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[Mathias]

Woah where is all this aggresion at the OP coming from, he's expressing his frustration without attacking anyone in particular and everyone is attacking him? 

 

That is a good question, but I guess some people are just jerks.

 

 

 

I for one do play RPGs to escape from reality, because reality is harsh. Not always, but working 40-50 hours a week while constantly hearing bad news about the world buzzing about puts stress on me mentality sometimes. That's why we have our hobbies to relax and feel mentally refreshed. Playing video games like Mass Effect and Dragon Age helps me take my imagination to another world and live a separate life almost. I love it. It's also why I have such vitriol hatred for ME3's ending. I hate it for how nonsensical it is, and I hate it for how cruel it is.

 

While I don't see eye to eye with OP's interpretation of the ending, I completely understand his mindset, and I wish some people in this thread would at least not show him disrespect, even if they don't agree. The guy's just sad.

[Rappeldrache]

That is a good question, but I guess some people are just jerks.

 

 

I for one do play RPGs to escape from reality, because reality is harsh. Not always, but working 40-50 hours a week while constantly hearing bad news about the world buzzing about puts stress on me mentality sometimes. That's why we have our hobbies to relax and feel mentally refreshed. Playing video games like Mass Effect and Dragon Age helps me take my imagination to another world and live a separate life almost. I love it. It's also why I have such vitriol hatred for ME3's ending. I hate it for how nonsensical it is, and I hate it for how cruel it is.

 

While I don't see eye to eye with OP's interpretation of the ending, I completely understand his mindset, and I wish some people in this thread would at least not show him disrespect, even if they don't agree. The guy's just sad.

 

  Thanks! My feelings, too. Thanks a lot!

 

I understand the OP really really really. I'm not sad about the same things like him / her, but: I'm terrible pissed about no possibility to remake my characters look. Loosing the arm was ok, great DLC, great story.

But they destroy my characters look and give me no single chance to "remake" it AFTER THE ENDING. Just a little chance of a "cosmetic remake". And a lot of people care about this, but if they write here in the forum there are suddenly 5 or 6 "Fans" who "write them down".

(I spend days and weeks to create my characters ... I was fighting with mods and sliders and pics and .... just for nothing )

 

- I'm really pissed because they have taken my tough Cousland-Lady and made her "missing in action" in DAI. And her husband Alistair is sitting at home and is "sad".

- I'm really pissed because they have taken Hawke and made her missing in action in Weißhaupt, Fenris sitting at home and becoming mad.

- I'm really pissed because they killed my Shepard .... and because it was regardless how you played before. And a MOD had to save the whole Mass Effect - Trilogy for a lot of people.

 

A few people care about their heros, a few not. But the people who don't care have NOTHING to lose if Bioware would make a bit what "Happy-End-Fans are saying". They don't demand just Happy-Endings. They demand CHOICE's: So every player can choose his / hers personal destiny for the hero. Of course one opinion should be a Happy-End. And Bioware should NOT destroy this player-decision in their next game!

 

I can't see a single Happy-End possibility from Bioware, till Baldurs Gate. This is really upsetting ..... I'm really, really fearful what they will do with the Inquisitor in Part 4.

 

I hope: One day a nother company discover the potential of RPG's with lot of story, companions, romance and so on. And if this company offers the possiblity of a Happy ending, I'm sure a lot of customers of Bioware are gone. And than, a lot of people will be very surprised how many Happy-End-Fans there have been.

Little tip: More customers - more money - better game. If you want to have a good game - try to make as many gamers / customers happy as possible!

 

 

PS: Sounds a bit strange, but: The DLC is still good. And DAI ist the best RPG I ever played in my whole life!

[RFA Veracious]

And than AGAIN the customers / moders have to "save the game" for a lot of people (not all!). Hello ME3, not again ..... Would be a confession of failure for Bioware. 

 

 

Bioware / the game(s) have a lot of fans who wishes a "Happy Ending" possibility. Bioware / the game have also a lot of fans who wishes a sad / horrible ending. And also people who just say: Bioware, surprise me.

I don't want to insult Bioware, hope this sounds not to harsh (sorry): A good game developer find a possibility to make as many people happy as possible. But until now Bioware wasn't really good in "Making Happy-Ending-Fans" happy. To be honest, the last game when Bioware made a "REAL" Haypp-End was Baldurs Gate.

 

Trespasser was good, but ALSO depressing: We / I lost Solas as friend (he betray my character, and I even was NOT romancing him), Solas wants to destroy the world, Inquisition is "gone" like it was before, the people you saved are as.sholes somehow (Ferelden & Orlais), you lose your mark (what "makes" you to the Inquisitor) and ... you lose your hand. And yes: Most of your companions are "gone". Ok, Skyhold is not gone, but you can't visit it anymore. Gives the feeling of "it is gone, too".

 

If you look to older games, Bioware isn't really good in "Happy Endings". Even if something make the imrpession of an Happy Ending (DA:O), it isn't. They destroy this Happy Ending in the next game ....   I repeat myself:

 

DA:O = Hero lost in action

DA2 = Hero lost in action (world is exploding around you)

DAI = I wrote what happen to our Hero above

ME 1-3 = Hero dead

 

 

 

 

And this is one of the reason why a lot of customer / gamer don't write here in the Official Forum their opinion. I have to defend Bioware: So HOW could Bioware even make a correct impression what their customers wishes, if some people don't stop insulting other people for their game-wishes and opinions?

Or make stupid jokes whitch reduce the Thread-Maker and his / hers opinion. To deride people with other game opinions is not ok.

 

 

Its okay.. i dont often get a positive reply to my posts, because obviously my visions arent very popular.. its the story of my life really.

I didnt become 60 without growing a very thick skin against the reactions i provoke with my posts on diverse forums.

 

Anyway..

 

I really loved Inquisition...really did. its a good game.. just like ME3 was... even if most of what you do is totally useless if you want to influence the ending... and the cheap ways out for some situations are sometimes getting on me ******... but overall i loved ME3 as well as Inquisitiuon. Maybe it would have been fun to be able to refuse joining the Inquisitiion and end the game right there,...

 

In ME3 I thought that they could have done a better job if they made it so you could actually lose the war if you didnt do enough for it... I thought it was cheap to have Tali return if you had her exiled or not... just change the name from admiral in advisor and there you go... whats the punisment exile worth now then ?....wasnt that so you could NEVER return to your people ?... then whats Tali doing there ?... IMO it would have been better if decisions like that would have made it rather hard, if not impossible to get that migrant fleet now.. and lose to many fleets.. and you lose the war... same with Wrex... Killed Wrex on Virmire ?... never mind.. we put in his brother i have never seen before.. and same ol'  i didnt even know he HAD a brother....

 

Its a bit the same in Inquisition... it doesnt really matter if you killed Leliana or not at the temple of sacret ashes in Origins.... she returns anyway.... etc.. I am used to Bioware using cheap ways out of situations they dont know.. or cant find a decent solution for. I had fun playing Inquisition anyway.. i figured the way to it, was way more satisfying then the destination... but so be it...

 

Strtictly taken you dont have to do any of the quests next to the main story line, to get the same ending... and just cheat the things you need.. but where is the fun in that ?... Decent was cool... finally fighting darkspawn again... i didnt feel the world shaking besides literally... with the discovery's we made... but thats okay...

 

Its just.... After Trespasser i just got this overwhelming feeling of disapointment... not sure why... its a good setup for the next game, its a great story up to Trespasser.. its a diverse setting... they did everything right... but .... the end.,.. it just feels wrong and puts me off...

 

Or maybe.. just me...

 

I am not a happy ending guy per se... i am okay with my Gray warden dying in Origin... it still feels good.. I am okay with the world burning in DA2.. i did what i could for whats important to me... I always supported the templars..and i always saved Bethany... so it still felt good...

 

In Inquisition.,.. i killed Coryfifish... my own friends betray me.. i lose an arm,... i lose my position... i lose the Inquisition... It just doesnt feel right... to me... now what in a next playtrough ?... i know Bull is going to turn on me.. unless i romance him.. which is the last thing on my mind... so no use getting him.... i always disliked Solas.. and now i know why... so no use talking to him.,. trying to make him my friend... or taking him anywhere. Celine and Briala are back together and i ended the civil war... for what ?.... 

 

See where this is going ?...

 

If there is to be a next game.. Trespasser is the perfect setup. But then.,. whats the point of playing this one ?...Inquisition ?... So they can sell you the same story in a different color package again ?...

 

I believe anyone has the right to a different opinion... yes.,.. even if it opposites mine... but to me... this feels like a dissapointment is all...

[RFA Veracious]

  Thanks! My feelings, too. Thanks a lot!

 

I understand the OP really really really. I'm not sad about the same things like him / her, but: I'm terrible pissed about no possibility to remake my characters look. Loosing the arm was ok, great DLC, great story.

But they destroy my characters look and give me no single chance to "remake" it AFTER THE ENDING. Just a little chance of a "cosmetic remake". And a lot of people care about this, but if they write here in the forum there are suddenly 5 or 6 "Fans" who "write them down".

(I spend days and weeks to create my characters ... I was fighting with mods and sliders and pics and .... just for nothing )

 

- I'm really pissed because they have taken my tough Cousland-Lady and made her "missing in action" in DAI. And her husband Alistair is sitting at home and is "sad".

- I'm really pissed because they have taken Hawke and made her missing in action in Weißhaupt, Fenris sitting at home and becoming mad.

- I'm really pissed because they killed my Shepard .... and because it was regardless how you played before. And a MOD had to save the whole Mass Effect - Trilogy for a lot of people.

 

A few people care about their heros, a few not. But the people who don't care have NOTHING to lose if Bioware would make a bit what "Happy-End-Fans are saying". They don't demand just Happy-Endings. They demand CHOICE's: So every player can choose his / hers personal destiny for the hero. Of course one opinion should be a Happy-End. And Bioware should NOT destroy this player-decision in their next game!

 

I can't see a single Happy-End possibility from Bioware, till Baldurs Gate. This is really upsetting ..... I'm really, really frighting what they will do with the INquisitor in Part 4.

 

I hope: One day a nother company discover the potential of RPG's with lot of story, companions, romance and so on. And if this compnay offers the possiblity of a Happy ending, I'm sure a lot of customers of Bioware are gone. And than, a lot of people will be very surprised how many Happy-End-Fans there have been.

 

Little tip: More customers - more money - better game. If you want to have a good game - try to make as many gamers / customers happy as possible!

.

 

 

Yes... indeed... Choice is good... the more choices the better.... and stop ending games with damn slideshows.... they arent immercive in any way...

 

 

Sigh...

[Tython]

I understand where the Op is coming from. I disliked losing my hand but kept the Inquisition. All I did was lessen my forces to keep two kingdoms off my back while I work in the shadows to go after Solas and recruit more agents in Tevinter. Although, DAI ended, I feel the story is still ongoing.

 

My fear is the next game will have a hard time competing with this one. Unless my new character is Tevinter royalty, it will be a step down from ruling the Inquisition and passing judgment on people I defeat. It will likely be smaller in scope and work in the shadows of the ongoing war to the north. Also, unless Solas is the main enemy, any new adversary will be a joke. We'll always have in the back of our mind this guy out there trying to destroy the world...

[RFA Veracious]

Except with Mass Effect 3 it was the actual end of the trilogy. You could have your noncanon happy ending and it wouldn't really conflict with anything. Even if someone made the mod for DAI it wouldn't be cohesive with the next installment of the series, meaning you'll still have to deal with what happened, how it happened. What's the point?

 

 

I know its impossible in this game...  and i am not even a happy ending guy, per se.... but was it really so hard to give you the choice to refuse "Help" from Solas and just die ?.... If thats what would haved really happened ?... now that would have been, at least to me, a much happier ending....

[Heimdall]

I understand where the Op is coming from. I disliked losing my hand but kept the Inquisition. All I did was lessen my forces to keep two kingdoms off my back while I work in the shadows to go after Solas and recruit more agents in Tevinter. Although, DAI ended, I feel the story is still ongoing.

My fear is the next game will have a hard time competing with this one. Unless my new character is Tevinter royalty, it will be a step down from ruling the Inquisition and passing judgment on people I defeat. It will likely be smaller in scope and work in the shadows of the ongoing war to the north. Also, unless Solas is the main enemy, any new adversary will be a joke. We'll always have in the back of our mind this guy out there trying to destroy the world...

The last thing I want is another character commanding an organization in the next game. They don't need to "top" inquisition like that. I'd prefer a more low key story.

[RFA Veracious]

Just another day with the DrinkQuisition...

 

 

Horns up !...

[RFA Veracious]

*Blinks*

 

I think I'm going insane. I read the bolded part in the context that the reward for the game was stopping Corypheus, romancing him and making him divine.

 

Well.. if that was the case, nobody could complain about "choices". That would be the diplomatic route.

 

 

Agree.. it just that i never trusted guys in dresses....

[RFA Veracious]

I believe I get what the OP is saying.  I love the Dragon Age games - all of them.  But since finishing Trespasser, I have been working a little too hard trying to shake the feeling that I dedicated 100+ hours doing things that inevitably feel like I spent those hours working to be a stooge for Solas' dastardly plan.  Feeling tricked into being Solas' unwitting erand girl is a feeling I'm going to make great effort to forget before I divert 100+ hours away from family, friends, and work to risk that end feeling in a next game.

 

 

Right on....

[RFA Veracious]

Someone who has not played Trespasser yet - So, do any of your choices throughout the main story have any impact on Trespasser's story?

 

 

None what so ever...

[The Night Haunter]

I'm sorry OP but your OP makes no sense. I actually tried to read it, and came up with nothing.

[The Night Haunter]

None what so ever...

Not true, once the infamous Gaspard bug is fixed that choice will have an impact (albiet a minor one), and you can have multiple conversations with your companions, all of which are influenced by completion of personal quests and affection. Not to mention the choice of who Divine Victoria is, plus IBs stuff.

[Mr.House]

None what so ever...

That's false.

[Mr.House]

I know its impossible in this game...  and i am not even a happy ending guy, per se.... but was it really so hard to give you the choice to refuse "Help" from Solas and just die ?.... If thats what would haved really happened ?... now that would have been, at least to me, a much happier ending....

Then the Warden should have been able to refuse Duncans help in plenty of the origins or have Hawke tell Flemeth to sod off.

[Googleness]

Simple, crap goes down in big time at Rebout. Envy gets the red templars to attack the non-templars and to kill them all and tries to kill you (if you show up) which means you're there longer then you should. For the mages the talk with Alexius is pretty lengthy, enough time for Envy and the Red Templars to take care of everything before you can go. You have to make choice and thus you get different content.

 

By this logic in TW2 you should have access to all of Vergan and all the side quest if you side with Roche. That's not how it works, content SHOULD be locked out sometimes if it makes sense and it makes sense here as the events at Redoubt force the mater.

 

legit but that's the issue.

 

(first let's clarify that I never finished TW2 I found the entire game annoying.)

 

Why not make the quest build in such way that both templars and mages are in same place and you need to convince both of them to help you with the breach instead?

then u can either pick one side or try and get both.

 

my problem is in game like inquisition the need to restart the game to see the full impact of both choices (which is pretty minor) is very time consuming... the entire hinterlands chain to get 30 power for the main quest just bleh... 

 

but one may say that this is how it was designed... ok in that case I'll pick one of those quests... reload and try the other one and stick with the side which made more sense in my opinion but in the process bioware lost me as interested party to watch all the options. 

 

but the main issue here is the ending again.

no matter what your choices were, no matter what you did throughout the game you end up less one hand in the shadows trying to figure out what the hell to do about solas... that's it.

 

It's not like in mass effect where you made all the effort so most people will survive (or not).... or in let's say Jade Empire where you can be total pure or total corrupted and heavily impact the ending.

 

this "pick a color" style ending is starting to annoy... at least if I could kill solas, or join him (as an elf)... maybe join forces with the qunari and imprison him... something proactive instead of "oh **** you destroyed the world!" moment....

 

EDIT:

ok small example,

NWN2,

final battle vs the king of shadows...

first phase he tried to drive your companions against you and if you didn't had enough influence you had to fight them.

second phase you could either fight the king of shadows or join him as leader of his forces.

third phase if you fight against him you learn the ritual you learned is what keeping him alive and you need to destroy the ritual stones mid battle....

 

interesting battle with many choices and outcomes... 

[Mr.House]

Unlike ME3 ending tho, you get different epilogues depending on your ending and unlike ME3 that just showed pictures, you get text that that details what goes on for the next two years that is all determined by who you picked, who was divine and what you did to that group.Ser Barris and Gaspard also fight in the wilds if  they survived.

 

Also Envy doing his plan and succeeding if the inquisitor is not there also makes Envy more competent. A big problem DAO had was nothing changes as the game goes on. Say you do Orzamar, then go to the dalish. Nothing changes at the dalish even tho the situation should have gotten worse. It's stagnated and this hurts the world and characters.

[KaiserShep]

Then the Warden should have been able to refuse Duncans help in plenty of the origins or have Hawke tell Flemeth to sod off.

Imagine being able to sell the amulet. Quest busted.

[Mr.House]

Imagine being able to sell the amulet. Quest busted.

Spooky amulet for sale, 10 silver.

[Aren]

I usually dont say anything... but this.. i just have to say...

 

 

So i have to save the world, because some idiot with godhood aspirations made a mistake long ago.. miscalculated and failed..
and now wants to correct it, restoring his world.. by destroying my world ?.

Okay.. i spend 100+ hours to save the world... only to find out that one of my companions wanted to save HIS world long ago,
but miscalculated and failed... destroying it instead... sound familiar ?...

So in order to correct his mistake he has to destroy my world to restore his world.. and now i have to save my world again from
some idiot with godhood aspirations that failed his first mission long ago... and now wants to destroy my world to make up for it ?...

Sounds familiar...

But i cant..

Because in saving it the first time... i lose everything, including my arm... only to get 6 options to save my organisation,
well.. it looks like 6 options but are actually only 2 options.. (sounds familiar ?...)
to save my organisation from the very people i bloody saved in the first place... ungratefull dogs...

How is this all going to make me feel good playing this game ?... give me a sense of acomplishment when i am done ?...

Make me feel i won ?... something...


Or at least make me feel good doing whatever it was i was doing ?.... isnt that what games are all about ?... make you feel good ?..
If i want **** to happen i cant do anything about, all i have to do is stay in reality...

Whats the point of playing this game ?... if the end leads to the beginning ?... "like a dog chasing its tail ?..." i mean..
This game looks great... it is fun to play.. but in the end it is completely pointless... and leaves me with a bitter taste in my mouth...

 

It puts me off big time... its replayability value is zero.. and all my choices amount to exactly ****-all....


Wait.... Is this a Bioware game ?... Sigh.. that explain

Here we go again with the complaint

1) Fanbase

THe Inquisitor is a mary sue,the anchor doesn't have a downside,the happy ending of the vanilla game felt  contrived

 

Fanbase

2) The anchor is cheap my inq lost an arm and payed a price for all that power,no Bioware no!

 

i's a non win situation

[Neres]

What if some people like having warm fuzzies? Just because it's a Mature-rated game doesn't mean it has to be a land of darkness with grit getting into your shoes. I like the overall theme that Dragon Age has been developing; the world can get better, even if blood is shed in the process which is inevitable when people have been too comfortable with a status quo that favors them.

 

I like to think that DAInq took the same approach as that new Mad Max Film; it tends to imply that horrible things happen off-camera, and doesn't need to actually show said horrible things to get the point across.

 

As for the mark and the Inquisitor's arm, I thought it was plausible what would happen. The mark was getting out of control and would sooner or later kill them, so they had to cut off their arm. It doesn't mean the Inquisition became toothless without an active Inquisitor though; they still have political savvy which is needed since the Inquisition would become a peacekeeping organization.

 

It is implied that the Inq might become corrupted over time, but I think that depends on what choices you made, I think most prominently what Divine was elected and how you handled the guard vs. servant confrontation.

[DollyLlama]

But HERE should be the difference between a book or a serial: In a game from Bioware you should have the choice to choose "your heros personal destiny" (somehow, a bit). As far as possible of course. I understand that you can't decide to mutch the "Worlds destiny".  But my own character should not be rip out of my hands, maltreat and than throw to my feed .... I feel like this right now!

(The DLC is still great ).

 

Who ever played Pen&Paper roleplaying games know what I'm talking about. The first time you are IN A STORY (and NOT just looking to a film or reading a book) and you have the choice: You want to go the left path or the right path?

We are talking about CHOICES, possiblitys. Same discussion with the ME3 ending again.

And: A Happy-Ending should of course be ONE possibility. Also like a horrible ending-possibility and a sad-ending-possibility and a neutral ending-possibility.

 

Having played a decent variety of rpg games, I've come to realize that not every game dev wants you to have those choices because they have a story they want to tell, and they're the ones offering the options. In the end, this game series does belong to Bioware. That's why I just accept each game I enjoy based on what drew me in. Sure, there are things I wish could be different. But the game, just like any book or TV series, is someone else's mind-child. We're basically telling them how to raise their own child. It may or may not be warranted at times, though. I just make the best of it all. Things are more entertaining with a straight-up beverage of your choice, anyway.

DA isn't as open-choice as TES is. The Witcher isn't as open choice as DA or TES. You have to be Geralt whether you like it or not. Maybe I wanted to be Geraltia and another romance option. You do get to choose your build and some life choices, but you're still playing Geralt's life out, nothing more.

I do believe each game developer should listen to the greatest outcry of their previous game and improve upon the next one. But they also have their own ideas, which gets grafted into the game, and may ruin whatever we did want changed to begin with. If it isn't game mechanics, it's the choices we get -- or didn't get like in DA2. Personally, I wanted to say "Sod all you motherfathers," and just walk off with Varric to start a new pub & inn with open stage dirty poetry nights. I mean uh, open bard & bar nights. Yeah. I also wasn't too happy with the post-Loghain duel situation, but I guess it represents the heat of emotion.

I understand the OP's feelings, but I'm the type to mull over a story and look at it from multiple views. I try not to just play certain roles when I can help it. Going through Origins through every "origin" story lets you see a bigger picture. It's the same with any game. Every decision shows you the bigger story. I haven't gotten through DAI yet, and I'm sure I'll rant & rave about my own misgivings, but I'd like to give it a good chance first. Until then, I'll be in Photoshop and/or the mmo of my choice.

[RFA Veracious]

Then the Warden should have been able to refuse Duncans help in plenty of the origins or have Hawke tell Flemeth to sod off.

 

 

Now that would have been much funnier...

[The Night Haunter]

 

Why not make the quest build in such way that both templars and mages are in same place and you need to convince both of them to help you with the breach instead?

then u can either pick one side or try and get both.

 

Because the Devs wanted you to make a choice. Not everything should have a happy middleground choice. DAO mixed it up: Elves had 3 choices (both sides + middle), but Dwarves you had to choose one or the other, etc.

I'd be cool if they put a try and get both sides to cooperate option that ended in failure and you had to reload a previous save.

[RFA Veracious]

Here we go again with the complaint

1) Fanbase

THe Inquisitor is a mary sue,the anchor doesn't have a downside,the happy ending of the vanilla game felt  contrived

 

Fanbase

2) The anchor is cheap my inq lost an arm and payed a price for all that power,no Bioware no!

 

i's a non win situation

 

 

It's all a matter of choice.. choice is good... so is action/concequence.. Not a choice of red, green or blue... but sensible choices... based on your actions. Its not that it is hard to do.. we, players, all have idea's enough. Bioware only has to listen/read... and take whatever makes sense. Giving people what they want makes sense.. if you want to sell...

 

I have bought every DA and ME game so far, including every DLC available.. and i will also buy the next one... If there is any, because they are fun to play. That should tell Bioware enough. But that doesnt mean i cant have an opinion... based on what i felt playing any of these games. And how can i get other people's opinions if i dont voice/post them ?... I mean.. i most likely missed something others didnt, and it just might change my outlook. I know not everyone is as tollerant if they feel theyre opinions are challenged.. and react with "wrong" - "not true" or "Youre an idiot.." without explaining why... but so be it.