Inquisitor will definitely be involved, more so than Hawke was in DAI.

[Mr.House]

 

Every tiem.

Then they should stop dragging plot lines, characters and even antagonist that connect to old PCs. For all this talk about the games being about the Thedas, a number of characters always keep showing up in every game. Leliana and Cullen have showed up in every single game for example or making Coryfish the villain when it was Hawke who released them. The list goes on.

[robertthebard]

Then they should stop dragging plot lines, characters and even antagonist that connect to old PCs. For all this talk about the games being about the Thedas, a number of characters always keep showing up in every game. Leliana and Cullen have showed up in every single game for example or making Coryfish the villain when it was Hawke who released them. The list goes on.

For all we know, Cory would have been dealt with in DA II if, ironically enough, it hadn't drawn so much hate on these boards. Maybe, maybe not, I don't have any insight into what was on the table for the Exalted March thing.

We have to for the story to make sense - the hero of DAI is too personally and emotionally invested in stopping Solas.
 
The HERO. Not even necessarily the player.
 
This is also the reason why we saw Hawke (and also Varric) in DAI - they feel personally responsible for releasing Corypheus. An they only fought him; they didn't work with him for years and formed friendship, or fell in love with or felt betrayed that through all these years the Dread Wolf has been using Inquisitor to fix his mistake and further his agenda.
 
If they went out of their way to include Hawke/Varric for being involved with Corypheus - and merely as someone who arguably helped Cory escape from his prison - you think they won't go even farther with Inquisitor and his personal involvement (as well as knowledge of plans) with Solas?
 
Taking everything into consideration, I'd say that Inquisitor will definitely be involved, more so than Hawke was in DAI.

We absolutely do not have to be involved. In fact, the Solas arc doesn't even have to take place in the next game, assuming there is one, nor does it have to take place in a "reasonable" amount of time. They could jump that arc a hundred years w/out breaking Solas' character at all. Given that they chose to allow the Inquisitor to live, that's what I'd rather they did, or at least far enough into the future that we don't have all these "but the Inquisitor has to be the one to do it". Especially given the reference to Legacy, where Hawke absolutely did not deal with Cory, the Inquisitor did. You'll note: Hawke was nowhere to be seen when Cory was dealt with once and for all.

[Enigmatick]

Who says the next game is entirely about stopping Solas? How do we know that's not a franchise endgame.

[Mr.House]

For all we know, Cory would have been dealt with in DA II if, ironically enough, it hadn't drawn so much hate on these boards. Maybe, maybe not, I don't have any insight into what was on the table for the Exalted March thing.

Legacy made it very clear Coryfish was not dead, DA2 also ended with a cliffhanger for which would have been concluded in the expac that was cancelled for DA2.

[ESTAQ99]

The loss of a single arm is not crippling. Some of the original designs for Bull had him with only one arm. You can easily get some sort of attachment that could hold a shield or sword or whatever your character had.

 

It's a good excuse to put them back to a lower level, but makes no sense for forcing your character to give up fighting.

 

 

I hope this won't happen.

 

I'm sure there is a huge number of gamers who will find a one-arm protagonist creepy, lackluster and limiting in term of role playing. I sincerely found the inquisitor to be a very boring and bland protagonist when he/she had both arms and if on top of that I will have to play with a protagonist who has a robocop arm of worse, a weapon attached to his limb, it will make it too weird and distracting (let's leave those choices for more Sci-fi oriented video games).

 

I think the requests from some people to have the inquisitor as a protagonist for a future DA game come more from the fact that they liked the DLC and they would have welcomed a closure to the story between Quizy/Baldy. There are so much more in the DA world than that story and a new protagonist could give the devs the chances to create a more fleshed out protagonist/s with a more interesting background, personality and story. 

[midnight tea]

We absolutely do not have to be involved. In fact, the Solas arc doesn't even have to take place in the next game, assuming there is one, nor does it have to take place in a "reasonable" amount of time. They could jump that arc a hundred years w/out breaking Solas' character at all. Given that they chose to allow the Inquisitor to live, that's what I'd rather they did, or at least far enough into the future that we don't have all these "but the Inquisitor has to be the one to do it". 

 

*sigh* Using the word ABSOLUTELY to try and reinforce your point does little to undermine the fact that DAI - and Trespasser especially - has been structured in a way that suggests that suggest that we indeed do. There are hints all over the place - especially at the very end (encounter with Solas, epilogue cards and post-epilogue 'stinger'). 

 

Why would they get out of their way to suggest that Inquisition and Inquisitor will be directly involved if they don't intend to go in that direction? It makes no sense whatsoever, in any capacity: the fact is further emphasized by the fact that pretty much  EVERYONE expected Trespasser to be a way to say definite "goodbye'" for Inquisitor, perhaps even final, yet we got something surprisingly different.

 

Then there's the fact that Solas himself says that time runs short. He emphasizes that him and Inquisitor unraveling the Qunari plot will give the South "a few years of relative peace". He then tells approved Inquisitor that drawing them to him gave them a chance to save Inquisitors.... for now. To disliked he says - "live well, while time remains". 

 

The time jump also seems unlikely, given everything we know about the plot or plot points, including those not directly tied with Inquisitor.

 

What about Morrigan - Flemeth's supposed inheritor? For all we know she isn't immortal and Kieran doesn't exist in all world states. What about Flemeth calling Inquisitor a herald of new age or all the hint that the new age of some sort indeed is coming soon, hinted since DAO? What about setting up Dorian as having an important role in Tevinter, to which Inquisition will be rather definitely going?

 

What about the fact that post-epilogue scene is pretty obviously saying that both Inquisitor and whatever's left of Inquisition (plus Leliana, Cassandra and Harding) will be actively involved?

 

 

Especially given the reference to Legacy, where Hawke absolutely did not deal with Cory, the Inquisitor did. You'll note: Hawke was nowhere to be seen when Cory was dealt with once and for all.

 

 

Yet Hawke was indeed intimately involved with the DAI plot. They provide crucial information that pushes the crit path further and eventually either sacrifice themselves to help Inquisitor escape the Fade (HENCE having their input in dealing with Corypheus once and for all) or being involved in dealings in Weisshaupt that is being established to be a plot point sometime in the future.

 

Them not being there when Cory was defeated doesn't change the fact that Hawke was indeed crucial to the plot of DAI, you'll note.

 

And given how much more intimately involved in Solas plot Inky is, the logical conclusion to all this is rather obvious - we're not making any huge time jumps and we're going to see Inquisitor later in some sort of important role that pushes the bulk of the main plot further.