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[robertthebard]

.... What's with non-sequiturs today?
 
Also - what makes you think that one of many varying outcomes of DAO's decisions is more important to the story than what's established as overarching canon for every DA world-state in existence?
 
Anora marrying HoF isn't canon per se. Even the existence of OGB - arguably a much more important decision that will be relevant later as well - isn't absolute canon.
 
But Hawke releasing Cory is, which pretty much guaranteed his appearance in DAI. So is the fact that one of the most important people that ever existed in Thedas - the creator of the Veil - was once Inquisitor's companion, and that Inquisitor's actions influence him (whether positively or negatively). The occurrence of Exalted Council, dismantling Qunari's sneaky eluvian invasion and Inquisitor's declaration that they're going after him smacks of canon as well, since all of those elements exist in every possible play-through.

I agree, how dare you try to stomp all over my canon just because you don't want to let go of a protagonist?

I've got bad news for you: All the relevance that Kieran had? It's done. He doesn't even exist in any of my World States. Again, however, what makes you think you should be able to stomp all over that canon? Noticing a pattern here? Allow me to point it out: the only canon that's valid is yours, even BioWare's doesn't count for anything, because it contradicts what you want. Yet you have the nerve to question me about riding with what we've been presented to date?

So in other words, you're making a lot of assumptions about what's coming based entirely on what you want. You know what, that's cool. What's not cool is trying to pretend that it's somehow more relevant than people that are running with what we've actually been presented.

[Heimdall]

We do have Dagna, one who eagerly experiments and seems to create things hardly anyone has seen (including safely creating Red Lyrium runes) as well as Bianca, who is likely one of the best artisans in existence.

Then there's Samson's armor - we don't know exactly what it was, but it seemed to have unique properties.

There's also ancient elvhen and dwarven technology uncovered in spades by adventuring Inquisitors. There are also possible advanced magical technologies from Tevinter (which went as far as being able to disrupt time - and if we take Dorian to Shattered Library in trespasser there's a HUGE hint suggesting that Dorian may be able to create Tevene version of eluvians).

Needless to say, it's far from impossible to create a cool prosthetic in the world of Thedas. Inquisitors will likely not just gain a magical, fully functional silver hand (like one created by Voldemort for Pettigrew), but likely can get much more than a simple crossbow arm from Sera's epilogue cards.

Its not impossible, that's true. The writers can contrive whatever they like if they wanted. However uncovering these barely (If at all) understood techniques and creating something that does something NONE of those things do aren't the same thing. It strains credulity.

My stance has always been that if Bioware wanted to continue the Inquisitor as the protagonist, they wouldn't have taken the arm. The arm, taken together with the quotes "My own adventuring days may be done" and "Then we'll find people he doesn't know" paint a pretty clear picture. It all makes it easier to excuse the Inquisitor no longer being on the front line.

And yes, I know the Inquisitor can say "I'm going to save the world" instead of saying their adventuring days are over, but the two don't contradict. Saving the world doesn't have to be done from the front lines.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

All the lines the Inquisitor said are pretty much just Bioware covering all their bases depending on if they want to continue with the Inquisitor or not. 

 

"My own adventuring days may be done.": The key word is may, as in possibly. If a way to continue is discovered, the Inquisitor may take it or may not. 

"We'll find people he doesn't know.": Could be a protagonist, or just new companions since most of the DAI ones left. 

"I'm going to save the world again.": Could be directly on the front lines, or in the back as a tactician and strategist. 

[Homeboundcrib]

I don't see what's so bad about having the inqusitor back again. There story was left wide open and there was no closure to that one bit. And everyone has a connection to Solas love/hate other wise he mustn't have been in your game. The arm can be fixed some how this is a fantsy game with magic and endless possibilities. To me it just doesn't seem right to send a new hero to deal with Solas and his plans, and I know it's about the world but you can see and meet all new things while playing as the inquisitor.

[midnight tea]

I agree, how dare you try to stomp all over my canon just because you don't want to let go of a protagonist?

 

If they want to create a coherent story, some stomping is inevitable. It's not 'free for all' - there will always be things that will happen, regardless of someone's canon. 

 

Besides - it's not me who doesn't want to "let go of a protagonist". Just like most people, I fully expected Trespasser to be the final hurrah as well as final goodbye for Inquisitor in one way and another... or that their story and impact will be further diminished, so they can relegate him/her to a few mentions and codex entries in DA4. Turns out that very likely isn't the case - this is rather clear: whether a protagonist, a more likely secondary protagonist with some controllability or important NPC, the Inquisitor/Inquisition is likely coming back. I'm convinced of that not because I'm so attached to DAI, but how the story has unfolded.

 

 

 

 

I've got bad news for you: All the relevance that Kieran had? It's done. He doesn't even exist in any of my World States. Again, however, what makes you think you should be able to stomp all over that canon? Noticing a pattern here? Allow me to point it out: the only canon that's valid is yours, even BioWare's doesn't count for anything, because it contradicts what you want. Yet you have the nerve to question me about riding with what we've been presented to date?

 

I got ever badder news: it doesn't matter if someone bought and played Legacy (or DAII at all) - Hawke will always appear in DAI as someone who released Corypheus from his prison. Leliana will always live, even if you decapitate her in the Temple Of Sacred Ashes and becomes Inquisition spymaster (she will also ALWAYS begin as hardened). Dagna will always become a surfacer and be available as the Arcanist, even if you make her stay with her father in DAO.

 

Then there are people lamenting at what they've found in Trespasser - it doesn't seem to matter what we do to mages: College of Enchanters will always emerge and will compete with Vivienne's Circle. Dorian leaves to Tevinter no matter if he said that he stays and no matter of he was romanced by Inquisitor or Bull.

 

So don't try and tell me that there's no overarching canon in Dragon Age that will always be part of every world state (aside from the obvious, of course - like stopping the Blight by Warden or formation of Inquisition). There has to be one, otherwise a consistent, coherent story - even with as many variables as we have - is impossible.

 

Also, the fact that OGB doesn't exist in your world state doesn't mean that it won't play a role later. We already know that OGB states gain a very different outcome in DAI, more information, as well as hints that this particular plot point will likely be expanded later.

 

 

 

So in other words, you're making a lot of assumptions about what's coming based entirely on what you want. You know what, that's cool. What's not cool is trying to pretend that it's somehow more relevant than people that are running with what we've actually been presented.

 

Whether you like it or not, I'm giving you facts. There are no assumptions from my side, at least when it comes to things like existence established Dragon Age canon that will always trump player's canon in some capacity. All of the examples and proof I'm giving you are very easy to verify.

[Heimdall]

All the lines the Inquisitor said are pretty much just Bioware covering all their bases depending on if they want to continue with the Inquisitor or not. 
 
"My own adventuring days may be done.": The key word is may, as in possibly. If a way to continue is discovered, the Inquisitor may take it or may not. 
"We'll find people he doesn't know.": Could be a protagonist, or just new companions since most of the DAI ones left. 
"I'm going to save the world again.": Could be directly on the front lines, or in the back as a tactician and strategist.

Taken individually maybe, but taken altogether with the Inquisitor's lost arm and knowing Bioware's past stance on returning protagonists in Dragon Age, their intent seems pretty clear even if they don't want to commit this early in development.

[RobRam10]

We'll finally play a trueborn Tevinter protagonist.

 

Are you ready to serve Tevinter?

[midnight tea]

Its not impossible, that's true. The writers can contrive whatever they like if they wanted. However uncovering these barely (If at all) understood techniques and creating something that does something NONE of those things do aren't the same thing. It strains credulity.

 

There are limitations in how magic works in Thedas, true, therefore no new things can appear out of nowhere without any explanation, but considering how many things we've already seen created or what feats magic or enchanting can obtain, I don't think the credulity is endangered. We're also about to visit the Tevinter Imperium - the most liberal place, when it comes to varied uses of magic. Heck - they even have flying cows there

 

...And we have blades created by willing spirit bound to enchanted hilt. We have lyrium guns as well as means to travel distances through magical mirrors. Personally I'm not really that worried about credulity in that regard, with so many magical technologies being established and further developed. In any case - I suppose we're going to wait and see what happens...

 

 

My stance has always been that if Bioware wanted to continue the Inquisitor as the protagonist, they wouldn't have taken the arm. The arm, taken together with the quotes "My own adventuring days may be done" and "Then we'll find people he doesn't know" paint a pretty clear picture. It all makes it easier to excuse the Inquisitor no longer being on the front line.

 

Actually, before Trespasser got released I was worried about the exact opposite thing. With super-powerful Anchor - a unique power capable of passing to the Fade and even suggested by Morrigan to be capable of opening the gates to Black City - Inquisitor became too much of a demigod to let them just 'go about their business'. I was fully prepared for the DLC to end with either Inquisitor dying or travelling to parts unknown, which would effectively remove them from Thedas and most of the future story.

 

With Anchor gone however we're back to square one... well, only not exactly square one, isn't it? More like 1.5. Inquisitor leads a still powerful organization, has friends in highest places as well as access to both resources as well as arcane mysteries they discovered along the way, giving them rather clear advantage over almost everyone else.

 

Plus, even without one arm they should still be formidable - especially mages. During the course of Inquisition they've battled hundreds of enemies, killed a dozen dragons, fought the horde of darkspawn and a guardian of the Titan and at least two pretenders to the title of a god. Taking that into account, crippling Inquisitors seems like a no-brainer, especially if they want them to return as a protagonist (even as a limited, secondary PC, which I think is more plausible) - that itself would be a valid reason to explain why they have to re-learn how to be formidable again.

 

And actually - the "my adventuring days may be done" exists only in one option and appears to be said only to placate the public. Highly approved Sera's cards especially have sections suggesting that Inquisitor being "desk bound" or "leading boring life" is a ruse.

 

Also - an angry response (one that disbands, I think) actually ends with "now excuse me, I have a world to save".

 

Then, there's of course, the post-epilogue scene showing that Inquisitor will be very much active in some capacity. Heck, even their LI can appear in that room. I got my mage Trevelyan with Cullen and while their epilogue cards suggested that they did nothing in particular, Cullen returns and stands behind Trevelyan wearing Inquisition's red outfit.

 

 

And yes, I know the Inquisitor can say "I'm going to save the world" instead of saying their adventuring days are over, but the two don't contradict. Saving the world doesn't have to be done from the front lines. 

 

True. But I don't suppose that conflict or attempt to stop Solas will resolve far away from front lines.The implication is that Inquisitor has made it his/her personal mission to stop Solas - be it at any cost or convince him to change his mind, as a foe or a friend. Basically, at the end of Trespasser, instead of their arc ending, they were given a new one, which is actually more powerful and compelling than that of stopping Corypheus.

[Domiel Angelus]

We'll finally play a trueborn Tevinter protagonist.

 

Are you ready to serve Tevinter?

 

No, especially after finding out how much of Tevinter is based on falsehood from the various elves we've met in DA:I. Tevinter characters, with the exception of Dorian, Krem (who isn't a mage) and Felix, have made my gut a bit queezy. 

[actionhero112]

This would kill romances.

 

Dealbreaker. 

[Domiel Angelus]

This would kill romances.

 

Dealbreaker. 

 

What if you managed to do an entire playthrough without a romance option? Doesn't break anything there, and they have severed romances for reasons before in previous titles such as killing Shepard off and bringing him back puts you right back at square one with Kaiden and Ashley for the next installment. 

[BansheeOwnage]

Inquisitor is likely to get a cameo appearance in DA4, but I doubt he will be anything more.

A cameo after setting up one of the best a hero/villain relationships I've ever seen would be more than disappointing.

[BansheeOwnage]

What if you managed to do an entire playthrough without a romance option?

Haha, you say that like it's hard    My two first playthroughs (my canon Inquisitor) are single. It wasn't ideal, but I didn't like the options.

 

This would kill romances.

 

Dealbreaker. 

Not at all. You could either continue your romance from DA:I or take one of the new options that presents itself like ME did.

[actionhero112]

What if you managed to do an entire playthrough without a romance option? Doesn't break anything there, and they have severed romances for reasons before in previous titles such as killing Shepard off and bringing him back puts you right back at square one with Kaiden and Ashley for the next installment. 

 

Oh it would specifically kill romances for me. I romance every playthrough. 

 

I thought the fact that I said dealbreaker specified it was personal. I have no idea what you get out of Dragon Age (your "deal"), but I play it over other RPGs because of the unparalleled character interaction levels. I just couldn't do a non romance playthrough. It would bore me. 

 

Edit: As you can see by my # of game registered, I stopped playing mass effect after 2. Specifically, I couldn't play mass effect 2, because I had already internalized my own shepard's romance. Trying to play the entire game without a romance option in 2 just bored me. I couldn't do it. Quit 1/3 of the way through.

[BansheeOwnage]

All the lines the Inquisitor said are pretty much just Bioware covering all their bases depending on if they want to continue with the Inquisitor or not. 

 

"My own adventuring days may be done.": The key word is may, as in possibly. If a way to continue is discovered, the Inquisitor may take it or may not. 

"We'll find people he doesn't know.": Could be a protagonist, or just new companions since most of the DAI ones left. 

"I'm going to save the world again.": Could be directly on the front lines, or in the back as a tactician and strategist. 

I agree. It seems like it's still up in the air at this point, regardless of whether the people here would like a return or not. I can definitely see them leaving it as open as they could (though I still think it leans towards returning) so they can decide in the coming months/year about what they want to get greenlit by EA.

[Domiel Angelus]

I brought this up in another thread as well, not one I started mind ya but many people are saying that prosthetic arms and such wouldn't match the setting. Look up Götz of the Iron Hand, he had a prosthetic arm in 1504 that let him wield a shield, ride a horse by holding the reins still, use a pen and many other things which means even without magic or crazy techie dwarves its possible. I had pictures up but I don't know if the mods will get annoyed with me for posting them. 

[midnight tea]

I brought this up in another thread as well, not one I started mind ya but many people are saying that prosthetic arms and such wouldn't match the setting. Look up Götz of the Iron Hand, he had a prosthetic arm in 1504 that let him wield a shield, ride a horse by holding the reins still, use a pen and many other things which means even without magic or crazy techie dwarves its possible. I had pictures up but I don't know if the mods will get annoyed with me for posting them. 

 

Prosthetics have been known to exist since ancient Egypt... They were simple, of course, but the world of Thedas ain't set in ancient Egypt and has magic, enchanters and technological geniuses living in it.

 

Also - people should probably see concept arts for Iron Bull...

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

 

They even went as far as 3D modelling - with his features already looking close to what we have in the game... In fact, what we thought was a singular arm cop to protect his left arm in some armors available for him in the game appears to initially been part of his prosthetic!

 

This strongly suggests that for a while they've seriously considered giving Bull an artificial left arm.

 

It suspect not realizing this particular idea might have been a matter of resources - now that they have Frostbite figured out and don't have to worry about limitations of old-gen, I think many new avenues for content development and implementation into the game have likely opened wide... 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Taken individually maybe, but taken altogether with the Inquisitor's lost arm and knowing Bioware's past stance on returning protagonists in Dragon Age, their intent seems pretty clear even if they don't want to commit this early in development.

The lost arm doesn't mean anything since even in our medieval times we had perfectly functioning prosthetic arms, and we don't live in a world with magic. 

The stance is already on weak legs considering the original person they had in mind for Inquisitor was Hawke. 

 

I agree. It seems like it's still up in the air at this point, regardless of whether the people here would like a return or not. I can definitely see them leaving it as open as they could (though I still think it leans towards returning) so they can decide in the coming months/year about what they want to get greenlit by EA.

Well, according to their tweets it sounds like right now they are working on their vertical slice or basic story premise so yeah it hasn't been decided fully one way or the other yet. 

 

We'll finally play a trueborn Tevinter protagonist.

 

Are you ready to serve Tevinter?

Does "serve" mean "tear the system of slavery and blood sacrifice down"?

[Rekkampum]

Its not impossible, that's true. The writers can contrive whatever they like if they wanted. However uncovering these barely (If at all) understood techniques and creating something that does something NONE of those things do aren't the same thing. It strains credulity.

My stance has always been that if Bioware wanted to continue the Inquisitor as the protagonist, they wouldn't have taken the arm. The arm, taken together with the quotes "My own adventuring days may be done" and "Then we'll find people he doesn't know" paint a pretty clear picture. It all makes it easier to excuse the Inquisitor no longer being on the front line.

And yes, I know the Inquisitor can say "I'm going to save the world" instead of saying their adventuring days are over, but the two don't contradict. Saving the world doesn't have to be done from the front lines.

 

"However uncovering these barely (If at all) understood techniques and creating something that does something NONE of those things do aren't the same thing. It strains credulity."

 

The problem with this is that prosthetic arms were available and used as early as the sixteenth century. There's nothing incredulous, in a world with magic and advanced technology for its period, about the Inquisitor acquiring a suitable replacement.

 

EDIT: Trespasser:

Spoiler

I just remembered that you can actually find a prosthetic arm in one of the areas in the Darvaarad.

 

 

There's another one elsewhere, but I can't remember. So yeah, Bioware is totally screwing with our feelings right now.

[robertthebard]

Whether you like it or not, I'm giving you facts. There are no assumptions from my side, at least when it comes to things like existence established Dragon Age canon that will always trump player's canon in some capacity. All of the examples and proof I'm giving you are very easy to verify.

Just addressing this will cover most of your post: Here's the facts, looking through the garden after WE/WH, Morrigan has no son. He never appears in any of my games because I don't do the DR. I did it once for the achievement, but I don't even have the hard drive that that save is on any more, that's how long ago that was. All of my other saves have either a dead HoF, which is my canon, or Alistair or Loghain is dead. It doesn't matter how important Kieran was to you, for some of us, he doesn't exist at all.

So, I'll ask you your question again: How dare you step all over my canon trying to establish yours as the only legitimate one? This is what you're doing when you try to assert that events in your games that don't occur in mine will somehow end up as BioWare's canon. In BioWare's canon, there is no OGB, female DE with US. In fact, that's the default state in the Keep. Do you think that they're going to overwrite their state in favor of yours? Isn't that a bit arrogant of you?

[Smudjygirl]

Just addressing this will cover most of your post: Here's the facts, looking through the garden after WE/WH, Morrigan has no son. He never appears in any of my games because I don't do the DR. I did it once for the achievement, but I don't even have the hard drive that that save is on any more, that's how long ago that was. All of my other saves have either a dead HoF, which is my canon, or Alistair or Loghain is dead. It doesn't matter how important Kieran was to you, for some of us, he doesn't exist at all.

So, I'll ask you your question again: How dare you step all over my canon trying to establish yours as the only legitimate one? This is what you're doing when you try to assert that events in your games that don't occur in mine will somehow end up as BioWare's canon. In BioWare's canon, there is no OGB, female DE with US. In fact, that's the default state in the Keep. Do you think that they're going to overwrite their state in favor of yours? Isn't that a bit arrogant of you?

 

I'm pretty sure that what they were trying to say was personal cannon doesn't matter because the Devs may decide to over ride. Since it's the opposing view, you were saying you never had a relationship with Solas so finishing the story with the Inquisitor isn't necessary. Am i right? Those of us who got to know him, however, have a different cannon and the conflict with Solas has been made very intimate. There for we would prefer to see it resolved with those two. However Bioware has made seemingly important decisions unimportant before, as with the example of the Old God baby. The difference is, really, that is one of many outcomes. Kieran may not even have the Old God soul. So Bioware may not give us our cannon, and have some nobody end Solas' story. Alternatively, they might and we may see the Inquisitor again, regardless of their role. The biggest outcome of Origins is if the Hero lives or dies, and i found an article where Gaider stated that he thought it would be a one off and so did not consider the endings much. That's why we have some chashes. Cullen supposedly went mad and killed some apprentices in Origins, but in 2 we were told it was a rumor.

 

Bottom line is, they will take us where they want to. Player cannon has never had much to do with how they make their game. Many of us will be bitterly disappointed if someone else takes over Solas' story. They may reuse the Inquisitor (as some have pointed out, Hawke was supposed to be a protag 2 times, so it's not like they haven't thought of it) or give us a new one. (Frankly, i wouldn't have cared if they had ended the Inquisitor's story and connection to Solas differently, but they didn't. I can't see a new protag being able to give us satisfaction in that story quite like the Inquisitor could).

[BansheeOwnage]

Prosthetics have been known to exist since ancient Egypt... They were simple, of course, but the world of Thedas ain't set in ancient Egypt and has magic, enchanters and technological geniuses living in it.

 

Also - people should probably see concept arts for Iron Bull...

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

 

They even went as far as 3D modelling - with his features already looking close to what we have in the game... In fact, what we thought was a singular arm cop to protect his left arm in some armors available for him in the game appears to initially been part of his prosthetic!

 

This strongly suggests that for a while they've seriously considered giving Bull an artificial left arm.

 

It suspect not realizing this particular idea might have been a matter of resources - now that they have Frostbite figured out and don't have to worry about limitations of old-gen, I think many new avenues for content development and implementation into the game have likely opened wide... 

I agree with you 100% but wow, The Iron Bull looks scary with that beard And I realized that he had both eyes, so I guess they opted to replace losing his arm with losing an eye, probably still saving Krem. This also makes the Inquisitor more unique. Who knows, maybe that was a factor? This also brings new meaning to the term Hand Canons

 

Anyway, I didn't know that they went so far as to do 3D modelling for it. That definitely means prosthetics are more than plausible. Good catch with his shoulder guard too.

[robertthebard]

I'm pretty sure that what they were trying to say was personal cannon doesn't matter because the Devs may decide to over ride. Since it's the opposing view, you were saying you never had a relationship with Solas so finishing the story with the Inquisitor isn't necessary. Am i right? Those of us who got to know him, however, have a different cannon and the conflict with Solas has been made very intimate. There for we would prefer to see it resolved with those two. However Bioware has made seemingly important decisions unimportant before, as with the example of the Old God baby. The difference is, really, that is one of many outcomes. Kieran may not even have the Old God soul. So Bioware may not give us our cannon, and have some nobody end Solas' story. Alternatively, they might and we may see the Inquisitor again, regardless of their role. The biggest outcome of Origins is if the Hero lives or dies, and i found an article where Gaider stated that he thought it would be a one off and so did not consider the endings much. That's why we have some chashes. Cullen supposedly went mad and killed some apprentices in Origins, but in 2 we were told it was a rumor.

Except nowhere did I say, or imply that finishing the story isn't necessary. I have finished Tresspasser, and will finish it again, with other Inquisitors, one of whom is already in the romance. What I said was, rather clearly, one person's canon does not overwrite what BioWare presented. This sparked the person I quoted to ask me how I dare to trash their canon, when all I'm doing is riding the bus that BioWare provided.
 

Bottom line is, they will take us where they want to. Player cannon has never had much to do with how they make their game. Many of us will be bitterly disappointed if someone else takes over Solas' story. They may reuse the Inquisitor (as some have pointed out, Hawke was supposed to be a protag 2 times, so it's not like they haven't thought of it) or give us a new one. (Frankly, i wouldn't have cared if they had ended the Inquisitor's story and connection to Solas differently, but they didn't. I can't see a new protag being able to give us satisfaction in that story quite like the Inquisitor could).

They will at that, and what they've told us, so many times I've lost count, is that we'll be having a different protagonist every game, because the star of the show is Thedas. This doesn't stop the constant influx of "HoF/Hawke/Inquisitor should be the next protagonist threads, because it doesn't matter how many times BW tells them no, they think they're "just kidding, and we're going to get our old PC back in the next game".

So what happens if the Solas arc doesn't even come up in the next game? Are we going to put the Inquisitor in suspended animation until he rises up to do his thing? He's immortal, 100 years isn't going to be that long compared to how long he's actually been around, so it's possible he could lay low and not do anything until the Inquisitor is dead and buried. So what then? Nobody gets to save the world because the Inquisitor is dead? What's worse, what happens if nobody can stop him from doing what he's planning to do?

[BansheeOwnage]

They may reuse the Inquisitor (as some have pointed out, Hawke was supposed to be a protag 2 times, so it's not like they haven't thought of it) or give us a new one.

To me, it seems like people take Bioware saying "New protagonist every game" too seriously. I don't think that was ever the plan, not definitively, at any rate. Things just happened that made things complicated. Origins was made partly as a one-off and the Hero can die. Alright, new protagonist. Then DA2 happened and I believe they were trying to set up a hero that would be in at least 2 games (DA2 is a good origin story, after all). Then DA2 didn't do nearly as well as they hoped and the Exalted March expansion was cancelled. Plans changed, a lot of that content was moved into Inquisition and they panicked and decided on a new protagonist again.

 

It seems to me like that only happened because things weren't quite going how Bioware wanted them to. But now for the first time, they are. Base-Inquisition ended in a way that the Inquisitor's story could be over in a satisfying way, but left room for more, giving Bioware options. After the game did well critically and financially, they decided to go with the "add to their story" option and made Trespasser, which made the story a lot more personal and set things up for the next game in relation to the Inquisitor, but still leaving them wiggle-room should they change their minds about the protagonist again.

 

Combine that with a better understanding of the Frostbite engine and not worrying about old consoles, and Bioware can finally make a proper sequel, and relatively quickly (which will win points with EA) since the foundations for both the story and mechanics are already in place. That's what I got out of all this, at any rate.

[Smudjygirl]

Except nowhere did I say, or imply that finishing the story isn't necessary. I have finished Tresspasser, and will finish it again, with other Inquisitors, one of whom is already in the romance. What I said was, rather clearly, one person's canon does not overwrite what BioWare presented. This sparked the person I quoted to ask me how I dare to trash their canon, when all I'm doing is riding the bus that BioWare provided.
 

They will at that, and what they've told us, so many times I've lost count, is that we'll be having a different protagonist every game, because the star of the show is Thedas. This doesn't stop the constant influx of "HoF/Hawke/Inquisitor should be the next protagonist threads, because it doesn't matter how many times BW tells them no, they think they're "just kidding, and we're going to get our old PC back in the next game".

So what happens if the Solas arc doesn't even come up in the next game? Are we going to put the Inquisitor in suspended animation until he rises up to do his thing? He's immortal, 100 years isn't going to be that long compared to how long he's actually been around, so it's possible he could lay low and not do anything until the Inquisitor is dead and buried. So what then? Nobody gets to save the world because the Inquisitor is dead? What's worse, what happens if nobody can stop him from doing what he's planning to do?

Well, it wasn't "clear". But fine, sorry, i misunderstood you.

 

No one has said DA4 should definitely have the Inquisitor (and if they have i would disagree). What MOST are saying is Solas's story is the Inquisitor's story. We feel that it would be for the best if that story ends with those two characters. Solas tells you that you have only a "few" years left. An age in Thedas is about 100 year, so skipping lots of time isn't really an option since it's about a "time" and "place".

 

Geez, everything i'm saying i'm saying from a story perspective. I'm trying to write a book (i'm a fledgling writer, sure, but the methods are the same) and in my story there are 2 people who could stop the antagonist. The protagonist would be the most satisfying ending due to the EVENTS, but i could decide "Eh, let him do it" instead. It can be done, but it will make my plot so weak it isn't worth it.

 

Solas and the Inquisitor started their story together, they are each the most significant character in the Inquisitor's arc. They can bring in a new PC at the cost of the character motivation, if they wish. Hell, they may shock me and do it magnificently. But they should not feel obliged to keep or discard a protag because they have said it will be X way.

 

And for goodness sake, if it is about Thedas then we should just be a tree and watch people do stuff, since it's about the "world" and not the "characters". That is such a weak argument.