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[Amne YA]

if you think about it  .  you want Cory  to do what   Solas was doing the whole time . he tried  to win without  anybody  noticing .  m

[Iakus]

 

Hubris has been the defining characteristic of the Magisters who breached The Golden City since the intro to Dragon Age: Origins. Corypheus was their leader (as much as those assholes could be said to have a leader). So he is pretty much the most arrogant dipshit to have ever lived. And because of it he got cast down, from immeasurable power all the way to grotesque monsterhood. He returns to find he has been forgotten, his legacy is a horrific plague which weakened his great Empire to the point that another religion kicked down the doors and almost burnt the place to nothing, then wound up converting it instead. His gods, including the one he was high priest to, are now forgotten and silent, his homeland worshiping a figure that is against everything he stands for and for everything he stands against.

 

Don't forget that if what he said is true, the Maker wasn't even in the Golden City, and it was blackened all along.  His mighty empire and its dragon gods were defeated by a religion centered around a deity that's wholly absent and may not even exist!

 

And he believes himself the perfect candidate to fill that vacancy 

 

At any rate, another (symbolic) reason to want to use the head of that religion as a sacrifice in his ascension to godhood

[workforme]

I will just say this.

DAI has quite a few bad writing here and there.

Mostly because writers twist the story for Inquisition.

Don't dwell on it.

 

[Lee80]

His pride demanded it had to be the Divine.  He wasn't worried about failure because he was for the most part invincible.  I think if anything the better question would be why would he risk him immortality to form the dragon?  That would be the far more questionable choice for me personally. Though I suspect it all goes back to pride with him.  Which is his primary defining characteristic. 

[AntiChri5]

His pride demanded it had to be the Divine.  He wasn't worried about failure because he was for the most part invincible.  I think if anything the better question would be why would he risk him immortality to form the dragon?  That would be the far more questionable choice for me personally. Though I suspect it all goes back to pride with him.  Which is his primary defining characteristic. 

He spent his entire life worshipping one of the old gods. Which are either dragon's or at the very least dragon shaped. Following their orders is what led to the downfall of him and his people. Having his very own psuedo old god as a pet is incredibly fulfilling to him. Note how during the final confrontation with, he sicks his dragon on you. Then when your dragon/dragon form Morrigan tackles it mid air he glares at you and says "You dare!" To the Inquisitor, all they did was get a dragon of their own as a counter to Corypheus's. It's tactical. But to Cory by having a dragon at their beck and call the Inquisitor is once more declaring himself Corpheus' equal. His rival.

 

So yes, once more it's pride.

[JustinS1985]

My headcanon for this is that justinia wasn't the only sacrifice, just the only one we saw.  Cory needed to sacrifice a large group of magically attuned people to unlock the orb, and the gathering of mages and templars was the easiest one he had access to since the circles were dispersed.

[sereading]

What I want to know is why Divine Justinia tells the Inquisitor in the Fade that the mark is now a part of him, and without it he will die...... then in Trespasser Solas removes the Inquisitor's mark (and his hand), and the Inquisitor lives. Did the writers forget about Justinia's line? Is Divine Justinia's spirit/soul/reflection not, in fact, all-knowing? She should at least know the sum of what the living know- she should know that Solas knows he'll be able to remove the mark later on, before it kills the Inquisitor- and therefore not make the remark that she did. But I dunno. I dunno what the limit of her knowledge is supposed to be, or if she's god or a person or a spirt or whatever. So I'm gonna chalk it up to bad writing and leave it at that, but figured I'd toss it out there if anyone has some thoughts.

[jedidotflow]

Ha, an honest and legitimate answer. That's for sure. It works to give us a game to play.

But Corypheus marching into the Conclave is as tactically stupid as invading Russia in winter. It allows us to have a plot and play the game, but when you look at it from his perspective, he's incredibly stupid. That just detracts from me when the enemy's plans for world domination has such a fatal flaw in it. It's like every James Bond villain capturing him and revealing the secrets of his plan instead of just flat out executing him and getting him out of the way. It's like, "Dude, you definitely would have succeeded if you just shot Bond in the head and threw his body in a dumpster."

 

[Bold is mine.] Ha! And it still happened! Maybe Corypheus is a tactical idiot.

[Master Warder Z_]

The reason Justinia had to die was so that there could be an actual plot to the game. A world that the bad guy already won because no one knew what the world happened is not a game.

*coughs* Half Life 2

[Hazegurl]

Good post and I agree OP. The Divine was so old to the point where she could have died from a heart attack and we would have gotten the same story.  Actually, we would have gotten a better story because the world would have been as harrowing as it was in the Templar quest.  You just have to accept that Cory did what he did because of 'arrogance reasons' which translates to lazy writing that isn't remotely compelling or engaging 

[Sifr]

Good post and I agree OP. The Divine was so old to the point where she could have died from a heart attack and we would have gotten the same story.  Actually, we would have gotten a better story because the world would have been as harrowing as it was in the Templar quest.  You just have to accept that Cory did what he did because of 'arrogance reasons' which translates to lazy writing that isn't remotely compelling or engaging 

 

Except that Justinia wasn't old at all.

 

Leliana's Song and the novel Asunder both depict her as being at least middle-aged, and the only negative comments about her age in the novels are that people aren't accustomed to having a Divine who's not a doddering old woman, like her predecessor, Beatrix III.

 

I always wondered if her wizened appearance was because Corypheus was draining her life-force as part of the ritual, similar to how Leliana ended up looking just as gaunt and hagged after having been experimented on for a year in the in the Dark Future.

[Former_Fiend]

I think what it ultimately comes down to is the simple fact that Corypheus has a certain flare for the dramatic.

[Sifr]

I think what it ultimately comes down to is the simple fact that Corypheus has a certain flare for the dramatic.

 

When you're the sort of person who decides to approach your friends with an idea to peform an Oceans 11-style heist on heaven itself, while totally sober and with the details of the plan in a powerpoint presentation and not the usual back of a bar napkin... you're probably the sort of guy who divorced themselves from any notion of being subtle a very long time ago.

 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I think Killing the Divine in the Cult of the Maker's most sacred temple is exactly the type of thing a Chantry hating egomaniac with delusions of godhood would do. He clearly didn't think anything could go wrong, especially since as far as he was considered, he couldn't die. I thought it was perfectly in character, so I didn't think there was anything wrong with that particular aspect of the plot.

[nos_astra]

I'm not fond of the explanation that Corypheus was merely a stupid idiot blinded by arrogance who basically defeated himself.

I'd say lots of lyrium, lots of bloodshed and lots of mages witnessing the Divine's death is what Corypheus needed.

Reminds me of how the Reapers apparently stumbled over this very human flaw.

[The Hierophant]

Like some others had said before, it was all for the drama.

[introverted_assassin]

I can only see it as continuing the dissent that was the reason behind the Conclave in the first place. While we're scrambling trying to find out what happened, there's all sorts of chaos thereafter. Distractions really...cause while we're grinding hard to close the breach, as this seems the most immediatethreat, Coryphenis is doing all kinda dirt in the background with his agents and ish.

I think the explosion was the "oh sh*t!" factor for him. He didn't know it would happen but he immediately goes to find another way in by messing with the Wardens heads(and recruiting whatever faction you don't pursue and aligning with some nutjobs from Tevinter when he realizes Quizzy is a real threat). He had covered all bases except two: the Inquisitor and eventually, that the original owner of that orb would come back in some way to see about it.

All of this to say Justinia's death probably wasn't necessary but because of who she is, from a villainous perspective, it was smart. Keep the masses distracted while i do my dirt. Because she was going to die anyway...she was the sacrifice...the subsequent explosion and Fade madness that ensues is a moot point

Thinking about it...if Coryphenis had been successful...wouldn't he have succeeded at what Solas wants to do FIRST? Cause ultimately, it all leads to destruction anyway.