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[Cobra's_back]

"When did I say that I would save you" - Solas quote from The Slow Arrow. He's great with lies of omission that way.

 

A born politician he is. The Elves have no idea what he plans to do with them. I have to say he is an excellent villain.

[Qun00]

He can turn people into stone with a snap, that's something.

The elves don't know that.

[LobselVith8]

The epilogues state the inquisition is the major factor in her survival.
It seems utterly reasonable imo to conclude she'll be on borrowed time once it is disbanded/disfanged.
Could be Gaspard himself that to save himself from the nobles he has to turn on her or the nobles dragging both of them down

Intimidating the nobles isn't the same as stripping Briala of all her power and authority; she still has it even when the elven Inquisitor doesn't have high court approval.

[wright1978]

Intimidating the nobles isn't the same as stripping Briala of all her power and authority; she still has it even when the elven Inquisitor doesn't have high court approval.

Even with low court approval the inquisitor still has power and a huge army.
Which after trespasser they do not have anymore.

[Iakus]

Why do humans follow the Order of the Fiery Promise?

[Steelcan]

why are we so sure he's not telling his followers the whole story just because he lied by omission to us?  The organization that he didn't anticipate because his plans went awry?

 

His backstory as Fen'Harel made it pretty clear that he has a history as rebel leader going into impossible battles against an overwhelming foe.  Ignoring the obvious romaticism that would almost certainly appeal to the Dalish, he's promising the end of human domination, and humans in general, that's probably a very popular message.

[Qun00]

why are we so sure he's not telling his followers the whole story just because he lied by omission to us? The organization that he didn't anticipate because his plans went awry?

Because he doesn't want followers. This is a private party for ancient elves only.

[Cha0sEff3ct]

Which elves follow Solas? They make it sound like all the elves disappear across Thedas. Is it just the Dalish or even City Elves? It seems Sera didn't go, not like she would. If he's taking the elves why would he leave Lavellan?? Also from the ambient dialogue in Orlais wasn't Mythal speaking to some elves in dreams.

[Forsythia77]

Not really, more like a mix of Loki+Prometheus.

 

Lokimetheus? I'll never get this out of my head.  Gah!

 

As for Solas, you take an historically repressed and exploited people and put someone in front of them with enough Charisma who is offering promises of greatness, they will follow. Desperation leads you to do irrational things.  Dangle a carrot in front of a starving man and he'll grasp at it.

[LobselVith8]

Which elves follow Solas? They make it sound like all the elves disappear across Thedas. Is it just the Dalish or even City Elves? It seems Sera didn't go, not like she would. If he's taking the elves why would he leave Lavellan?? Also from the ambient dialogue in Orlais wasn't Mythal speaking to some elves in dreams.

I'd imagine it's desperate elves with no hope; I think that would leave out the Orlesian elves under Briala's rule, the Dalish under Wycome with Clan Lavellan governing, and possibly Kirkwall with the elven Comte (since I doubt the clans would remain in Skyhold without the Dalish protagonist, particularly if the Inquisition was dissolved).

[myahele]

Isn't there Arlethvhen, a once a decade meeting of all Dalish Clans, happening soon? That might atleast explain the Dalish elves.

 

Otherwise, I really can't see most Dalish clans following Fen'harel. That's like christians following a person claiming to be Satan.

 

At most, I can see the Dalish actively try to break the Evanuris free once they find out that they truly do exists via Fen'harel mere existance

[ModernAcademic]

Elven glory

 

ROFL

[Kakistos_]

I think it would be wise to take this epilogue point, and all other epilogues if we are going by history, with a grain of salt. Not all Elves are the same. I'm sure there will be many that do follow Fen'harel just as I am sure there will be many who don't. Take the Qunari Elves for example. They saw first hand the remnants of their Ancient Culture come back to life in the Eluvian's and yet did not flinch from their Qunari beliefs. A Lavellan Inquisitor and the Vir'abelasan don't seem to have an effect on them either. We should also consider the reputation Fen'harel has among the Dalish.

 

I'm sure some Dalish would overlook this but there could be many that don't. Someone previously mentioned Mythal whispering to Elves in their sleep. It seems to me, given their different roles, that if the Elves were given a choice between the two they would go with Mythal. And for all we know, Mythal is not out of the picture yet. Flemeth has come back from the dead before and The Vir'abelasan was explicitly tied to her and still exist via Morrigan or the Inquisitor.

 

Lavellan in her/his own right a major figure among Elves, more so if they drank from the Well of Sorrows, or at least they should be in my opinion as that whole chapter has thus far been ignored but I don't see how it doesn't factor in at some point. I imagine that an Elven Inquisitor, particularly one who drank from the Vir'abelasan  would have some sway among Elves. I find it interesting that an Elven Inquisitor is opposed to Fen'harel by default... My guess is that when it comes down to who's side the Elves are on there will be a few factions who's numbers and strength depend on the factors mentioned above.

[rx00]

The elves don't know that.

 

He can sure show them though. My point is his power at this point is pretty tremendous, so he may use this advantage to gain his subjects' trust.

 

"Pfft, if you're a god, I dare you turn this cup of water to wine!"

 

"Winery and age?"

[Dancing_Dolphin]

He's the trickster God for a reason. He'll make them think they matter and they'll survive and then he'll use them all for some blood sacrifice.

He certainly doesn't have any reservations when it comes to using people, though I hope you're wrong about the blood sacrifice.

I was thinking he may simply need people to throw at the Inquisitor seeing as how no matter what, the game ends with the Inquisition trying to find Fen'Harel. Which would be particularly rough on an elven Inquisitor because what would be more demoralizing than having to fight you own people.

[LobselVith8]

Isn't there Arlethvhen, a once a decade meeting of all Dalish Clans, happening soon? That might atleast explain the Dalish elves.

It should have happened by the time of Inquisition, outside Halamshiral.

Otherwise, I really can't see most Dalish clans following Fen'harel. That's like christians following a person claiming to be Satan.

At most, I can see the Dalish actively try to break the Evanuris free once they find out that they truly do exists via Fen'harel mere existance

If they find out the Evanuris murdered Mythal and that Asha'bellanar was a fragment of Mythal, I'm not so sure they would.

[Drasanil]

If they find out the Evanuris murdered Mythal and that Asha'bellanar was a fragment of Mythal, I'm not so sure they would.

 

Meh. Dead Mythal is yesterday's news. Who cares when you can get Elgar'nan back. 

[Mr.House]

Elgar'nan's a dick, get Adruil so she can find a new plague to infect everyone with.

[Drasanil]

1 Elgar'nan's a dick, 2 get Adruil so she can find a new plague to infect everyone with.

 

1) I don't get it, you're saying it like that's a bad thing 

 

2) Andruil's a one trick pony, couldn't even become a proper terror with out the help of the Abyss. Even that loser Falon'din managed to be an arse on his own merits.

 

Proper gods don't need parlour tricks lord it over everyone else like a boss, just the pure strength of their Dickishness. Elgar'nan 2016 DA4!

[Wren]

A born politician he is. The Elves have no idea what he plans to do with them. I have to say he is an excellent villain.

But, weren't all of the Dalish stories already proven to be untrue about the nature and character of the Elven Gods?  Why would this story be any different?

[ollyollyoxenfree]

It seems to me that the Elves were doomed as a race in the long term. Even if their birthrate is the same as humans they have a much higher death rate. DA2 showed that humans don't care too much when Elves get murdered in general and each Alienage purge would be a big drop in population. The Dalish have to survive a harsh nomadic lifestyle and weather attacks from human settlements they pass. In all three DA games you have a chance to wipe entire clans out. Add to this some attrition due to elves marrying or otherwise breeding with non-elves both among the Dalish and the city Elves.

 

Dealing with Fen'Harel (or somebody who has taken on the name, if you don't believe) might be the Thedosian equivalent of a deal with the devil but the death of dwindling modern elves might seem acceptable if it meant the race as a whole avoids extinction. Add the bonus that the race will be restored to immortality and gain the power they had at their height and the deal seems even better. 

[DuskWanderer]

Probably because the elves think it can't get much worse. 

[LobselVith8]

But, weren't all of the Dalish stories already proven to be untrue about the nature and character of the Elven Gods? Why would this story be any different?

Actually, the Dalish stories note how petulant some of the Creators could be. I don't know why some people think the Dalish assume it's all sunshine and rainbows with the elven gods. Even Merrill notes how wrathful Mythal could be.

[Arakat]

 

You know what could be interesting?

Introducing in DA4 something similar to ME3's TMS score that takes into account how "elf-friendly" previous games walkthrough were.

 

For instance:

• The Warden was a CIty/Dalish/Magi Elf: the Elfscore increases by 1
• Zathrian's clan survived: Elfscore increases by 2
• Slave trade in Denerim stopped: +3
• Elf Warden survived Blight and became a powerful lord: +1
• Hawke romanced Merrill/Fenris: +1
• Kirkwall's serial killer slain: +2
• Merrill clan survived: +3
• Inquisitor is Dalish: +1
• Inquisition earned the trust of Hawen's clan in the Exalted plain: +2
• Briala either shadow ruler of Orlais or Marquess of the Dales: +4
• Clan Lavellan becomes kingmakers in Wycome: +2
• Inquisition allied itself with the sentinels instead of fighting them: +2 

 

etc, etc, etc...

 

The higher the score, the greater the number of Elves who'll think "Why should we join the Dread Wolf when things are finally starting to really improve?" thus impeding Solas' capacity to enact his apocalyptic plan.

 

 

Haha, I'd have max Elfscore, then. Take that, Solas!

 

No, seriously, this is an amazing idea.

 

It's more likely that progress made towards improving lives for the Southern Thedas elves will be reverted due to Solas and his doomsday elven cult if they start doing bad things.

So I expect things will be the same regardless of past choices that impacted elves.

 

I fear that this is exactly what will happen  My city elf Warden will probably want to strangle Solas herself.