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[Smudjygirl]

That's perhaps why I like him so much. He's conflicted, but unwavering. And we've developed a personal connection with him.

Depending on how they handle DA4, he could be Bioware's best antagonist since Sun Li (I still don't think controlling the Inquisitor is required to make this work well mind you, but there it is)

I think it is. We have a reason to care about his actions beyond what they appear to be. The Inquisitor has an understanding of Solas that no one else does, and now we do too.

 

They have set him up to be that. (I don't think it's necessary, i feel it would be preferable. We'll see, i'm sure it will be fine)

[Heimdall]

I hope he is not the main antagonist for DA 4.

My prediction is that we'll be dealing with three major actors aside from the Inquisitor's organization. Solas, the Qunari, and a Tevinter faction that may end up being linked to an uncorrupted Old God maybe Razikale (I find that possibility very exciting!). I don't know how the pieces will fit together, but I'm guessing Solas' current plan is something we'll uncover gradually.

I honestly have no clue if he'll be the primary antagonist or whether or not they want to keep his arc going into DA5.

[Al Foley]

My prediction is that we'll be dealing with three major actors aside from the Inquisitor's organization. Solas, the Qunari, and a Tevinter faction that may end up being linked to an uncorrupted Old God maybe Razikale (I find that possibility very exciting!). I don't know how the pieces will fit together, but I'm guessing Solas' current plan is something we'll uncover gradually.

I honestly have no clue if he'll be the primary antagonist or whether or not they want to keep his arc going into DA5.

I find it likely they like planning two games ahead. 

[Hattress]

For those saying "the Inquisitor is an invalid now is a stupid reason", let me explain something.

What convinces me that the Inquisitor isn't coming back isn't that Bioware couldn't contrive a magic prosthetic arm if they wanted to. Obviously they could. But I'm looking at the intent behind taking the arm at all. Obviously it's intended to hamstring the Inquisitor's fighting ability, and yes losing an arm is a handicap no matter how hard you try to spin it. Could it be an excused to start the Inquisitor at lvl 1 in the next game? I'd say it could, were it not for the context.

There are two lines people point to in the scene before the Exalted Counil. One says the Inquisitor intends to save the world while the other says their adventuring days are over but the Inquisition's mission will go on. These statements don't contradict one another, because saying they will save the world doesn't indicate how they will do it, it certainly doesn't have to be done on the front lines with sword in hand. So we have one neutral statement and one indicating retirement from adventuring.

More to the point, the Inquisitor's last line about finding people Solas does't know. I've heard it suggested that this could just refer to recruiting new companions, but think: the impetuous for that statement was someone stating that Solas knows exactly who they are and how they work. Swapping out the Inquisitor's underlings doesn't solve that problem, because the person they're following would still be potentially the person he knows and can predict best. This is also why I think the new PC's link to the Inquisitor will be rather indirect.

Could Bioware completely change their mind? Sure, but the lines and events of Trespasser indicate an intent to keep the Inquisitor involved but not as the Protagonist. That's my take.

Well even if you keep the inquisition quizzy only says his own adventuring day may be over, plus he says he has a world to save again……in my opinion this saves space for both possibility. 

 

And as for quizzy should not get involved directly since Solas knew the inquisitor well..... sorry i dont buy it. Solas can easily corrupt inquisition because he knows the inquisition, not the inquisitor,after all the inquisitor is not the one who performs background check or handles information. Solas also take the advantage that no one at the time had any idea that he is Fen'harel/agent of Fen'harel and had control of eluvian.

 

Besides, the inquisitor already stated very clearly that he is after Solas, it adds no credit to the whole plot that the inquisitor made such a commitment and hide far away while have others deals with the one he said he would redeem/stop. Also, the inquisitor and the ones stand with her in the final scene are also the ones who know Solas and his plan better than anyone else in Thedas. They might also be the ones who know how Solas plot his plan best because they themselves used to fight along with Solas and were tricked by the dread wolf. This advantage works for both sides.

 

Anyway...i myself dont mind a new PC (instead I look forward to it), but dread wolf belongs to quizzy

[Hattress]

My prediction is that we'll be dealing with three major actors aside from the Inquisitor's organization. Solas, the Qunari, and a Tevinter faction that may end up being linked to an uncorrupted Old God maybe Razikale (I find that possibility very exciting!). I don't know how the pieces will fit together, but I'm guessing Solas' current plan is something we'll uncover gradually.

I honestly have no clue if he'll be the primary antagonist or whether or not they want to keep his arc going into DA5.

If sandal's prophecy is true then the ultra antagonist could be extremely powerful blighted being/Evanuris (consider the codex about Andruil's void armor these two might be the same thing). Never trust Solas's plan.

[Al Foley]

If sandal's prophecy is true then the ultra antagonist could be extremely powerful blighted being/Evanuris (consider the codex about Andruil's void armor these two might be the same thing). Never trust Solas's plan.

Yeah that could be a hint to.  Heh he opens the veil only to fail at his plan to stop the Evanuris so they are left to run rampant across Thedas. 

[Finis Valorum]

I find it likely they like planning two games ahead. 

 

It could start a theme that the even numbered games are less grand, more personal stories. I could possibly see the protagonist of DA4 being a Tevinter slave, just hope that we will be allowed to play one with magic, who foments the first truly successful slave rebellion against Tevinter since Andraste. it would lead to a game where the ultimate goal of the protagonist is transforming Tevinter/the North, instead of saving the world. Being a native of the North also allows a more personal story, like Hawke's to be developed for the protagonist. I could see the choices in the finale of such a game be something like, allying with Dorian and supporting his reforms, allying with the Qunari and allowing them to finally conquer (a significant part of) Tevinter, or rejecting both and trying to impose your own new order.

 

Solas and the former Inquisitor could be influencing certain events from the background, behind the scenes, in the meantime. It's possible the new protagonist may even be recruited as an agent of the Inquisitor, specifically to bring change to Tevinter, though it would likely require you follow the ally with Dorian path, whereas Solas could be involved with the choice to go at it alone and of course the Qunari also have their agenda should you choose to ally with them.

 

The confront Solas and "save the world again" thing may well be reserved for game 5, in that case. With either another new protagonist or the former Inquisitor returning.

[Smudjygirl]

Yeah that could be a hint to.  Heh he opens the veil only to fail at his plan to stop the Evanuris so they are left to run rampant across Thedas. 

 

I'm curious. I wonder what he meant by "every alternative was worse", but he'll still tear it down? I don't think he really thought this through haha

[Heimdall]

Well even if you keep the inquisition quizzy only says his own adventuring day may be over, plus he says he has a world to save again……in my opinion this saves space for both possibility. 

As I explained, the statement about saving the world doesn't really indicate anything either way. Saving the world can be done without being the boots on the ground.
 

And as for quizzy should not get involved directly since Solas knew the inquisitor well..... sorry i dont buy it. Solas can easily corrupt inquisition because he knows the inquisition, not the inquisitor,after all the inquisitor is not the one who performs background check or handles information. Solas also take the advantage that no one at the time had any idea that he is Fen'harel/agent of Fen'harel and had control of eluvian.

They said the problem is that Solas "knows us, knows who we are and how we work" as I recall. They say that whether the Inquisition is disbanded or not, so they aren't talking about Solas' ability to anticipate the organization, but the members of it he has come know very well. Whether or not you believe it would be a problem, that's what Bioware says is the problem, and it's their intent I was trying to get at in my post.
 

Besides, the inquisitor already stated very clearly that he is after Solas, it adds no credit to the whole plot that the inquisitor made such a commitment and hide far away while have others deals with the one he said he would redeem/stop. Also, the inquisitor and the ones stand with her in the final scene are also the ones who know Solas and his plan better than anyone else in Thedas. They might also be the ones who know how Solas plot his plan best because they themselves used to fight along with Solas and were tricked by the dread wolf. This advantage works for both sides.

They aren't running away and letting others deal with it, that'd be like saying a general is hiding and letting others deal with the enemy because is isn't personally leading the attack. Going after Solas doesn't require the Inquisitor doing the leg work. I imagine we'll see the Inquisitor managing a network of agents when next we see them.

Solas successfully hid his true intentions from the Inquisition from the start. Suggesting they'd be able to anticipate him after being so thoroughly ignorant is rather dubious.

[Tython]

Well my Inquisitor kept the inquisition and just lessened the force a bit. Given that Cassandra is Divine and how easy it was to recruit and build it back up, I've pretty much lost nothing. I can get Dagma to craft me a magical hand. Leliana is strengthening our spy network. I have tons of resources from my core group that's still in place. To make things real easy, I just might use that Tevinter idiot to time travel me back and kill Solas before we even arrive at Skyhold.

 

My Inquisition is really a shadow force now that I've got those two pesky kingdoms off my back so I can recruit more in tevinter but my Inquisitor should have a "hand" in the next game...

[midnight tea]

As I explained, the statement about saving the world doesn't really indicate anything either way. Saving the world can be done without being the boots on the ground.

 

Yes, but at the same time it destroys what was built in Inquisition between Inquisitor and Solas - their personal connection (be it friendship or rivalry).

 

And considering how frequently things in DA are resolved via personal interference or encounter, usually on battlefield, I somehow doubt they'd change the formula too drastically.

 

Then there's the fact that epilogue cards and devs have already hinted that Inquisitor indeed is active and moving around all Thedas. They're seen in Minrathous if Inky is in relationship with Dorian. They seem to suddenly appear near Cassandra from time to time if she is their LI (even more of an indicator that we may be moving around Thedas via Tevene eluvians, IMO). If they befriend Sera, they are travelling along with Red Jennies.

 

Also - someone on Twitter asked why Inquisitor can be made a Jenny, but not the Charger. Patrick Weekes responded: "Didn't want to put Inq in subordinate role, but assumed that would travel with regularly."

 

Needless to say, they're strongly alluded to be travelling all over the place, probably being as active as many of us here wish him/her to be.

 

 

They said the problem is that Solas "knows us, knows who we are and how we work" as I recall. They say that whether the Inquisition is disbanded or not, so they aren't talking about Solas' ability to anticipate the organization, but the members of it he has come know very well. Whether or not you believe it would be a problem, that's what Bioware says is the problem, and it's their intent I was trying to get at in my post.

 

Yes, but he "knows them" because nobody except for us, players, who saw post-credit scene could have anticipated that the fabled Dread Wolf of elvhen folk legends is actually real and plotting to unravel the world. Now that Solas was kind enough to telegraph his intent, and thanks to information we've gathered both  throughout DAI and Trespasser about what happened with Elvhen empire and their gods, Inquisition and its leader is still best suited to stop him, even if some restructuring or change of tactics is necessary.

 

 

They aren't running away and letting others deal with it, that'd be like saying a general is hiding and letting others deal with the enemy because is isn't personally leading the attack. Going after Solas doesn't require the Inquisitor doing the leg work. I imagine we'll see the Inquisitor managing a network of agents when next we see them.

 

While I would enjoy seeing some tactical "chess match" between Solas and Inquisitor with the way they use their forces or agents, if it was the only way they interacted with one another, it would eventually fall flat if it was the only thing we'd be limited to after all this beautiful personal build up we've seen happening in DAI and its DLC.

 

Then there's also the question of balancing player agency while playing DA4 protagonist - will they only be pawns in the game between Inquisition and Dread Wold?

 

I realize that it's extremely tricky and they'd have to be super-clever in how they'd try and build relationship between Inquisitor and DA4 protagonist in case both of them were player-controlled at one point or another, but how fantastic would that be if they've actually tried it? Even short interactions could be extremely meaningful, as well as later decisions - will we stay with Inquisitor (whose NPC interactions could be shaped by decisions saved in DAI worldstate and interactions we'd choose in stages of DA4 where we'd be allowed to control them) or leave/betray him/her?

 

I'd really, really love to see that and I believe Bioware can pull this off.

 

 

Solas successfully hid his true intentions from the Inquisition from the start. Suggesting they'd be able to anticipate him after being so thoroughly ignorant is rather dubious.

 

But who else could anticipate him? How much more ignorant of Dread Wolf, his plans, past or tactics is anyone else, compared to Inquisition? Truth is, they're the only ones who can - nobody else has the relation they have, be it positive or negative. Nobody else knows him so well - even if not his tactics, then his manners, possible weaknesses or ways he used to fight Evanuris as Dread Wolf in ancient times (thanks to information uncovered in Trespasser).

 

Inquisition at this point is pretty much the only hope for this world, it seems.

[Domiel Angelus]

I just wanted to chime in here for everyone that thinks I may have posted this and am or am not reading. I want to thank everyone for making this the longest and most constructive thread I've ever thought about putting up.

[Finis Valorum]

But who else could anticipate him? How much more ignorant of Dread Wolf, his plans, past or tactics is anyone else, compared to Inquisition? Truth is, they're the only ones who can - nobody else has the relation they have, be it positive or negative. Nobody else knows him so well - even if not his tactics, then his manners, possible weaknesses or ways he used to fight Evanuris as Dread Wolf in ancient times (thanks to information uncovered in Trespasser).

 

Inquisition at this point is pretty much the only hope for this world, it seems.

 

Another elf, like Abelas who's lived long enough to actually remember the time of the old Elven gods and who may have his/her own issues with them. Maybe we get to play as them, in which case we could only be an elf, I suppose. Or maybe that character becomes a party member/Ro. Maybe it could even be Abelas, for all of his fans here.

If such a character is on hand to guide and advise the new PC we might not even need the help of another old (elven) god(s), soul or spirit.

 

There'sa lot of ways around any (direct) involvement of the former Inquisitor, beyond the obligatory cameo, in the new gane. I'm sure Bioware can think up something far better than I can.

[Hattress]

As I explained, the statement about saving the world doesn't really indicate anything either way. Saving the world can be done without being the boots on the ground.
 
They said the problem is that Solas "knows us, knows who we are and how we work" as I recall. They say that whether the Inquisition is disbanded or not, so they aren't talking about Solas' ability to anticipate the organization, but the members of it he has come know very well. Whether or not you believe it would be a problem, that's what Bioware says is the problem, and it's their intent I was trying to get at in my post.
 
They aren't running away and letting others deal with it, that'd be like saying a general is hiding and letting others deal with the enemy because is isn't personally leading the attack. Going after Solas doesn't require the Inquisitor doing the leg work. I imagine we'll see the Inquisitor managing a network of agents when next we see them.

Solas successfully hid his true intentions from the Inquisition from the start. Suggesting they'd be able to anticipate him after being so thoroughly ignorant is rather dubious.

About the end dialog, as I said, it left space for both possibilities.

As for the "he knows us all" comment, i take it as a reason why quizzy wont bring back the origin team to stop solas, while this team worked well when facing Cory.

 

Just take a quick review of the Trespasser (or maybe the whole game), it is not about quizzy and the inner circle failing on the battleground, it is the inquisition that was corrupted by both Solas and Qunari.  Just realize how Solas comment on the corruption inquisition is facing, how you have to make a trade off between strong force and vulnerability to corruption in the end, even the "he knows us too well" comment is made after Leliana's spy failed to track down Solas. That's why I feel the "know us all" comment implies more on the need for a new organization/team to fight against solas's force, rather than just put a bunch of new recruits on battlefield. But I won't deny that this can also be interpreted the way you believed Bioware intended to do. I am certainly not in the position to decide what Bioware's intention is. 

 

And for the last part, maybe you could put a little more faith in them. After all these people are also intelligent. I would say Solas took them by surprise. The whole story that Evanuris actually exists, one of them created veil and sealed the others, woke up hundreds of years later weak as a mortal, planed to destroy this world to bring back his own, then joined them to save the world because thing didn't go as he planned.... all these things are first beyond most people's wildest imagination, second have too many coincidence involved.

Solas won the first round yes, but that hardly a fair match.

[nuclearpengu1nn]

I'm willing to bet the Inquisitor gets shafted just like The Warden and Hawke where the series suddenly refuse to acknowledge they still exists.

[Shechinah]

I'm willing to bet the Inquisitor gets shafted just like The Warden and Hawke where the series suddenly refuse to acknowledge they still exists.

 

They've always been acknowledged which is the issue to some people.
 

[Smudjygirl]

About the end dialog, as I said, it left space for both possibilities.

As for the "he knows us all" comment, i take it as a reason why quizzy wont bring back the origin team to stop solas, while this team worked well when facing Cory.

 

Just take a quick review of the Trespasser (or maybe the whole game), it is not about quizzy and the inner circle failing on the battleground, it is the inquisition that was corrupted by both Solas and Qunari.  Just realize how Solas comment on the corruption inquisition is facing, how you have to make a trade off between strong force and vulnerability to corruption in the end, even the "he knows us too well" comment is made after Leliana's spy failed to track down Solas. That's why I feel the "know us all" comment implies more on the need for a new organization/team to fight against solas's force, rather than just put a bunch of new recruits on battlefield. But I won't deny that this can also be interpreted the way you believed Bioware intended to do. I am certainly not in the position to decide what Bioware's intention is. 

 

And for the last part, maybe you could put a little more faith in them. After all these people are also intelligent. I would say Solas took them by surprise. The whole story that Evanuris actually exists, one of them created veil and sealed the others, woke up hundreds of years later weak as a mortal, planed to destroy this world to bring back his own, then joined them to save the world because thing didn't go as he planned.... all these things are first beyond most people's wildest imagination, second have too many coincidence involved.

Solas won the first round yes, but that hardly a fair match.

 

That's how i interpreted it. My brothers are more for the "New game, New PC" method in DA, but even they told me that they did not feel the conclusion concluded the Inquisitor's story. In fact i have 4 varients of relationship to Solas in my house. 1 Love (me) 2) Friend (Younger brother 1) 3) hate (younger brother 2) and 4) meh (Older brother). The one thing we can all agree in is that Solas should be stopped by the Inquisitor. It did not feel like a "Fare thee well", and my brothers were REALLY hoping it would.

 

"He knows us" would also mean we would not really be able to be agents of the Inquisition, as he would know how our spies spread information and will be keeping tabs in them anyway. It's just another obstacle our "hero" must overcome. The the antagonist needs to be a pain in the protagonists behind, and vice versa. They've set it up to be an interesting and deeply interactive story with the Inquisitor. A new PC will take away from that.

 

On a side note, it would be cool to answer questions about the quest from before with new companions.

"Do you really know a Magister?"

"Yes, Dorian. He has a marvelous mustache"

[tanuki]

I just thought: funny thing. Bioware could just include an option for Inquisitor to die in Trespasser (and before it came out I actually really expected there to be something like this) and all of us who want them as a protagonist in DA4 would not bring this out, because the possibility of them dying would effectively cancel their future involvement in any significant way. Now they are just guaranteed to be present in DA4 in some form (and I'd like them to be a returning protagonist or dual protagonist at least)

[Al Foley]

I just thought: funny thing. Bioware could just include an option for Inquisitor to die in Trespasser (and before it came out I actually really expected there to be something like this) and all of us who want them as a protagonist in DA4 would not bring this out, because the possibility of them dying would effectively cancel their future involvement in any significant way. Now they are just guaranteed to be present in DA4 in some form (and I'd like them to be a returning protagonist or dual protagonist at least)

Funny I would have loved to see it if you chose to attack Solas option for you to...attack up, the Mark flares up, and it grows so bright as you struggle with him that the screen whites you, you then flash to Val Royeux and they are trying to deal with the politics without the Inquisitor, and the Inquisition collapses in on itself. 

[Al Foley]

I also would have loved an option to keep the Inquisition but have the current Inquisitor step down, Kara probably would have gone with that one.  Minor complaint the ending was AWESOME, but still, would have been nice. 

[Smudjygirl]

I just thought: funny thing. Bioware could just include an option for Inquisitor to die in Trespasser (and before it came out I actually really expected there to be something like this) and all of us who want them as a protagonist in DA4 would not bring this out, because the possibility of them dying would effectively cancel their future involvement in any significant way. Now they are just guaranteed to be present in DA4 in some form (and I'd like them to be a returning protagonist or dual protagonist at least)

 

It was obviously intentional to keep the Inquisitor alive and active. So many of us were prepared for the Inquisitor to die. We knew the mark was killing them right from the start, and no one ever says "no, you're fine now". They needed to get rid of it for story and gameplay reasons. Story= it was killing them and also would likely make stopping Solas easy. 2- Inquisitor was really OP with it, and that would not suit them being PC again, or an NPC. Too strong.

[robertthebard]

I just thought: funny thing. Bioware could just include an option for Inquisitor to die in Trespasser (and before it came out I actually really expected there to be something like this) and all of us who want them as a protagonist in DA4 would not bring this out, because the possibility of them dying would effectively cancel their future involvement in any significant way. Now they are just guaranteed to be present in DA4 in some form (and I'd like them to be a returning protagonist or dual protagonist at least)

Really? The Warden can die in Origins, where did the expression "Warden Tuesday" come from?

[Smudjygirl]

Really? The Warden can die in Origins, where did the expression "Warden Tuesday" come from?

 

It wouldn't stop people, sure. But the "they could be dead and so would be very complicated to bring back as PC" would work as a counter argument. I certainly wouldn't ask or expect them to come back if that was an option, which it wasn't. So i hope for them to return.

[Domiel Angelus]

I just thought: funny thing. Bioware could just include an option for Inquisitor to die in Trespasser (and before it came out I actually really expected there to be something like this) and all of us who want them as a protagonist in DA4 would not bring this out, because the possibility of them dying would effectively cancel their future involvement in any significant way. Now they are just guaranteed to be present in DA4 in some form (and I'd like them to be a returning protagonist or dual protagonist at least)

 

There's a chance for a lot of people to die in the Dragon Age series: Leliana can be killed at the Urn of Sacred Ashes and even if she is she gets brought back; Morrigan can be killed during Witch Hunt and she still comes back; Ohgren claims you knocked him out when he's clearly dead and probably would claim the same thing now; The Warden is like Schrodinger's Cat because they have versions both alive and dead; Anders can be killed at the end of DA:A and when you meet him in DA 2 he claims to have switched out his body for someone else's and escaped. The list actually goes quite long, but what is considered "canon" after the game is over is all up to the writers.

 

If we let the Inquisitor die they would probably have a back-up plan of some kind. Heck, the ME team kills Shepard so you can have a class reset from ME1 to ME2 and so the Reapers really aren't expecting him to make a return from the pile of smoking ash he probably was in his suit when he fell through the atmosphere. No one expects the Inquisitor.....and thats exactly what we need, someone Solas wouldn't expect to still be alive. 

[Al Foley]

There's a chance for a lot of people to die in the Dragon Age series: Leliana can be killed at the Urn of Sacred Ashes and even if she is she gets brought back; Morrigan can be killed during Witch Hunt and she still comes back; Ohgren claims you knocked him out when he's clearly dead and probably would claim the same thing now; The Warden is like Schrodinger's Cat because they have versions both alive and dead; Anders can be killed at the end of DA:A and when you meet him in DA 2 he claims to have switched out his body for someone else's and escaped. The list actually goes quite long, but what is considered "canon" after the game is over is all up to the writers.

 

If we let the Inquisitor die they would probably have a back-up plan of some kind. Heck, the ME team kills Shepard so you can have a class reset from ME1 to ME2 and so the Reapers really aren't expecting him to make a return from the pile of smoking ash he probably was in his suit when he fell through the atmosphere. No one expects the Inquisitor.....and thats exactly what we need, someone Solas wouldn't expect to still be alive. 

Head canon accepted.  Kara 'dies' in an 'accident' with a runaway milk cart.