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[Smudjygirl]

I'm British too (well, born and raised in Wales, but with English parents, and I live in Yorkshire) - I agree. I'm all about druids, witches, ancient magic, King Arthur etc. And Terry Pratchett. I loved his take on Elves (very alien and hostile), so it thrills me that DA elvhen have a similar darkness about them!

 

Interesting point about Haven - and I wonder if we'll ever see Skyhold again? 

 

It's a British thing. (I'm an Oldhamer...so i talk a lot like Sera). And to be fair, elves have always be cruel. They supposedly gave skin conditions to human women they found to be beautiful. Jealous creatures.

 

"For whatever it's worth, thanks for the castle"

"For whatever it's worth, you used it well"

 

I think that they may "use" or "observe" it, but it's likely a big strength for Solas if they stayed there. Plus it is heavily hinted it's where he made the veil, so could be the best place to tear it down.

[Al Foley]

It's a British thing. (I'm an Oldhamer...so i talk a lot like Sera). And to be fair, elves have always be cruel. They supposedly gave skin conditions to human women they found to be beautiful. Jealous creatures.

 

"For whatever it's worth, thanks for the castle"

"For whatever it's worth, you used it well"

 

I think that they may "use" or "observe" it, but it's likely a big strength for Solas if they stayed there. Plus it is heavily hinted it's where he made the veil, so could be the best place to tear it down.

Then its kinda the best place to squat and wait.  

 

You know crap I did not realize and make this connection but given that your last meeting takes place in a freaking dungeon cell it is very likely they did abandon Skyhold.  Maker no.  

[Smudjygirl]

Then its kinda the best place to squat and wait.  

 

You know crap I did not realize and make this connection but given that your last meeting takes place in a freaking dungeon cell it is very likely they did abandon Skyhold.  Maker no.

 

It looks like Haven. A fitting place to end and start again. The story did a full turn around, and the Inquisitor is back at square one.

 

And Skyhold could be a double edged sword. Yes, it gives you strength, but Solas knows a lot about it. He knows all of its secrets and so would likely be able to easily keep tabs on the Inquisitor there. I doubt it will be abandoned, but i don;t think it will be the centre of the Inquisition anymore.

[AllThatJazz]

Then its kinda the best place to squat and wait.  

 

You know crap I did not realize and make this connection but given that your last meeting takes place in a freaking dungeon cell it is very likely they did abandon Skyhold.  Maker no.

It's sad, I know. Although a final confrontation with Solas there would be rather marvellous - maybe he'll have painted more frescoes!

 

Edit: Yeah I guess it was d&d (and LoTR to a degree) that gave us 'wise, lovely elves the perpetual victims of human EVIIIILLLL', which, I'll be honest, I've had enough of. Give me otherwordly beings with a mean streak and a supremacist ideology to match the humans anyday. Way more interesting.

[Smudjygirl]

It's sad, I know. Although a final confrontation with Solas there would be rather marvellous - maybe he'll have painted more frescoes!

 

I think it could be where we confront Solas. It has lots of potential. It's sad that the Inquisitor probably doesn't stay there.

 

But at the same time, it makes sense. Regardless of the outcome of Trespasser, you no longer are the mighty political force you used to be. There would be no funding, not army to protect the scale of the place. It would probably be a waste of precious time and resources. Yet one more thing the Inquisitor sacrificed to stop the people "responsible for the Breach"

[Al Foley]

It looks like Haven. A fitting place to end and start again. The story did a full turn around, and the Inquisitor is back at square one.

 

And Skyhold could be a double edged sword. Yes, it gives you strength, but Solas knows a lot about it. He knows all of its secrets and so would likely be able to easily keep tabs on the Inquisitor there. I doubt it will be abandoned, but i don;t think it will be the centre of the Inquisition anymore.

I'd at least keep a detachment there if the Inquisition is still a thing, if not, then abandon it.  Because it will likely play a role in Solas's plans and I would very like to know if he makes a move towards Skyhold if nothing else.  

 

And ugh.  IF that was Haven then it is even more literal and less symbolic then I thought.  I was like 'oh cool we are back in a cell...how fitting.'  But its a bit frustrating BioWare did THIS, THIS, and THIS to all show Inquisition/ Inquisitor wrapping up and their story is effectively over.  Sure cameos, sure they may be a major NPC in future games, but then they did THIS, THIS, and THIS to point to further story development.  Coming full circle is usually something that happens when a story is in its last two thirds, not the end.  Don't get me wrong Tresspassers was a very satisfying exclamation point on Inquisition and the whole ending thing, and it does feel like an ending, but its still a litttllllee frustrating. 

[Al Foley]

In other news I think I know how you Warden people must feel finally. 

[Smudjygirl]

I'd at least keep a detachment there if the Inquisition is still a thing, if not, then abandon it.  Because it will likely play a role in Solas's plans and I would very like to know if he makes a move towards Skyhold if nothing else.  

 

And ugh.  IF that was Haven then it is even more literal and less symbolic then I thought.  I was like 'oh cool we are back in a cell...how fitting.'  But its a bit frustrating BioWare did THIS, THIS, and THIS to all show Inquisition/ Inquisitor wrapping up and their story is effectively over.  Sure cameos, sure they may be a major NPC in future games, but then they did THIS, THIS, and THIS to point to further story development.  Coming full circle is usually something that happens when a story is in its last two thirds, not the beginning.  Don't get me wrong Tresspassers was a very satisfying exclamation point on Inquisition and the whole ending thing, and it does feel like an ending, but its still a litttllllee frustrating. 

 

I don't think it would be abandoned completely. But staying there wouldn't be good either. A few people to watch over it is very likely.

 

I think they were covering their bases to see where they can take to story. I'm much more on the "Inquisitor back please" side because i felt that the "more to be told" hints were stronger than the "it's over" hints. But this is why it's such a hot topic. People picked up on both, and have a preference .

[AllThatJazz]

In other news I think I know how you Warden people must feel finally. 

I know, right? I've generally been pretty dismissive in the past - laugh's on me now, I guess! 

[Smudjygirl]

I know, right? I've generally been pretty dismissive in the past - laugh's on me now, I guess! 

 

I always felt the Hero's story was concluded in either Awakening or Witch hunt. The ending was a less obvious "to be continued". I know how frustrating it must've been, though

[AllThatJazz]

Yeah, at least both Warden and Hawke confronted all their antagonists in the end - Inquisitor's only just met theirs! 

[Al Foley]

I don't think it would be abandoned completely. But staying there wouldn't be good either. A few people to watch over it is very likely.

 

I think they were covering their bases to see where they can take to story. I'm much more on the "Inquisitor back please" side because i felt that the "more to be told" hints were stronger than the "it's over" hints. But this is why it's such a hot topic. People picked up on both, and have a preference .

Well either way it makes perfect sense.  Thematically, story wise, practicality within the realms of the verse.  But it now makes perfect sense, what you just said.  Because BioWare, as writers, are very smart and they have been doing this for a llooooonnnnggg time now.  So they know they have to cover their bases both from an RPG perspetive, a fan perspective, and the fact they clearly have a general skeleton and framework for the Dragon Age but may not know exactly how they are going to fill it in.  Which I think is part of the masterpiece of their writing for DA actually they are doing a very bold experiement in not only game writing terms but writing writing terms I want to see them pull it off...ahem.  

 

I know, right? I've generally been pretty dismissive in the past - laugh's on me now, I guess! 

I know.    I never grew this attached to the Warden, and again like another poster on here whose name escapes me I am not way more attached to my Inky because of Tresspassers then not becuase of Tresspassers, they are not firmly my second favorite RPG protag of all time, close second to Hawke, so its tough.  But you know they did kind of do the same thing to the Warden.  I felt their story was over with Witch Hunt.  One of the reasons I still kinda like Witch Hunt, it did wrap up the story.  BUT then along comes Inquisition and he is investigating the Calling.  Sure it makes sense he would not be going silent.  Sure it would make sense he would stay active.  Sure him doing that makes a lot of sense, but it adds him back to the board as a major story piece.  

[Smudjygirl]

Yeah, at least both Warden and Hawke confronted all their antagonists in the end - Inquisitor's only just met theirs! 

 

And he used and mislead them while claiming to be a friend/lover! I don't know about you, but nothing would ever stop me from finishing that. Out of love or hate, i'd want to do it personally. (which is odd, considering I will, regardless of who i play as....but my Inquisitor said she/he would do it, so please let him/her)

[Heimdall]

For those saying "the Inquisitor is an invalid now is a stupid reason", let me explain something.

What convinces me that the Inquisitor isn't coming back isn't that Bioware couldn't contrive a magic prosthetic arm if they wanted to. Obviously they could. But I'm looking at the intent behind taking the arm at all. Obviously it's intended to hamstring the Inquisitor's fighting ability, and yes losing an arm is a handicap no matter how hard you try to spin it. Could it be an excused to start the Inquisitor at lvl 1 in the next game? I'd say it could, were it not for the context.

There are two lines people point to in the scene before the Exalted Counil. One says the Inquisitor intends to save the world while the other says their adventuring days are over but the Inquisition's mission will go on. These statements don't contradict one another, because saying they will save the world doesn't indicate how they will do it, it certainly doesn't have to be done on the front lines with sword in hand. So we have one neutral statement and one indicating retirement from adventuring.

More to the point, the Inquisitor's last line about finding people Solas does't know. I've heard it suggested that this could just refer to recruiting new companions, but think: the impetuous for that statement was someone stating that Solas knows exactly who they are and how they work. Swapping out the Inquisitor's underlings doesn't solve that problem, because the person they're following would still be potentially the person he knows and can predict best. This is also why I think the new PC's link to the Inquisitor will be rather indirect.

Could Bioware completely change their mind? Sure, but the lines and events of Trespasser indicate an intent to keep the Inquisitor involved but not as the Protagonist. That's my take.

[Al Foley]

Yeah, at least both Warden and Hawke confronted all their antagonists in the end - Inquisitor's only just met theirs! 

You know this is why I love Solas too.  he is an antagonist.  Despite everything, and especially despite the horribleness of his plans I do not think he is a villain.  Him and the Architect are two of the most compelling characters in DA because they are antagonists, they are not villains in the traditional sense of the word.

[Al Foley]

For those saying "the Inquisitor is an invalid now is a stupid reason", let me explain something.

What convinces me that the Inquisitor isn't coming back isn't that Bioware couldn't contrive a magic prosthetic arm if they wanted to. Obviously they could. But I'm looking at the intent behind taking the arm at all. Obviously it's intended to hamstring the Inquisitor's fighting ability, and yes losing an arm is a handicap no matter how hard you try to spin it. Could it be an excused to start the Inquisitor at lvl 1 in the next game? I'd say it could, were it not for the context.

There are two lines people point to in the scene before the Exalted Counil. One says the Inquisitor intends to save the world while the other says their adventuring days are over but the Inquisition's mission will go on. These statements don't contradict one another, because saying they will save the world doesn't indicate how they will do it, it certainly doesn't have to be done on the front lines with sword in hand. So we have one neutral statement and one indicating retirement from adventuring.

More to the point, the Inquisitor's last line about finding people Solas does't know. I've heard it suggested that this could just refer to recruiting new companions, but think: the impetuous for that statement was someone stating that Solas knows exactly who they are and how they work. Swapping out the Inquisitor's underlings doesn't solve that problem, because the person they're following would still be potentially the person he knows and can predict best. This is also why I think the new PC's link to the Inquisitor will be rather indirect.

Could Bioware completely change their mind? Sure, but the lines and events of Trespasser indicate an intent to keep the Inquisitor involved but not as the Protagonist. That's my take.

Exactly.  My position is 'Love to play as the Inquisitor again because they are AWESOME but its not gonna happen.'.  

[Smudjygirl]

Well either way it makes perfect sense.  Thematically, story wise, practicality within the realms of the verse.  But it now makes perfect sense, what you just said.  Because BioWare, as writers, are very smart and they have been doing this for a llooooonnnnggg time now.  So they know they have to cover their bases both from an RPG perspetive, a fan perspective, and the fact they clearly have a general skeleton and framework for the Dragon Age but may not know exactly how they are going to fill it in.  Which I think is part of the masterpiece of their writing for DA actually they are doing a very bold experiement in not only game writing terms but writing writing terms I want to see them pull it off...ahem.  

 

 Which makes the "new game, new protag" argument shaky.  The end of that could go either way, and i want it to go with the most satisfactory ending.

 

Since my favourite Inquisitor is my Elven mage romancing Solas, i do not want to be little miss Nobody and have to listen to me lament the loss of my love and why i need me to do something about it. (Also for my human male archer, i want to shoot Solas through the face for betraying him)

[Al Foley]

 Which makes the "new game, new protag" argument shaky.  The end of that could go either way, and i want it to go with the most satisfactory ending.

 

Since my favourite Inquisitor is my Elven mage romancing Solas, i do not want to be little miss Nobody and have to listen to me lament the loss of my love and why i need me to do something about it. (Also for my human male archer, i want to shoot Solas through the face for betraying him)

Well whats annoying is gonna have to be, mayyybbeee having the Inquisitor re explain eveyrthing to the protag of DA 4, and then the protag have to explain to the protag of DA 5, and then maybe the protag for DA 5 having to do the same for six.  Again makes sense, but may not be the most satisfying from a audience perspective.  OH unless they did what they did with Cullen in DA I and asking him about something and it just unlocks a bunch of codexes he all be like 'I have no time to explain' *fifteen codexes open*

[Smudjygirl]

Well whats annoying is gonna have to be, mayyybbeee having the Inquisitor re explain eveyrthing to the protag of DA 4, and then the protag have to explain to the protag of DA 5, and then maybe the protag for DA 5 having to do the same for six.  Again makes sense, but may not be the most satisfying from a audience perspective.  OH unless they did what they did with Cullen in DA I and asking him about something and it just unlocks a bunch of codexes he all be like 'I have no time to explain' *fifteen codexes open*

 

That's great for new players, it really is. Not so much for the core audience, however. New players won't have had the "SOLAS IS WHO!!! YOU LED ME ON BIOWARE!" response that i had, since i've been around since Origins.  Not everyone reads Codexes, for some reason. I only don't when my eyes go funny.

[Al Foley]

That's great for new players, it really is. Not so much for the core audience, however. New players won't have had the "SOLAS IS WHO!!! YOU LED ME ON BIOWARE!" response that i had, since i've been around since Origins.  Not everyone reads Codexes, for some reason. I only don't when my eyes go funny.

I normally don't either but I have started to more and more because...well Ashe said there was hints to Flemeth in Origin's Codex entries so I am finally paying more attention to them. lol.  

 

And...on one of my last points...its kinda awesome because the Archtitect/ Corypheus/ Solas are essentially three different shades on a theme.  They all care about their people so much they will be willing to do anything, something, horrible for them.  In this case Darkspawn/ Tevinter/ Elves.  Though Corypheus is the most mustache twirling of the three but I did like him as as an villain and kinda like him a little bit more in this new light. 

[Smudjygirl]

I normally don't either but I have started to more and more because...well Ashe said there was hints to Flemeth in Origin's Codex entries so I am finally paying more attention to them. lol.  

 

And...on one of my last points...its kinda awesome because the Archtitect/ Corypheus/ Solas are essentially three different shades on a theme.  They all care about their people so much they will be willing to do anything, something, horrible for them.  In this case Darkspawn/ Tevinter/ Elves.  Though Corypheus is the most mustache twirling of the three but I did like him as as an villain and kinda like him a little bit more in this new light. 

 

Making an antagonist personable makes the conflict deeper. Cory was mad, because of the blight? Because he used to have power but doesn't now, and wants it back? Because he didn't find the maker? The Architect i had sympathy for. I agree with his theory, though the practice has shown to be less than perfect.

 

But Solas...Solas i genuinely love. He is always clearly upset by how unlike themselves elves are, how most other races just want to destroy and conquer. They made him so human (irony). Some of the worst evils in history were made with the best intentions. But the best thing about Solas is he has a reason to hate his own desires if he cares for the Inquisitor. He has a reason to be conflicted about it every step of the way (or be more dead set on it than ever before if the Inquisitor is his enemy). His story is going to be deep and heartfelt, unless they decide not to explore his inner conflict as his story concludes.

[Al Foley]

Making an antagonist personable makes the conflict deeper. Cory was mad, because of the blight? Because he used to have power but doesn't now, and wants it back? Because he didn't find the maker? The Architect i had sympathy for. I agree with his theory, though the practice has shown to be less than perfect.

 

But Solas...Solas i genuinely love. He is always clearly upset by how unlike themselves elves are, how most other races just want to destroy and conquer. They made him so human (irony). Some of the worst evils in history were made with the best intentions. But the best thing about Solas is he has a reason to hate his own desires if he cares for the Inquisitor. He has a reason to be conflicted about it every step of the way (or be more dead set on it than ever before if the Inquisitor is his enemy). His story is going to be deep and heartfelt, unless they decide not to explore his inner conflict as his story concludes.

Indeed.  Game of Thrones schtick is kind of 'there is no protagonists'.  DAs schtick is 'there are no villains'.  Though there kinda are in both cases.  

[Smudjygirl]

Indeed.  Game of Thrones schtick is kind of 'there is no protagonists'.  DAs schtick is 'there are no villains'.  Though there kinda are in both cases.  

 

Well, they say a good antagonist thinks they're the protagonist. Solas is an unusual case, though. He thinks he is what's best for the elves, but admits that what he is doing is "terrible" for everyone else.

 

He's got an unusual sense of morality, that one.

[Heimdall]

Well, they say a good antagonist thinks they're the protagonist. Solas is an unusual case, though. He thinks he is what's best for the elves, but admits that what he is doing is "terrible" for everyone else.
 
He's got an unusual sense of morality, that one.

That's perhaps why I like him so much. He's conflicted, but unwavering. And we've developed a personal connection with him.

Depending on how they handle DA4, he could be Bioware's best antagonist since Sun Li (I still don't think controlling the Inquisitor is required to make this work well mind you, but there it is)

[Al Foley]

That's perhaps why I like him so much. He's conflicted, but unwavering. And we've developed a personal connection with him.

Depending on how they handle DA4, he could be Bioware's best antagonist since Sun Li (I still don't think controlling the Inquisitor is required to make this work well mind you, but there it is)

I hope he is not the main antagonist for DA 4.