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[ArianaGBSA]

Short version: She is a man.

Bull explains that your role defines everything in the qun. If a woman fights than she is a man. Simple.

Once (a few years ago) I read in a blog  that a person found more acceptance in Islam being transexual than being gay, because if you are a woman you can be with man but men can't be with men. I can't tell if it was true of not but looks like the qun... (I doubt Islam accepts transexual people, perhaps it was about some specific "liberal" group? or was just a lie, really didn't bother to check)

[MidnightWolf]

Both ya.

Thank you, that's good to know.

[Dr. rotinaj]

 

one's duty to the Qun ultimately supercedes race and gender and as long as they prove themselves worthy of the role, they are permitted it.

 

This is the only thing that bugged me about the whole aqun-athlok thing. When are qunari given the opportunity to prove themselves worthy of another role? Sten complains about Ferelden "the farmers want to be merchants, etc no one has a place here", so wouldn't a qunari woman who wants to prove herself seem selfish? Given how gender is so attached to roles in the Qun, wouldn't it mean that living a gender different to the one you are 'assigned' is the same thing as performing a role different to the one you're assigned?

 

Is it possible for a qunari to change roles by claiming they are an aqun-athlok? Say a soldier decides that he's tired of fighting in Seheron, could he just say "I'm a woman" and be send back to Par Vollen to make qunari bagels?

[Rekkampum]

This is the only thing that bugged me about the whole aqun-athlok thing. When are qunari given the opportunity to prove themselves worthy of another role? Sten complains about Ferelden "the farmers want to be merchants, etc no one has a place here", so wouldn't a qunari woman who wants to prove herself seem selfish? Given how gender is so attached to roles in the Qun, wouldn't it mean that living a gender different to the one you are 'assigned' is the same thing as performing a role different to the one you're assigned?

 

Is it possible for a qunari to change roles by claiming they are an aqun-athlok? Say a soldier decides that he's tired of fighting in Seheron, could he just say "I'm a woman" and be send back to Par Vollen to make qunari bagels?

 

I'm guessing that them wanting to be a warrior, given what that means as far as their society is concerned, would necessitate that they already identify as masculine in gender to an extent, especially since these roles are assigned in their youth after being evaluated by the Tamassrans. But until we receive more info, it's primarily speculation.

[leaguer of one]

This is the only thing that bugged me about the whole aqun-athlok thing. When are qunari given the opportunity to prove themselves worthy of another role? Sten complains about Ferelden "the farmers want to be merchants, etc no one has a place here", so wouldn't a qunari woman who wants to prove herself seem selfish? Given how gender is so attached to roles in the Qun, wouldn't it mean that living a gender different to the one you are 'assigned' is the same thing as performing a role different to the one you're assigned?

 

Is it possible for a qunari to change roles by claiming they are an aqun-athlok? Say a soldier decides that he's tired of fighting in Seheron, could he just say "I'm a woman" and be send back to Par Vollen to make qunari bagels?

The difference is who decided. The individual vs group.

[Sifr]

 

Is it possible for a qunari to change roles by claiming they are an aqun-athlok? Say a soldier decides that he's tired of fighting in Seheron, could he just say "I'm a woman" and be send back to Par Vollen to make qunari bagels?

 

No, because people who are transgender don't simply decide on a whim to start living as another sex, nor to eschew or partake in certain activities. It's not something that someone simply choses... rather it's something that they've likely wrestled with for a very long time, possibly even their whole life.

 

That the Qunari are extremely accepting of transgendered individuals would remove the fear of rejection and social stigma they might face elsewhere in Thedas (or even in our world), so people who are trans under the Qun likely feel less inclined to hide their true selves.

 

One would also imagine the Tamassrans, who have the job of raising all Qunari children, would be able to identify trans individuals before they'd been assigned to any potential gender-specific career track that might conflict with their gender identity.

[Giantdeathrobot]

Because the qunari are whatever the writers want them to be at whatever time they need a plot point or want to make a social point. 

 

Lore and canon are for chumps yo.

 

Where is the retcon? As far back as DA2 it was made clear that the man-only restriction of the Antaam doesn't apply to the Ben-Hassarath. Same deal with the Antaam being in love with their weapons and the B-H using whatever works at the time.

[BSpud]

LOL. They did it just to mess with your fragile MRA ego and feed your persecution complex.

[Bfler]

Short version: She is a man.

 

What? Qunari are trannies?

[Daerog]

You can play a female saarebas in the multiplayer. Not just a female qunari mage, one who is actually from the Qunari and magical talents learned from the Qunari. The Qunari, while seeing magic as bad and dangerous, know that magic is useful, and if one is to be a mage, then that one is to be a magic user to the best of their ability, so Qunari mages tend to have crazy powerful magic that is not as easily controlled or as refined as Circle or Dalish magic.

 

As for the topic... it has been answered, none of this goes against what has been stated before. It may go against codex entries, which are supposed to be somewhat wrong in all matters since they are all written in-universe and barely anyone knows about the Qun or Qunari. Tevinter probably knows more since they send agents to cause chaos for the Qunari all the time, but southern Thedas only knows about the military and the spies, which are two different factions in the Qunari.

 

Other posters can post more Qun related stuff than I, but the only thing that was ever "wrong" was Sten and his team being all hornless, as that was a limit to the engine, and so the lore was altered saying that there are rare Qunari born without horns who are seen as good and meant for great things or whatever... like a white buffalo or something.

[Shechinah]

What? Qunari are trannies?

 

They have a different perception of gender: they define it in accordance to which role a person serve.

 

This may have been born from how strictly they adhere to the Qun philosophy and how infallible they consider it: If the Qun claims that women cannot show a competence in combat but there is presented evidence to the contrary   then the Qun seem fallible and so an explaination is needed that renders the Qun infallible but does not deny the obvious evidence hence why they would consider gender to be defined by role rather than by biology.
 

[Daerog]

Ya, it's not the individual claiming that they are a woman or man, it is the teachers/priests of the Qun. Individual thought holds no value, unless it serves the Qun.

 

If the Qunari could turn themselves into a hivemind, or something like the Protoss in StarCraft, they probably would go for it... as long as they can justify it through the Qun...

[Kurogane335]

Lol.
Perhaps her rank is reserved only for females?.......Anyway, Sten is actually wrong. According to Bull, as long as a Woman shows a natural talent for combat, she's permitted to do/become that role.

 

Well, for the Qunari, a woman in the Antaam is a man. So what Sten said was true, from a certain point of view. The Warden, if a woman, clearly identify herself with being a warrior and a woman, which is not the case with women joining the Qunari army, who identify themselves as men. Taht's why Sten was confused.

[robertthebard]

I'm not saying it's impossible, but I'd say it's way, way more rare than most people are thinking it is.  Basically, if anyone who is assigned to the role of Sten first and then is deemed "male" because of that assignment, or they're assigned the role of Tamassran first and then deemed "female" because that's their role, that defeats the purpose of having gendered roles at all.  There's no point in saying "men can't be Tamassrans" if all gender matters for is what roles you can be anyway.  In a society like that, all Stens would simply be Stens and all Tamassrans would simply be Tamassrans.

They are, to the Qunari. The only place we run into trouble is here, where we have lots of people with very little knowledge of how things work trying to assign their preconceived notions to it.

[TheExtreamH]

They have just had a Bra revolution. Now all the male Qunari stay in the kitchen and look after the kids. Iron Bull is female according to Krem, look at his huge boobs.

[BraveVesperia]

This is the only thing that bugged me about the whole aqun-athlok thing. When are qunari given the opportunity to prove themselves worthy of another role? Sten complains about Ferelden "the farmers want to be merchants, etc no one has a place here", so wouldn't a qunari woman who wants to prove herself seem selfish? Given how gender is so attached to roles in the Qun, wouldn't it mean that living a gender different to the one you are 'assigned' is the same thing as performing a role different to the one you're assigned?

 

Is it possible for a qunari to change roles by claiming they are an aqun-athlok? Say a soldier decides that he's tired of fighting in Seheron, could he just say "I'm a woman" and be send back to Par Vollen to make qunari bagels?

I assume that because they're raised by Tamassarans, they're constantly being assessed as children and teens, so the Tamassarans will figure out what their aptitude is for. Presumably, whenever they hit maturity, they adopt the new role. If a female child shows great talent for combat, she might be given a male role and be considered a man (at least while she's performing the role).

 

I think there must be a degree of flexbility within roles, so that they can adopt a new one later if need be. What if a soldier was maimed and could no longer fight? I doubt the Qun would insist they continue, maybe they'd be re-assessed and given a new role.

[NRieh]

 

Because the qunari are whatever the writers want them to be at whatever time they need a plot point or want to make a social point.

Cerberus-dejavu anyone?..   

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

You clearly haven't paid attention to the lore. Everything is consistent.

Consistent in the sense that the Qunari make the Qun mean whatever they need it to mean at the time they need it to mean that. See also Iron Bull's comments about how the Qunari priesthood has been trying to "explain for centuries" why they havn't conquered the world yet when the Qun apparently said they should have.

 

If the Qun butts up against reality, they change their interpretation of it so it works. Its usually in semi-subtle ways/small changes, and it helps that only a certain segment of the population is allowed by ascribed roles to philosophize about the Qun in the first place. Then you don't end up with the entire Qunari population having an existential crisis cus, as far as they're concerned, its literally not their job to think about it. If they're non-priesthood and they do choose to think about it and think too much on it, they're actually violating the Qun. And if they get subversive with those thoughts its off to reeducation camp. Its a nicely made, self-perpetuating power structure the Qunari have going.

[X Equestris]

Once (a few years ago) I read in a blog  that a person found more acceptance in Islam being transexual than being gay, because if you are a woman you can be with man but men can't be with men. I can't tell if it was true of not but looks like the qun... (I doubt Islam accepts transexual people, perhaps it was about some specific "liberal" group? or was just a lie, really didn't bother to check)

It's true in part. The Iranian government will fund the necessary operations and stuff. I'm not sure about any groups outside of Iran, though.

This is the only thing that bugged me about the whole aqun-athlok thing. When are qunari given the opportunity to prove themselves worthy of another role? Sten complains about Ferelden "the farmers want to be merchants, etc no one has a place here", so wouldn't a qunari woman who wants to prove herself seem selfish? Given how gender is so attached to roles in the Qun, wouldn't it mean that living a gender different to the one you are 'assigned' is the same thing as performing a role different to the one you're assigned?
 
Is it possible for a qunari to change roles by claiming they are an aqun-athlok? Say a soldier decides that he's tired of fighting in Seheron, could he just say "I'm a woman" and be send back to Par Vollen to make qunari bagels?

Probably in childhood. Bull mentions the Tamassrans noting he was a good fighter and liar, which is what got him put in the Be-Hassrath. So if a girl was getting into fights with the boys and winning, and she didn't have the traits needed for Ben-Hassrath, the Tamassrans might decide to put her in the Antaam, which would make her aqun athlok. She gets no say in the matter.

No, you don't get to say "I'm a woman", the Tamassrans would make that decision for you, regardless of what you believe. And if you protest too much, you'd probably get reeducated.

[leaguer of one]

Cerberus-dejavu anyone?..   

No, just complainers who don't get Cerberus.

[rx00]

Women don't fight......They say creepy thing to you in the dark and stab you in the back.

 

Or charging toward an extremely powerful ancient elf then get petrify.  

[vertigomez]

Consistent in the sense that the Qunari make the Qun mean whatever they need it to mean at the time they need it to mean that. See also Iron Bull's comments about how the Qunari priesthood has been trying to "explain for centuries" why they havn't conquered the world yet when the Qun apparently said they should have.

If the Qun butts up against reality, they change their interpretation of it so it works. Its usually in semi-subtle ways/small changes, and it helps that only a certain segment of the population is allowed by ascribed roles to philosophize about the Qun in the first place. Then you don't end up with the entire Qunari population having an existential crisis cus, as far as they're concerned, its literally not their job to think about it. If they're non-priesthood and they do choose to think about it and think too much on it, they're actually violating the Qun. And if they get subversive with those thoughts its off to reeducation camp. Its a nicely made, self-perpetuating power structure the Qunari have going.

What was that Gaider said about qunari views on mages vs. people who just happen to wield PHENOMENAL COSMIC POWER? "It involves a weird sort of willful ignorance thing the Qunari are very good at."

[Qun00]

That's how life goes.

You fight, then eat good food. You fight, then drink fine wine. You fight, then sleep with beautiful women.

Hell, fight with beautiful women!

[leaguer of one]

Or charging toward an extremely powerful ancient elf then get petrify.  

Technically, she was throwing a spear but hey the qun does not stop her from doing that. It's not like there were no female Ben hassrith with swords in this dlc.

[berelinde]

It will be Dragon Age XV and people will still be quoting that line of Sten's.

 

Sten was a soldier. It wasn't his job to interpret the Qun or assign people's roles within it. He may have been misinformed, or the issue may have been above his rank. He wasn't an authority on the subject. Bull, on the other hand, is/was a Ben-Hassrath agent reporting to the Ariqun. He has a much clearer understanding of the Qun and how it works.