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[themikefest]

Have you ever wanted to punch Joker in the mouth sometimes?

Once or twice maybe. I know I wanted to shoot him when seeing him for the first time after Freedom's Progress.
 

But putting in him in his place a few times was fun.

You mean like the joke he says after Thessia? I wanted my femshep to laugh even though it was lame and then tell her own joke.

 

I would consider my Shepard and Joker's relationship to be brothers.  An older brother that wanted to be the only child, and the younger brother that thinks he's older than the older brother.

My Shepard just considers the guy a pilot and not much else

[CuriousArtemis]

Have you ever wanted to punch Joker in the mouth sometimes?  I know he's the comedic relief, but at times I wish I had the option to crack him in the mouth. But putting in him in his place a few times was fun.  I would consider my Shepard and Joker's relationship to be brothers.  An older brother that wanted to be the only child, and the younger brother that thinks he's older than the older brother. 

 

Punch Joker?!?!  He's too adorable. I would say my Shepard and Joker's relationship was... um... not an option in the game  So sure, let's go with brothers 

[Ahglock]

Have you ever wanted to punch Joker in the mouth sometimes?  I know he's the comedic relief, but at times I wish I had the option to crack him in the mouth. But putting in him in his place a few times was fun.  I would consider my Shepard and Joker's relationship to be brothers.  An older brother that wanted to be the only child, and the younger brother that thinks he's older than the older brother. 

 

You know I never saw him as comic relief.  I liked his character overall. 

[piloteyre]

I'm not opposed to npc romances, but I think it's a tough balance to hit right, especially when one or both of the participants are LI's for the PC.

 

Tali and Garrus was very cute and was suitably subtle and in the background that most people seem to think it's sweet, outside of really hardcore Garrus and Tali romancers. Fenris and Isabela were a briefly mentioned hook-up that most seem to find amusing. Dorian and Bull went the complete opposite direction and got a really big focus for an npc ship, and while it made some people very happy, in the wake of Trespasser it also seems to have left a lot of players feeling a little hurt and baffled at how much importance their LI's alternate relationship got vs their relationship with the Inquisitor.

 

There's also a question of the relationship dynamics and how people are going to react to them, negatively or positively - again, Bull and Dorian are an example of that, but so are Joker and Edi. I'm neutral on them but I know a lot of people find Joker and Edi kind of skeevy. It's shaky territory and you can't please everyone, so I'd rather any relationships stay enough in the background that the potential for fandom freaking out is minimized. 

 

I like the Garrus and Tali approach, personally. It was very cute and had just enough mentions to make me go 'aw' but didn't seem like it was competing for attention from their romances (which wasn't really a concern for me since I didn't romance either of them, but I can see why it could have bothered people who did.)

 

as far as non-romance relationships, I agree w/ whoever mentioned wanting companions to not always get along. I don't want them to always find common ground. Tbh taking Fenris and Anders around to hear them bitching at each other non-stop was hilarious, at least it made fighting through the exact same cave system 100 times slightly less tedious (very slightly, but still.)

[Stazro]

I'm not opposed to npc romances, but I think it's a tough balance to hit right, especially when one or both of the participants are LI's for the PC.

 

Tali and Garrus was very cute and was suitably subtle and in the background that most people seem to think it's sweet, outside of really hardcore Garrus and Tali romancers. Fenris and Isabela were a briefly mentioned hook-up that most seem to find amusing. Dorian and Bull went the complete opposite direction and got a really big focus for an npc ship, and while it made some people very happy, in the wake of Trespasser it also seems to have left a lot of players feeling a little hurt and baffled at how much importance their LI's alternate relationship got vs their relationship with the Inquisitor.

 

There's also a question of the relationship dynamics and how people are going to react to them, negatively or positively - again, Bull and Dorian are an example of that, but so are Joker and Edi. I'm neutral on them but I know a lot of people find Joker and Edi kind of skeevy. It's shaky territory and you can't please everyone, so I'd rather any relationships stay enough in the background that the potential for fandom freaking out is minimized. 

 

I like the Garrus and Tali approach, personally. It was very cute and had just enough mentions to make me go 'aw' but didn't seem like it was competing for attention from their romances (which wasn't really a concern for me since I didn't romance either of them, but I can see why it could have bothered people who did.)

 

as far as non-romance relationships, I agree w/ whoever mentioned wanting companions to not always get along. I don't want them to always find common ground. Tbh taking Fenris and Anders around to hear them bitching at each other non-stop was hilarious, at least it made fighting through the exact same cave system 100 times slightly less tedious (very slightly, but still.)

 

Yes, I think Tali and Garrus is an example of how to do it. It wasn't even remotely as in your face as the Joker/EDI thing, where you're constantly asked for your opinion (I might be biased though, because I disliked from the start EDI getting a walking body), and I think they actually are a good fit (not just because they can share a meal with each other...).

[Degrees1991]

Traynor and EDI would have been weird, but interesting.

EDI and Legion for me. Tbh when Legion connects with EDI that was flirting right or something?

[Killdren88]

Why hate the romances among NPCs? You aren't romancing them. Why shouldn't they?

[Han Shot First]

On the topic question, I do like some NPC romances, though Garrus and Tali doesn't really do anything for me and EDI and Joker is bit one-sided in my opinion.. but in general. I don't want PC to have too much power in relationships of NPC's, but I think some subtle changes are okay I guess? Like that you don't straight-forwardly dictate other people's relationship, but you can have some influence over them in ways that aren't blatant.

 

Garrus and Tali was a little weird in that the two of them didn't seem to like one another in the first game. Much of their banter consisted of bickering, and Garrus was kind of a dick whenever mentioning Quarians. You Turians are all racist!

 

So in that sense it was a little bit out of left field, and was only there has a fanservice acknowledgement of fans referring to the two of them as Team Dextro. I do give the writers credit for addressing the fact that they originally didn't get along with their dialogue in ME3, but it it still felt as if it arose from reaction to the characters rather than a natural evolution of their character arcs.

 

I think Liara and Kaidan shacking up would have worked better, out of all the potential crewmate pairings.

[Nayawk]

Big fan of NPC having a life outside of the PC, that includes all levels of relationships between themselves (from hate to love) and with other non companion NPCs.  It gives the game life and depth and stops the companions from just feeling like cardboard cut outs who are frozen unless the PC is near them.

[Han Shot First]

Big fan of NPC having a life outside of the PC, that includes all levels of relationships between themselves (from hate to love) and with other non companion NPCs.  It gives the game life and depth and stops the companions from just feeling like cardboard cut outs who are frozen unless the PC is near them.

 

I'd also like a scene where the entire crew interacts. I was half-expecting that in Mass Effect 3 when I first saw that poker table aboard the Normandy, but sadly we had to wait for the Citadel DLC to get a scene where they all interact.

 

Hopefully it is also much better executed than DA:I's scene where most of the characters play Wicked Grace, which was both clumsy and awkward at times. The separate focus on each character laughing at a corny joke was almost painful. The Witcher 3 handled a similar scene much better than DA:I. If ME:A has a scene where the entire crew interacts, I'd rather it had more in common with the latter.

[Killdren88]

I'd also like a scene where the entire crew interacts. I was half-expecting that in Mass Effect 3 when I first saw that poker table aboard the Normandy, but sadly we had to wait for the Citadel DLC to get a scene where they all interact.

Hopefully it is also much better executed than DA:I's scene where most of the characters play Wicked Grace, which was both clumsy and awkward at times. The separate focus on each character laughing at a corny joke was almost painful. The Witcher 3 handled a similar scene much better than DA:I. If ME:A has a scene where the entire crew interacts, I'd rather it had more in common with the latter.

Agreed, I was totally expecting to walk in on like Samantha, Liara And Gabby playing Strip poker with Donnelly and they were all fully clothed while he was only in his boxers.

[themikefest]

I'd also like a scene where the entire crew interacts. I was half-expecting that in Mass Effect 3 when I first saw that poker table aboard the Normandy, but sadly we had to wait for the Citadel DLC to get a scene where they all interact.

After Rannoch, Vega and Alenko are seen at the poker table playing

[Altair_ShepardN7]

As long as it's not exaggerated I'm okay with it. I don't want everyone to make a line in front of my cabin in order to receive counsel about who should they bang, who should be their friend, etc (Unless we are a judge, a Dear Leader or something). 

[wright1978]

One of the things I've loved about ME3, was that you could influence crew relationships or watch the relationships develop naturally on their own.  A few examples come to mind:  If you didn't romance Tali or Garrus, those two develop a relationship in ME3 (it starts in ME2).  Gabriella Daniels and Kenneth Donnelly (I think they make the best couple!), Liara and Javik could develop a friendship.  EDI and Joker...

 

In ME:A, would be have the same power to influence relationships? Causing people to either get together, break up, become friends, or totally make former friends become enemies?  Or could we see some relationships naturally develop on their own?  

 

I'd like to see a sprinkling of this but not a deluge. Think it works best when player has say in whether it develops(that doesn't have to be directly like the EDI-Joker one but indirectly by not pursuing x or not saving y).

[Helios969]

Or maybe there are people on the crew who don't get along at all, so you can't put them in the field together because they won't cooperate with each other.

A person like that would never be allowed on a team of such importance. Only professionals that can put personal feelings aside. But there would be nothing wrong with off mission conflict/tension.

[Annos Basin]

I've usually been unlucky with other characters' romances. In DA2 I wanted to see Isabela and Merril together, in DAI Varric and Dagna (I still haven't played Trespasser, but maybe I shouldn't expect their canon announcement too much), in Mass Effect I seriously shipped Liara and Javik more than anyone with Shepard, and Kelly/Jack might had been ok.

 

Though it's (kind of) good to see they live freely, without my meddling advices... (Putting the vice in an advice...) Of course in Bw game it's always fun to get to comment about anything you hear of, even when you don't get to councel them.

 

Everyone there has some kinds of private live and it's all just a matter of whether we get to hear about them. Preferably we get, but in most cases that's probably not likely. (One of my favorite things in Metal Gear Solids have been how gossipy Snake can be. Not every protagonist needs to be like that but in that case it was rather funny. So well informed.) While I don't think enmity has a real place among professional group, seeing rivalries and maybe some really mundane average grudges forming gradually in front of your eyes and hearing some bickering sounds interesting and very realistic, in addition to friendships. Variant views and stories and relations.

[BraveVesperia]

I'm more interested in seeing characters form strong friendships as the game progresses. The development of Joker and EDI's friendship in ME2 was great, or Tali/Legion over the course of ME2/3, or Liara/Javik.

 

If they do go for romances/hook-ups, I think it should have a little prior build-up like Ken/Gabby. I'd also like for it to just happen. Or give us an option to say "do whatever you want to" if a character asks our opinion. I wasn't really a fan of having to decide for Joker whether he's going to hit on EDI or not. I ain't the Love Doctor, Joker. Besides, I always like it when there's a third option. Hopefully ME:A will have more than two dialogue options anyway (more like the DA series than ME3 in that regard).

[N7Jamaican]

I just think it gives the game more life and personality for NPCs to be given interests other than waiting for us.

[Milana]

If only Bioware knew how to write them, i might have been on board with promoting npc relationships, especially s/s ones.  For me they all seemed creepy/abusive or just plain boring.

[N7Jamaican]

If only Bioware knew how to write them, i might have been on board with promoting npc relationships, especially s/s ones.  For me they all seemed creepy/abusive or just plain boring.

 

Seems like there are new writers on board with Andromeda. I hope, they could write them better than they did in ME3.  I'll say this, ME3 was a decent step forward.

[rapscallioness]

I'm more interested in seeing characters form strong friendships as the game progresses. The development of Joker and EDI's friendship in ME2 was great, or Tali/Legion over the course of ME2/3, or Liara/Javik.

 

If they do go for romances/hook-ups, I think it should have a little prior build-up like Ken/Gabby. I'd also like for it to just happen. Or give us an option to say "do whatever you want to" if a character asks our opinion. I wasn't really a fan of having to decide for Joker whether he's going to hit on EDI or not. I ain't the Love Doctor, Joker. Besides, I always like it when there's a third option. Hopefully ME:A will have more than two dialogue options anyway (more like the DA series than ME3 in that regard).

 

 

I'm very much in favor of this  type of squadmate dynamic and growth. Some squaddies, ofc, get along, although I'd prefer they were more formal initially--if they don't know each other. Then as the game progresses, those squaddies become good friends with each other.

 

And ofc, there are some ppl that are just not going to get along with each other. I expect them to be professional enough that I can take them out on the missions I need them on, but they can snipe at each other. I'd like that. I'd also like to see them, if possible, form at least a begrudging respect for each other as the game progresses.

 

As for them romancing each other, I don't care about that. It's a waste of resources as far as I'm concerned. And I certainly don't want to be dragged into the middle of sum stuff like with Edi and Joker. Hey, if you don;t romance them, then maybe you find out down the line that one of them has "someone back home". And another one met someone at one of the hub worlds--some minor npc.

 

Actually, I'd like to see more minor npc's that are mentioned to be married or involved.  But only a few. I mean, not everybody is all hooked up with somebody.

[Kevinc62]

I love NPC relationships and I hope we get tons of them. I know some people don't like too much romance, but come on, Mass Effect is already General Hospital in space, might as well go for it.

The only one I didn't like was EDI and Joker, they were good apart, but it was creepy as hell. I also never saw Dorian and Iron Bull, since Dorian is mine 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I would much rather prefer that they don't do any NPC couplings. They lessened my enjoyment of the past games slightly.