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[ESTAQ99]

Nope, it comes with the assumption that every Inquisitor had a relationship with Solas. Which they did, just not necessarily a romantic one. For some, he's an enemy to be stopped at all costs. For others, a friend/lover to be saved from himself. There's a personal stake in the Solas plotline for all Inquisitors - at the very least Solas is someone who spent the whole of DAI lying by omission, spying on the Inquisition, and recruiting for his cause right under the Inquisitor's nose! There's a betrayal there, it definitely isn't only a girlfriend thing, that just adds an extra dimension of tragedy. There was no opportunity for an Inquisitor to say 'meh, do whatever, I don't care' to Solas. 

 

On the disability issue - I think that one thing Bioware is typically very good at, is pushing the envelope in terms of giving representation to people who typically lack it (or lack it in a meaningful way) in games. DA is a universe that has strong characters drawn from the female, PoC and LGBT communities in a genre (fantasy) and an industry (gaming) that has a tendency to marginalise or trivialise anyone who isn't a straight white bloke. Bioware has shown that it tries to do better in this regard, and may - just may - decide to do that here too. Of course they might not, and indeed won't if it doesn't fit the story they're trying to tell. But I do think the idea of the Inquisitor being a PC - even a secondary one - shouldn't be discounted altogether

 

 

I think you are wrong assuming that ,for everybody, Solas was a very personal thing re the inquisitor. For many (me included), Solas is just someone who needs to be stopped/killed and it doesn't matter if that is carried out by Snow White or one of the muppets in a next DA game. If we were following your logic, we should still be playing as Hawke because the whole Coryfish thing was a million times more related to DA2 protagonist than this new guy with a green hand. Same goes for the conflict between mages and templars.

 

One thing is Bioware adding a broad representation of diverse type of characters for inclusiveness purposes in their games and va ery different thing is Bioware forcing all gamers to play as a disabled protagonist just for the sake to be inclusive. That will backfire them big time. 

[midnight tea]

Who says the next game is entirely about stopping Solas? How do we know that's not a franchise endgame.

 

Because there appear to be other, likely even bigger threats than Dread Wolf and his dreams of restoring elves: the ever-present threat of another, or perhaps even ultimate Blight, the waking Evanuris and "old dreams" Solas tried to save the world from when he created the Veil in the first place - and who even knows what other ancient or new threats that still exist (we only saw two ancient Tevinter magisters so far) and whatever is going to happen with Black/Golden city.

 

And then there's the fact that we're given the option to change his mind - and it's an option given to Inquisitor. I don't think it makes much sense to push that arc to the background or prolong it any further than it should be, considering that Solas himself hints that the day of him planning to restore the world of elves comes sooner, rather than later.

 

I think that the franchise endgame will be either Inquisitor (or his/her succesor) and/or new protagonist trying to save the world from annihilation by much bigger threat - and depending how the Dread Wolf issue would be resolved, Solas will be either destroyed or redeemed, which will be important for how the final outcome will be.

[ESTAQ99]

Because there appear to be other, likely even bigger threats than Dread Wolf and his dreams of restoring elves: the ever-present threat of another, or perhaps even ultimate Blight, the waking Evanuris and "old dreams" Solas tried to save the world from when he created the Veil in the first place - and who even knows what other ancient or new threats that still exist (we only saw two ancient Tevinter magisters so far) and whatever is going to happen with Black/Golden city.

 

And then there's the fact that we're given the option to change his mind - and it's an option given to Inquisitor. I don't think it makes much sense to push that arc to the background or prolong it any further than it should be, considering that Solas himself hints that the day of him planning to restore the world of elves comes sooner, rather than later.

 

I think that the franchise endgame will be either Inquisitor (or his/her succesor) and/or new protagonist trying to save the world from annihilation by much bigger threat - and depending how the Dread Wolf issue would be resolved, Solas will be either destroyed or redeemed, which will be important for how the final outcome will be.

 

 

Well, well, well. What have we here?

 

It seems you are quite obsessed with the quizy/solas story arc. 

[Super Drone]

The more people spin this idea of the next game being primarily about Solas, the more I fear that it will...

[Mr.House]

I hope this won't happen.

 

I'm sure there is a huge number of gamers who will find a one-arm protagonist creepy, lackluster and limiting in term of role playing. I sincerely found the inquisitor to be a very boring and bland protagonist when he/she had both arms and if on top of that I will have to play with a protagonist who has a robocop arm of worse, a weapon attached to his limb, it will make it too weird and distracting (let's leave those choices for more Sci-fi oriented video games).

 

I think the requests from some people to have the inquisitor as a protagonist for a future DA game come more from the fact that they liked the DLC and they would have welcomed a closure to the story between Quizy/Baldy. There are so much more in the DA world than that story and a new protagonist could give the devs the chances to create a more fleshed out protagonist/s with a more interesting background, personality and story. 

Explain how a crossbow arm or a fake arm does not fit DA?

[midnight tea]

I think you are wrong assuming that ,for everybody, Solas was a very personal thing re the inquisitor. For many (me included), Solas is just someone who needs to be stopped/killed and it doesn't matter if that is carried out by Snow White or one of the muppets in a next DA game.

 

Seems to me that "personal" for you means "positive". Well no - it may even be a matter of personal vendetta against Solas by Inquisitor who hates him.

 

 

If we were following your logic, we should still be playing as Hawke because the whole Coryfish thing was a million times more related to DA2 protagonist than this new guy with a green hand. Same goes for the conflict between mages and templars.

 

...You do know that initially it was Hawke who was supposed to be given the role of Inquisitor, right?

 

And I don't just mean in terms of in-game story (Cassandra interrogated Varric in order to find Hawke and offer him the very position), but what was hinted by devs, some plot points or game files people dug up.

 

DAII was rushed and not as well received, hence there was a change of plans. So given that they've already considered re-using protagonist in another game years before (and they DID, in some capacity, as they've given Hawke a pretty crucial role) and that DAI was both a financial and critical success, means that the possibility of Inquisitor playing a large role in future game is definitely not something Bioware is opposed to.

 

 

 

One thing is Bioware adding a broad representation of diverse type of characters for inclusiveness purposes in their games and va ery different thing is Bioware forcing all gamers to play as a disabled protagonist just for the sake to be inclusive. That will backfire them big time. 

 

That's just silly - it's like saying that "forcing" gamers to play a freak with green glowing hand or leading Inquisition (yes, I've actually seen people complaining that they were "forced" to play the lead of organization or that it's named Inquisition) will backfire big time. 

 

It didn't.

 

Besides - I've seen more people being excited with the prospect of super-cool artificial arms (making their 'magical hand' perhaps even better than one bearing the Anchor) rather than those twisting their nose at the idea of playing an invalid.

[ESTAQ99]

Explain how a crossbow arm or a fake arm does not fit DA?

 

 

No.

[Domiel Angelus]

No.

 

Because you can't or because you think it shouldn't occur? It already has if you said yes to Sera. 

 

Also, renaming my Inquisitor to Guts forever......

 

[robertthebard]

*sigh* Using the word ABSOLUTELY to try and reinforce your point does little to undermine the fact that DAI - and Trespasser especially - has been structured in a way that suggests that suggest that we indeed do. There are hints all over the place - especially at the very end (encounter with Solas, epilogue cards and post-epilogue 'stinger'). 
 
Why would they get out of their way to suggest that Inquisition and Inquisitor will be directly involved if they don't intend to go in that direction? It makes no sense whatsoever, in any capacity: the fact is further emphasized by the fact that pretty much  EVERYONE expected Trespasser to be a way to say definite "goodbye'" for Inquisitor, perhaps even final, yet we got something surprisingly different.
 
Then there's the fact that Solas himself says that time runs short. He emphasizes that him and Inquisitor unraveling the Qunari plot will give the South "a few years of relative peace". He then tells approved Inquisitor that drawing them to him gave them a chance to save Inquisitors.... for now. To disliked he says - "live well, while time remains". 
 
The time jump also seems unlikely, given everything we know about the plot or plot points, including those not directly tied with Inquisitor.
 
What about Morrigan - Flemeth's supposed inheritor? For all we know she isn't immortal and Kieran doesn't exist in all world states. What about Flemeth calling Inquisitor a herald of new age or all the hint that the new age of some sort indeed is coming soon, hinted since DAO? What about setting up Dorian as having an important role in Tevinter, to which Inquisition will be rather definitely going?
 
What about the fact that post-epilogue scene is pretty obviously saying that both Inquisitor and whatever's left of Inquisition (plus Leliana, Cassandra and Harding) will be actively involved?
 
 
 
Yet Hawke was indeed intimately involved with the DAI plot. They provide crucial information that pushes the crit path further and eventually either sacrifice themselves to help Inquisitor escape the Fade (HENCE having their input in dealing with Corypheus once and for all) or being involved in dealings in Weisshaupt that is being established to be a plot point sometime in the future.
 
Them not being there when Cory was defeated doesn't change the fact that Hawke was indeed crucial to the plot of DAI, you'll note.
 
And given how much more intimately involved in Solas plot Inky is, the logical conclusion to all this is rather obvious - we're not making any huge time jumps and we're going to see Inquisitor later in some sort of important role that pushes the bulk of the main plot further.

You know, I said exactly this earlier: We can be the "shady guy in the tavern that gives you quests" trope. They never have to see our face, they never have to even grant us any real screen time. Giving the new Protag leads to chase is being involved, and, given the crystal they made sure we knew all about that Dorian has, that may well be all we get; the Charlie's Angels treatment.

[Mr.House]

No.

Oh stop being qunari.

[midnight tea]

Well, well, well. What have we here?

 

It seems you are quite obsessed with the quizy/solas story arc. 

 

 

Wow - an unnecessary non-sequitur and ad hominem, all rolled into one.

 

Classy.

 

If you want me to respond to you further than this comment, I suggest you try making an actual argument against my points, rather than trying to ridicule and dismiss me with silly accusations of 'obsession'. That's just immature.

 

There's nothing "obsessive" in me calmly and reasonably trying to predict what we may be expecting in the future, based on what we know about the story, or how the story of both DAI and Trespasser seems to be set up.

 

Note that I'm not necessarily pushing or arguing for story of DA to be exclusively about Quizzy/Solas or anything of the sort - I'm simply pointing out that based on everything we've seen, the relationship (be it positive or negative) and Inquisitor's role is important to the story and likely will not be relegated to a footnote or off-hand remark somewhere further in the franchise.

[robertthebard]

Wow - an unnecessary non-sequitur and ad hominem, all rolled into one.
 
Classy.
 
If you want me to respond to you further than this comment, I suggest you try actually making an actual argument against my points, rather than trying to ridicule and dismiss me with accusations of 'obsession'. That's just immature.
 
There's nothing "obsessive" in me calmly trying to predict what we may be expecting in the future, based on what we know about the story, or how the story of both DAI and Trespasser seems to be set up.
 
Note that I'm not necessarily pushing or arguing for story of DA to be exclusively about Quizzy/Solas or anything of the sort - I'm simply pointing out that based on everything we've seen, the relationship (be it positive or negative) and Inquisitor's role is important to the story and likely will not be relegated to a footnote or off-hand remark somewhere further in the franchise.

Just out of curiosity, what evidence was there that Anora was married to a surviving HoF? Did they show up in Redcliffe together? That was a "pretty important" aspect of the end of Origins, wasn't it?

[ESTAQ99]

Oh stop being qunari.

 

I am no more equipped to explain than you are to understand.

 

 

 

LOL

[Heimdall]

Explain how a crossbow arm or a fake arm does not fit DA?

Well, the crossbow arm struck me as a joke for one.  It certainly doesn't make up for lacking a fully functional arm in a fight.  And there's no even remote precedent whatsoever for the lyrium-magic-prosthetic a lot of players are assuming Dagna could cook up.

[Mr.House]

Well, the crossbow arm struck me as a joke for one.  It certainly doesn't make up for lacking a fully functional arm in a fight.  And there's no even remote precedent whatsoever for the lyrium-magic-prosthetic a lot of players are assuming Dagna could cook up.

If we can make stuff like the infamous arm that Götz of the Iron Hand used, a series that has magic, lyruim and other stuff can make something better.

[Mr.House]

Because you can't or because you think it shouldn't occur? It already has if you said yes to Sera. 

 

Also, renaming my Inquisitor to Guts forever......

 

Guts and Ash are proof you can have a fantastic lead with a fake arm. So I don't bu the "they are disabled they can not be a protag" excuse.

[Domiel Angelus]

Well, the crossbow arm struck me as a joke for one.  It certainly doesn't make up for lacking a fully functional arm in a fight.  And there's no even remote precedent whatsoever for the lyrium-magic-prosthetic a lot of players are assuming Dagna could cook up.

 

The 'dwarf' creatures in the Descent were more armor than 'man' as it were and I'm certain that we didn't just leave those corpses there considering I picked up parts of them to drop off at the research table.

[midnight tea]

You know, I said exactly this earlier: We can be the "shady guy in the tavern that gives you quests" trope. They never have to see our face, they never have to even grant us any real screen time. Giving the new Protag leads to chase is being involved, and, given the crystal they made sure we knew all about that Dorian has, that may well be all we get; the Charlie's Angels treatment.

 

It could be, true - and I actually think most of the game would be likely new protagonist being sent to complete a chain of important missions.

 

But the "full" Charlie's Angel would IMO diminish the relevance of what was established in the game already. If they're going to go with that route, I'd say that this will mean a lot of squandered potential as well as effort already put in the story. Instead of "tightening" the story up (even for newcomers to the franchise), there would be a lot of things that we'd have to learn anew (at least about the Dread Wolf/Inquisition side of story, because we're yet to find out a lot about Tevinter).

 

Deeper involvement of Inquisitor would help and circumvent that, plus provide an interesting dynamic as well as a different point of view - a tandem of something of a set perspective of experienced veteran hero who knows more of the main antagonist AND the newbie protagonist that may not have the full picture or not necessarily agree with what his/her boss is doing. It could give us an interesting conflict. I mean, what if the main DA4 hero would be able to betray the Inquisitor or perhaps even fight/kill them?

 

In fact, this is what Mike Laidlaw said in Kotaku Asks:

"As to multiple protagonists? Absolutely fascinating and, yes, we have discussed it some. There are a lot of challenges in terms of helping the player identify with more than one created character, but it's a long way from impossible. I thought, for example, that the weaving stories of the GTA V protagonists created a really interesting flow in the story and the gameplay. I agree that betraying yourself would be super cool, so long as "the player" version of you didn't end up feeling like a chump."

[midnight tea]

Just out of curiosity, what evidence was there that Anora was married to a surviving HoF? Did they show up in Redcliffe together? That was a "pretty important" aspect of the end of Origins, wasn't it?

 

.... What's with non-sequiturs today?

 

Also - what makes you think that one of many varying outcomes of DAO's decisions is more important to the story than what's established as overarching canon for every DA world-state in existence?

 

Anora marrying HoF isn't canon per se. Even the existence of OGB - arguably a much more important decision that will be relevant later as well - isn't absolute canon.

 

But Hawke releasing Cory is, which pretty much guaranteed his appearance in DAI is. So is the fact that one of the most important people that ever existed in Thedas - the creator of the Veil - was once Inquisitor's companion, and that Inquisitor's actions influence him (whether positively or negatively). The occurrence of Exalted Council, dismantling Qunari's sneaky eluvian invasion and Inquisitor's declaration that they're going after him smacks of canon as well, since all of those elements exist in every possible play-through.

[Heimdall]

The 'dwarf' creatures in the Descent were more armor than 'man' as it were and I'm certain that we didn't just leave those corpses there considering I picked up parts of them to drop off at the research table.

So the only times something remotely like a prosthetic arm has occurred involved entombing a living creature in a lyrium prison and transforming them entirely (Golems and Sha-Brytol)

There's no straight line between that and a functional prosthetic.

[Erstus]

Cyborg Inquisitor!!

[sunnydxmen]

i doubt it its set up so a new hero will rise. to defeat solas the inquisitior will play a role like hawke did he will help from a far .i doubt the inquisitor could defeat solas as he is anyway.

[sunnydxmen]

i doubt it its set up so a new hero will rise. to defeat solas the inquisitior will play a role like hawke did he will help from a far .i doubt the inquisitor could defeat solas as he is anyway.

[midnight tea]

So the only times something remotely like a prosthetic arm has occurred involved entombing a living creature in a lyrium prison and transforming them entirely (Golems and Sha-Brytol)

There's no straight line between that and a functional prosthetic.

 

We do have Dagna, one who eagerly experiments and seems to create things hardly anyone has seen (including safely creating Red Lyrium runes) as well as Bianca, who is likely one of the best artisans in existence.

 

Then there's Samson's armor - we don't know exactly what it was, but it seemed to have unique properties.

 

There's also ancient elvhen and dwarven technology uncovered in spades by adventuring Inquisitors. There are also possible advanced magical technologies from Tevinter (which went as far as being able to disrupt time - and if we take Dorian to Shattered Library in trespasser there's a HUGE hint suggesting that Dorian may be able to create Tevene version of eluvians).

 

Needless to say, it's far from impossible to create a cool prosthetic in the world of Thedas. Inquisitors would likely not be able to gain a magical, fully functional silver hand (like one created by Voldemort for Pettigrew), but likely can get much more than a simple crossbow arm from Sera's epilogue cards.

[xassantex]

the next hero will be an Elcor.. he'll be more exciting than the current Inquisitor.