I can't see the elves following him if he's going around claiming to be the Dread Wolf. Does the epilogue actually say he's told people he's the Dread Wolf? He could just be recruiting them all as Solas.
Yeah, my point exactly. I don't think he had informed everyone (if anyone at all) about his true identity and\or plans. He could have recruited some as his agents, but most Elves are very likely to just follow the rumors and run for a better life in desperation.
Yeah, my point exactly. I don't think he had informed everyone (if anyone at all) about his true identity and\or plans. He could have recruited some as his agents, but most Elves are very likely to just follow the rumors and run for a better life in desperation.
Ah well, I agree then.
I'm 100% certain he hasn't told them about the end results of his plans. Since it involves most of them dying, too. He made no mentions of exceptions for elves in the chaos that would follow the veil being torn down.
Hopefully the elves aren't scrawny 15 year olds in the next game cuz i really wanna play as one and, how do you say it..... Django Unchain him
That's basically true in reality, yeah. But to the Dalish, he's basically elfy satan who screwed them all over when he sealed their gods away out of spite and lulz.
The funny thing is that dalish legends about Fen'Harel are closer to the truth that we'd be led to believe during the main game: Solas did seal their gods away, and their magical civilization did collapse as a result.
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I'm 100% certain he hasn't told them about the end results of his plans. Since it involves most of them dying, too. He made no mentions of exceptions for elves in the chaos that would follow the veil being torn down.
Or perhaps he did warn them, but said that the Eluvian network would carry them to havens where they'd be safe while the rest of the world burned.
The slide doesn't specifically mention city or Dalish elves and considering that Solas refuses the help of an elven inquisitor, I don't see him accepting or seeking the aid of those he doesn't even think of as his people. Those disappearing could very well be ancient elves that have been acting as agents/spies for Fen'Harel. He certainly admits that he has spies within the Inquisition during the last scene. I imagine he's simply marshaling his forces in preparation for his next move.
Elves in this setting like to follow or server someone.
Before they were slaves to evanuris then the imperium and so on.
That's basically true in reality, yeah. But to the Dalish, he's basically elfy satan who screwed them all over when he sealed their gods away out of spite and lulz. I can't see the elves following him if he's going around claiming to be the Dread Wolf. Does the epilogue actually say he's told people he's the Dread Wolf? He could just be recruiting them all as Solas.
Plus, elves literately have more biological advantage in a veil-free world. What's more, to most elves they have nothing to lose due to their social circumstances, thus they're more easy to be encouraged(or manipulated) when a extremely powerful figure shows up, Marks said the best: "The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win."
He's the trickster God for a reason. He'll make them think they matter and they'll survive and then he'll use them all for some blood sacrifice.
I imagine Briala ruling Orlais and Clan Lavellan governing Wycome could be cutting into the numbers of elves who may have otherwise followed Solas, since their situations aren't hopeless.
Can't see Briala having much impact. In her ruling through Gaspard ending, she'll likely lose power given she's lost access to the Eluvians.
In the variant where's she's crawled on her belly back into the elf klillers bed, she's not likely to have any authority left over followers.
All this also ignores possibility that she might join ranks of Solas' rebellion.
Can't see Briala having much impact. In her ruling through Gaspard ending, she'll likely lose power given she's lost access to the Eluvians.
In the variant where's she's crawled on her belly back into the elf klillers bed, she's not likely to have any authority left over followers.
All this also ignores possibility that she might join ranks of Solas' rebellion.
I imagine Briala ruling Orlais and Clan Lavellan governing Wycome could be cutting into the numbers of elves who may have otherwise followed Solas, since their situations aren't hopeless.
You know what could be interesting?
Introducing in DA4 something similar to ME3's TMS score that takes into account how "elf-friendly" previous games walkthrough were.
For instance:
etc, etc, etc...
The higher the score, the greater the number of Elves who'll think "Why should we join the Dread Wolf when things are finally starting to really improve?" thus impeding Solas' capacity to enact his apocalyptic plan.
The Eluvians aren't the reason Briala has control over Orlais if the elven Inquisitor supported her, so their loss shouldn't change the fact that she is still the shadow ruler of the empire.
So fact that Inquisitor & inquisition are now no more or a glorified honour guard doesn't change the situation either.
Whatever the elven Inquisitor did , I imagine it won't matter much.(for practical annoying reasons , Wycome as an elven city state doesn't matter , it's not recorded in the Keep .Could be added later though)
And anyway it seems the action will go north , there's a huge population of elven slaves , where Dalish don't go and don't spread tales of Fen Harel :Tevinter!
Elven slaves and probably elven artifact the magisters of old stole from ruins , Solas's future favorite candyshop!
And now go there as the Elven Inquisitor and try to convince those slaves you're a better solution than Solas.
You're not.If the magisters (and their fondness for slavery) fall , the Qunari will get a foothold in the north.
An slave uprising right now would be terrible .
Besides the Inquisitor doesn't even have the force of the Inquisition behind him , it's disbanded or in service of the Chantry.
So you'd need an official call to arm from Divine Victoria , also not happening.
Solas has the "A Wizard Did it" thing going on , he wants to blow up the world , he doesn't need to be subtle .He doesn't matter if he opens up a way letting Qunari invade later , there won't be a later in his scenario.
The slide doesn't specifically mention city or Dalish elves and considering that Solas refuses the help of an elven inquisitor, I don't see him accepting or seeking the aid of those he doesn't even think of as his people. Those disappearing could very well be ancient elves that have been acting as agents/spies for Fen'Harel. He certainly admits that he has spies within the Inquisition during the last scene. I imagine he's simply marshaling his forces in preparation for his next move.
A very powerful being comes in, sympathizes with the plight of your people, and says he plans to crush those who oppress your people and to offer you and your people a paradise (or at least, a world closer to a paradise than it is currently).
I can easily see Dalish and City Elves flocking to him, whether they believe him to be the Dread Wolf or not, and if they do, then they have probably decided to drop the negative interpretations of him or just stopped caring and want the new world.
Edit: Of course not all Dalish or City Elves will follow him, not all Dalish are the same and not all City Elves want the destruction of the World and many may look to the Maker for their paradise, not a "false prophet."
So fact that Inquisitor & inquisition are now no more or a glorified honour guard doesn't change the situation either.
You know what could be interesting?
Introducing in DA4 something similar to ME3's TMS score that takes into account how "elf-friendly" previous games walkthrough were.
For instance:
- The Warden was a CIty/Dalish/Magi Elf: the Elfscore increases by 1
- Zathrian clan's survived: Elfscore increases by 2
- Slave trade in Denerim stopped: +3
- Elf Warden survived Blight and became a powerful lord: +1
- Hawke romanced Merrill/Fenris: +1
- Kirkwall's serial killer slain: +2
- Merrill clan survived: +3
- Inquisitor is Dalish: +1
- Inquisition earned the trust of Hawen's clan in the Exalted plain: +2
- Briala either shadow ruler of Orlais or Marquess of the Dales: +4
- Clan Lavellan becomes kingmakers in Wycome: +2
- Inquisition allied itself with the sentinels instead of fighting them: +2
etc, etc, etc...
The higher the score, the greater the number of Elves who'll think "Why should we join the Dread Wolf when things are finally starting to really improve?" thus impeding Solas' capacity to enact his apocalyptic plan.
Everyone is missing the point. This thread is asking why do the elves BELIEVE this is the real Fen'harel rather than a ridiculous rumor.
It says "servants" as well as those affiliated with the Inquisition. They're all modern elves.
Solas hasn't promised a damn thing. They just assume he'll do something for them.
"When did I say that I would save you" - Solas quote from The Slow Arrow. He's great with lies of omission that way.
He doesn't need to tell them the whole truth. He's a scholarly manipulator. Not only will they believe what he tells them, he only needs to tell a small portion.
Even the dialogue he has with the inquisitor rarely has lies. They just lack the proper context. "I grew up in a small village to the north" - Lel finds it, and it's a long-dead ruin.
The only real lie he hammers is that everything he has observed was recreated memories in the Fade, rather than personal experience. (Some of them still would be: he was asleep for Ostagar.) But even for his personal memories, the Fade and the mundane plane were the same place. So every person experience may as well be remembering the Fade.
Yeah, needless semantics, I know.
Plus, Kirkwall's Qunari have shown that the promise of a better life is enough. I doubt that many, if ANY, of the elves under Solas' banner are Dalish.
Which wasn't the reason Gaspard capitulated to Briala, so I don't see your point. It's not like the evidence against him would've evaporated into thin air.
Yet the epilogues state that open rebellion is only being held back by fear/respect of the inquisitor/inquisition. With the inquisition dead or diminished and the inquisitor diminished, she's lost a key support strut in retaining power. The evidence is rather meaningless as if she has to deploy it she's lost and without the inquisition she's unlikely to be able to stop a frustrated Gaspard or any of the other nobles who despise her.
Everyone is missing the point. This thread is asking why do the elves BELIEVE this is the real Fen'harel rather than a ridiculous rumor.
He can turn people into stone with a snap, that's something.
Yet the epilogues state that open rebellion is only being held back by fear/respect of the inquisitor/inquisition. With the inquisition dead or diminished and the inquisitor diminished, she's lost a key support strut in retaining power. The evidence is rather meaningless as if she has to deploy it she's lost and without the inquisition she's unlikely to be able to stop a frustrated Gaspard or any of the other nobles who despise her.
The Epilogue addressed the nobles of the court, not Gaspard specifically. There's nothing to indicate she automatically loses her position of power without Inquisition support.
The epilogues state the inquisition is the major factor in her survival.
It seems utterly reasonable imo to conclude she'll be on borrowed time once it is disbanded/disfanged.
Could be Gaspard himself that to save himself from the nobles he has to turn on her or the nobles dragging both of them down
Plus, elves literately have more biological advantage in a veil-free world. What's more, to most elves they have nothing to lose due to their social circumstances, thus they're more easy to be encouraged(or manipulated) when a extremely powerful figure shows up, Marks said the best: "The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win."
Who are you kidding most of them will serve the few masters just like before. Could be DA4 is going dark? Back to the blood baths for many of them.
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