Maybe it's just me but the fact that Solas created the Viel, shouldnt that blow a huge hole in chantry/andrastian lore? Not even mentioning the fact about titans and elvhen and the earth. So did this basically come out and say yup there is no maker and the old gods were actually the banished elves posing as dragons trying to be released from there prisons?
Just some food for thought.
I'd love to hear what you guys think.
Whoa, whoa, who said the Old Gods are banished elven god-kings? All I ever heard on the subject from Solas was that nothing connected the Old God dragons to the elves.
In any case, the revelations of Trespasser don't entirely dispute Chantry doctrine. Yes, the Maker didn't create the Veil, but the elves didn't will the world into existence. Even the Dalish faith claimed that the elven gods were born from the world, and that the world existed before elves.
As well, there's still no explanation for what the Golden City/Black City is or was. There could still be a Maker, and he could feasibly have spoken to Andraste.
Andrastianism never denied the existence of other "gods," it merely places the Maker above them all.
Don't very it's very easy to bend religion to your needs. Religion purpose is just to control slaves and keep peasant's distracted from real problems and hard life by promising happiness after they die. They just say Solas some random elf who pretending to be Fen'Harel to control elf's.
What we've learned in Trespasser hurts the Dalish faith way more than the Chantry.
Hurts? I'd say it destroys the Dalish faith. Seeing as everything they believe is made up.
Modifié par Kantr, 16 septembre 2015 - 09:50 .
It destroys the Dalish faith. Everything the believe is made up.
I agree with some of those points but the maker Wasnt "discovered" until andraste so thats after everything the elvhen and solas did, what about the Titans being the 4 pillars of the earth. i think this hurts the chantry very signifcantly. Of coarse the Dalish religion is now toast
Also just thinking out loud. But could the black city not be arlathan? where solas imprisoned the Elvhen gods? and they had the power to call to the tevienters to try and help them escape, thus releaseing the blight solas left as a trap for anyone who tried?
Technically, Andraste didn't preach that people should worship a new god; she advocated a RETURN to worship of the Maker. People had worshipped the Maker long ago, but the Old Gods of Tevinter turned mortals away from the Maker.
I agree with some of those points but the maker Wasnt "discovered" until andraste so thats after everything the elvhen and solas did, what about the Titans being the 4 pillars of the earth. i think this hurts the chantry very signifcantly. Of coarse the Dalish religion is now toast
How does the Dwarven history affect the Chantry? They always considered them farther away from the Maker because they couldn't access the Fade in dreams and now they can say the Dwarves are twice removed from the Maker.
How does the Dwarven history affect the Chantry? They always considered them farther away from the Maker because they couldn't access the Fade in dreams and now they can say the Dwarves are twice removed from the Maker.
Because this means dwarven and elfish history and gods predates the chantry and the belief in the maker. I'm not saying its a fact just throwing around interesting thoughts that make sense to me.
Technically, Andraste didn't preach that people should worship a new god; she advocated a RETURN to worship of the Maker. People had worshipped the Maker long ago, but the Old Gods of Tevinter turned mortals away from the Maker.
OK so who worshiped the Maker before?
What we've learned in Trespasser hurts the Dalish faith way more than the Chantry.
Hurts? I'd say it destroys the Dalish faith. Seeing as everything they believe is made up.
I agree with some of those points but the maker Wasnt "discovered" until andraste so thats after everything the elvhen and solas did, what about the Titans being the 4 pillars of the earth. i think this hurts the chantry very signifcantly. Of coarse the Dalish religion is now toast
Also just thinking out loud. But could the black city not be arlathan? where solas imprisoned the Elvhen gods? and they had the power to call to the tevienters to try and help them escape, thus releaseing the blight solas left as a trap for anyone who tried?
Because this means dwarven and elfish history and gods predates the chantry and the belief in the maker. I'm not saying its a fact just throwing around interesting thoughts that make sense to me.
I don't see how that affect the Chantry, they never denied that the Stone or the Elven Gods ever existed. In fact, the Chant of Light is basically a creation myth for the Fade, the spirits, the earth and "men" (that isn't contradicted by anything so far) and an explanation for the First Blight (which is quite accurate) along a standard moral code (aka killing, lying and stealing is bad).
Also, there are passage in the Chant of Light that basically talks about the Titans (called men of stone immense).
OK so who worshiped the Maker before?
There was an old Tevinter cult that worshipped the Maker before the Old Gods became the state religion.
What I took away from Trespasser with regard to Gods & faith was this:
The Back City which is visible in the fade is the shattered remnants of the Elven Empire & that the Golden City, the Seat of The Maker, was nothing more than a myth. Cory spoke the truth when he said that there was nothing there, that it wasn't golden, because Solas's spell had already destroyed the place, so I think, although it hasn't been (& probably won't be) confirmed, Trespasser confirms there never was a Maker.
Just my thoughts.
Did it "affect the Chantry" when it turns out the Inquisitor is not a Herald of Andraste blessed by the Maker after all, but instead a regular joe who got lucky with an Elven Orb?
Did it stop Cassandra from still claiming that the Maker meant for the Quizzy to have this Elven power?
No?
There's your answer.
The last time I checked the Catholic Church continued to exist, even after people were able to fly above the clouds without finding "Heaven" there.
And with nearly every other "god" being more or less fraud (High dragons, elven mages, quasi living tectonic plates); depending on how you define "god", of course; the chantry can boast with the only non-disproved creator god.
Given the fact that BioWare said that they would never shine a light on the fact if the Maker is real or not, I would say the chantry is off the hook.
The last time I checked the catholic church continued to exist, even after people were able to fly above the clouds without finding "Heaven" there.
And with nearly every other "god" being more or less fraud (High dragons, elven mages, quasi living tectonic plates); depending on how you define "god", of course; the chantry can boast with the only non-disproved creator god.
Given the fact that BioWare said that they would never shine a light on the fact if the Maker is real or not, I would say the chantry is off the hook.
New writer, Patrick can easily change that.
New writer, Patrick can easily change that.
Sure, but I can't see the future. I have to argue with the informations I have at the moment. 
Chantry doesn't give a crap about the truth
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What I took away from Trespasser with regard to Gods & faith was this:
The Back City which is visible in the fade is the shattered remnants of the Elven Empire & that the Golden City, the Seat of The Maker, was nothing more than a myth. Cory spoke the truth when he said that there was nothing there, that it wasn't golden, because Solas's spell had already destroyed the place, so I think, although it hasn't been (& probably won't be) confirmed, Trespasser confirms there never was a Maker.
Just my thoughts.
Writers have already went on record as saying they'd never prove or refute the Maker's existence, so I don't think it confirms anything beyond what a person wants it to.
The Creators were real; the Forgotten Ones were real; Fen'Harel is real. There was a war. The Creators were sealed away by Fen'Harel. Arlathan existed. Ancient elves were immortal.
Yeah, I'm not seeing how they were wrong about everything.
It's not like the Dalish thought the Creators were sunshine and rainbows; about the war between the Creators and the Forgotten Ones, Merill points out that the Dalish don't know which side was in the right or which side struck first in the war.
For one... None of them were gods.
For another.... all the gods were slavers.
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