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[phishface]

So now we now that the elven Dr Evil is the game's main villain. There's clearly something deeply wrong with him, but what exactly is it? Forensic psychology can provide the answer!

 

The Hare Psychopathy Checklist is a method for identifying psychopathy in an individual. It has 20 items. You score each item as either 0 [does not apply at all] or 1 [partial match or mixed information] or 2 [reasonably good match]. The subject is a psychopath is they score 25/30 or higher.

 

Here are the items. How would you score Solas?

 

Facet 1: Interpersonal

 

1. Glibness/superficial charm

2. Grandiose sense of self-worth

3. Pathological lying

4. Cunning/manipulative

 

Facet 2: Affective

 

5. Lack of remorse or guilt

6. Emotionally shallow

7. Callous/lack of empathy

8. Failure to accept responsibility for own actions

 

Facet 3: Lifestyle

 

9. Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom

10. Parasitic lifestyle

11. Lack of realistic, long-term goals

12. Impulsivity

 

Facet 4: Antisocial

 

13. Poor behavioral controls

14. Early behavioral problems

15. Juvenile delinquency

16. Revocation of conditional release

17. Criminal versatility

18. Irresponsibility

 

Other

 

19. Many short-term marital relationships

20. Promiscuous sexual behavior

 

[TheExtreamH]

you forgot bad sense of fashion and footwear.   

[BraveVesperia]

The only ones of these he possesses are arguably  'pathological lying' and 'cunning/manipulative'. So... no.

[GGGenesis]

He scores about a 5 for me with 2 for grandiose sense of self and 1 for cunning, pathological lying and criminal versatility.

Solas does feel empathy which is the biggest deciding factor with psychopaths, there have been numerous studies showing that the big difference lies in empathy and even perceptions of pain. Solas has stated that he is deeply sorry many times and he does willingly admit to his transgressions. It's more like he is driven by a sense of duty and not a desire to cause harm and conflict. And it's not like he doesn't fully understand how bad his mass genocide will be, he even says he wishes to be proven wrong about Thedas. To him it is collateral damage that he wishes doesn't have to happen. But it isn't psychopathy and it would be shallow to claim it is.

[Navasha]

yeah, um... he scores pretty low on that chart using those markers.   So going with no on the psychopath part. 

[Wulfram]

Solas' lying isn't really pathological, at least from what we've seen. He lies because he can't really go around saying "Hey, I'm the Dread Wolf, fancy helping me destroy the world?".

[Jeniva]

No. He obviously feels remorse and compassion - it's pretty obvious if you romance/befriend him.

[AllThatJazz]

No. He pretty much has none of the Affective ones, certainly with a friendly or romanced Quiz he's very empathetic and has tons of depth. He fully accepts responsibility for what he has done, but can't 'pay the price' yet because he sees more action as being necessary before he does. He isn't 'glib' so much as sometimes patronising and often insulting (and occasionally surprisingly lovely). He isn't a 'pathologcal' liar. He lies, largely by omission, out of necessity. We don't know enough about him to judge his sexual behaviour before we met him, but judging from the lack of sexy screentime in a romance with Lavellan, he's pretty much the opposite of promiscuous. So, again, no.

[Renessa]

Not according to your own criteria, he isn't...

 

Ok, I'll give you the traits of facet 1. Yes, those could apply, except "glibness, superficial charm". He is caustic and can be witty, but no way does he purposely try to charm people.

 

Facet 2 describes more or less the opposite of what Solas actually is and the rest just does not fit him either.

[Nixou]

The only ones of these he possesses are arguably  'pathological lying' and 'cunning/manipulative'. So... no.

 

You could add:

 

1. Glibness/superficial charm: Just look at his vocal fanclub if you don't believe he can be charming.
2. Grandiose sense of self-worth: still views himself as a daring rogue who's the best hope to restore his people to greatness even though he's the one who destroyed their civilization in the first place
3. Lack of remorse or guilt: Although he (claims to) feel guilt about what's he's about to do, he's remarkably good at compartmentalizing.
4. Callous/lack of empathy: Took him time to realize that non mages were still sentient creatures
5. Failure to accept responsibility for own actions: Destroyed the Elvhen civilization, views himself as the best hope to restoring it regardless
6. Lack of realistic, long-term goals: resurrecting an empire dead for millennia and forgotten by most? About to free the very despots he imprisoned?
7. Early behavioral problems/Juvenile delinquency: Admit to have been a lot more aggressive and cocky during his youth, plus the whole "destroyed my civilization to avenge my mentor/mother-figure" thing
8. Criminal versatility: reckless disregard who the safety of others: pretty much summarizes his master plan.
9. Many short-term marital relationships: Hellooooooo Inquisitor Lavellan
10. Promiscuous sexual behavior: better leave that to the realm of headcanons  

[Wulfram]

You could make a better case for most of the rogues we've had in our parties.

[AllThatJazz]

 

You could add:

 

1. Glibness/superficial charm: Just look at his vocal fanclub if you don't believe he can be charming.
2. Grandiose sense of self-worth: still views himself as a daring rogue who's the best hope to restore his people to greatness even though he's the one who destroyed their civilization in the first place
3. Lack of remorse or guilt: Although he (claims to) feel guilt about what's he's about to do, he's remarkably good at compartmentalizing.
4. Callous/lack of empathy: Took him time to realize that non mages were still sentient creatures
5. Failure to accept responsibility for own actions: Destroyed the Elvhen civilization, views himself as the best hope to restoring it regardless
6. Lack of realistic, long-term goals: resurrecting an empire dead for millennia and forgotten by most? About to free the very despots he imprisoned?
7. Early behavioral problems/Juvenile delinquency: Admit to have been a lot more aggressive and cocky during his youth, plus the whole "destroyed my civilization to avenge my mentor/mother-figure" thing
8. Criminal versatility: reckless disregard who the safety of others: pretty much summarizes his master plan.
9. Many short-term marital relationships: Hellooooooo Inquisitor Lavellan
10. Promiscuous sexual behavior: better leave that to the realm of headcanons  

 

1: is wrong. His 'army' of fans like him because the character has tons of depth, loads of emotion, is a bit of a conflicted/tortured soul and, er, because he's quite fit. 'Superficial charm' isn't anywhere on the list of why people like him. He's not good at making friends.

3. is wrong. He feels remorse, he just doesn't let it stop him. Different things.

4. is wrong. If he's a friend/romanced, he freely admits that he was incorrect. The fact that he can learn to see people differently means he can't be a psychopath because this isn't something that psychopaths are typically capable of doing.

5. is wrong. The stinger at the end of DAI has him say to Mythal 'It's my fault, I should pay the price, but the People need me'. He's fully intending to pay the price when he's done what he thinks he needs to do.

7. Applies to the vast majority of young men (not 'juvenile delinquency' per se, but certainly a tendency to be a bit hot-blooded) . If you're claiming that being 'hot blooded and cocky' is a sign of being a psychopath then I guess most young men in the world are too. In fact, being a bit reckless is a thing many young (and not so young) people do regardless of gender Also, he'd hardly be the first non-psychopath to commit crimes to avenge someone they love. The very fact that he loved Mythal enough to avenge her, indicates that he is not a psycho, but a man whose emotions can get the better of him.

9. One relationship is 'many'?

10. (Limited) Evidence suggests otherwise.

 

2, 6 and 8 you can have I guess, although with 6) I would question whether his plan is 'unrealistic' - given the amount of power he has now, it seems pretty plausible to me ... 

[Urzon]

No. He obviously feels remorse and compassion - it's pretty obvious if you romance/befriend him.

+1

The remorse and empathy kinda instantly disqualifies the psychopathy argument. He may try and distant himself from those feeling by repeatedly trying to convince himself that we aren't real people, but he still feels them nonetheless.

[Lynroy: Final Edition]

you forgot bad sense of fashion and footwear.

Hey, the hobo look was in 1000 years ago.

[Shechinah]

 

 

Glibness/superficial charm: Just look at his vocal fanclub if you don't believe he can be charming.

 

- (Solas does not seem to be insincere especially not when he expresses his thoughts or presents compliments to others)  

 

Grandiose sense of self-worth: still views himself as a daring rogue who's the best hope to restore his people to greatness even though he's the one who destroyed their civilization in the first place

 

(Solas does not seem to have a very high opinion of himself: one of the dialogue options offered has the Inquisitor saying that their legends were wrong about him and Solas rejects that notion by saying that what they saw in the Fade gave him far more credit than he deserved.)

 

Lack of remorse or guilt: Although he (claims to) feel guilt about what's he's about to do, he's remarkably good at compartmentalizing.

 

(Compartmentalization does not mean an individual does not experience guilt especially since compartmentalization is often a psychological defense mechanism useed to avoid anxiety caused by internal conflicts: a coping mechanism that can prevent breakdowns. Considering the Evanuris served as combative leaders during a great war, Solas would likely have had to develope a coping mechanism like most do to deal with the losses especially if he had a part in directing their forces since that would mean he might be responsible for their deaths)

 

Callous/lack of empathy: Took him time to realize that non mages were still sentient creatures.     

 

- (Solas does feel empathy towards modern people even before his realisation as shown through his approval system as he gains approval from some of the acts of kindness the Inquisitor can perform towards people.

 

Failure to accept responsibility for own actions: Destroyed the Elvhen civilization, views himself as the best hope to restoring it regardless                                                                                           

 

- (This can be viewed in the exact opposite way as it is implied he may be doing this also out of a sense of responsibility as well as out of guilt: He erected the Veil and he was responsible directly and indirectly for the destruction and death that action caused. He may be trying to undo what he views as his greatest mistake)

 

Early behavioral problems/Juvenile delinquency: Admit to have been a lot more aggressive and cocky during his youth, plus the whole "destroyed my civilization to avenge my mentor/mother-figure" thing

 

- (Solas was not motivated solely by the death of Mythal as he believes as shown by his verbal claim that the others of the Evanuris would bring about more or less total destruction without Mythal to rein them in.)

 

Many short-term marital relationships: Hellooooooo Inquisitor Lavellan

 

- (One is not many, one is less than few)

 

There were certain points I very much disagree with so I added some counterpoints.
 

[Boost32]

I don't think he is a psychopath, but he is a megalomaniac.

[Donk]

So now we now that the elven Dr Evil is the game's main villain. There's clearly something deeply wrong with him, but what exactly is it? Forensic psychology can provide the answer!

 

The Hare Psychopathy Checklist is a method for identifying psychopathy in an individual. It has 20 items. You score each item as either 0 [does not apply at all] or 1 [partial match or mixed information] or 2 [reasonably good match]. The subject is a psychopath is they score 25/30 or higher.

 

Here are the items. How would you score Solas?

 

Facet 1: Interpersonal

 

1. Glibness/superficial charm

2. Grandiose sense of self-worth

3. Pathological lying

4. Cunning/manipulative

 

Facet 2: Affective

 

5. Lack of remorse or guilt

6. Emotionally shallow

7. Callous/lack of empathy

8. Failure to accept responsibility for own actions

 

Facet 3: Lifestyle

 

9. Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom

10. Parasitic lifestyle

11. Lack of realistic, long-term goals

12. Impulsivity

 

Facet 4: Antisocial

 

13. Poor behavioral controls

14. Early behavioral problems

15. Juvenile delinquency

16. Revocation of conditional release

17. Criminal versatility

18. Irresponsibility

 

Other

 

19. Many short-term marital relationships

20. Promiscuous sexual behavior

 

He isn't.

 

One very important aspect of psychopathy is the lack of emotion/empathy.

 

Now, if you become his friend in the game, he does show some remorse. I've never done his romance but I've heard that he was very much in love with Lavellan, too. If he was a true psychopath, he would not show any of these qualities.

 

Also, most people in the world have at least one of those traits, but it doesn't mean they are psychopaths.

 

He is simply somebody who has an agenda, believes very strongly in it and will do what it takes to achieve it. Keep in mind, he absorbed Mythal so there is a bit of her swimming around in there. Now, I do believe Mythal is a psychopath.

 

Unless of course.. he is simply that charismatic it's all a load of bullshit?

In that case.. the answer is yes. Though it is speculation.

[Reznore57]

He used to show sign of being a psychopath , seeing people as "not real" "tranquil" , when there is no doubt they are real and able to show emotions.

 

This lead him to act as a psycho too , when he gave his orb to Cory wanting it to explode and not really giving much a damn about who it would hurt.

Solas was near Haven , he was waiting for his ball of doom to explode in an area with a lot of people , those unreal tranquil like non people were having a peace talk , debate what have you etc ,to save their civilisation from chaos.A free world where an elected Divine gathered the free populace to express themselves and find a solution.

This beats what we know of the Evanuris , no?

Still Solas decide those people are unworthy savages.

 

Even so  I wouldn't call him a full psychopath , because he went through a very traumatic event , he woke up to see he had destroyed the people he wanted to save.

He's able to show sign of empathy , for what it's worth , and it's not worth much.He spend much time whining about how it pains him.But doesn't think other people's pain and thought equal his own , the Inquisitor, one of the rare special snowflakes he can respect still has to prove him the current world and its people are worth saving.

The killing of Felassan was also bordeline psychopath level , Felassan knew there would be no talks , he fail at bringing back the Eluvian passwords and it meant death.Plain and simple.No trial nothing.

[Homeboundcrib]

He is not a psychopath he clearly feels sorry for everything he has done and is going to do, if that happens who knows. He's in a world that is nothing like he remembers so no he is not a psycho at all.

[Shechinah]

The killing of Felassan was also bordeline psychopath level , Felassan knew there would be no talks , he fail at bringing back the Eluvian passwords and it meant death.Plain and simple.No trial nothing.

 

Felassan was not killed because of an invoked "You Haved Failed Me" trope. Felassan was killed, as Cole confirms, because Solas realised Felassan had grown fond of Briala to the point where Felassan would intentionally sabotage his own task:

 

Cole: "His friend had to die because he thought they were people. A slow arrow breaks in the sad wolf's jaw."

 

It is probable that Solas thought that Felassan would attempt to further sabotage Solas' efforts and since Felassan seemed to be implied to be an ancient elf with personal knowledge of Solas like his actual identity, Solas might have thought him a credible threat should that happen hence why he ended Felassan's life.

 

 

 

[the Dame]

*looks at the OP list*

 

..nope, he isn't.

 

Maybe he can go more with this line...

 

 

[Reznore57]

Felassan was not killed because of an invoked "You Haved Failed Me" trope. Felassan was killed, as Cole confirms, because Solas realised Felassan had grown fond of Briala to the point where Felassan would intentionally sabotage his own task:

 

Cole: "His friend had to die because he thought they were people. A slow arrow breaks in the sad wolf's jaw."

 

It is probable that Solas thought that Felassan would attempt to further sabotage Solas' efforts and since Felassan seemed to be implied to be an ancient elf with personal knowledge of Solas like his actual identity, Solas might have thought him a credible threat should that happen hence why he ended Felassan's life.

 

Not really.

Felassan wasn't sabotaging much , he gave himself up to the Dread Wolf , he didn't have to do it , he could have helped Briala much more , warn her the Dread Wolf was about to wake up and destroy the world.Steal his orb.

He didn't do it.

All he did was letting her keep a password.

Password Solas didn't need when he got his full power , power he should have gotten easily with the orb anyway.

 

So the only reason Felassan was killed it's because he showed empathy and Solas didn't want to hear those were people he was about to destroy.

It's just scary.

[Lynroy: Final Edition]

*looks at the OP list*

 

..nope, he isn't.

 

Maybe he can go more with this line...

 

 

Dayum. I like the way you think, my dear Grand Dame.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

No, he's just a racist and supermacist who grew up in a different time.

 

I imagine someone that came from 2000 years ago to present day would feel the same way he does.

[dragondreamer]

No.  He's actually the opposite of most of the things on that list.  And the big one, empathy, is something he has a lot of.  Even when he doesn't see people as people, that comes from living in a very different world, it isn't because he's incapable of caring about anyone else.  He can overcome that, and even before that, I don't think it was as extreme a black and white issue as him viewing modern people as toasters, or he never would have attempted reaching out to the Dalish in the first place.  He's also driven by extreme guilt for his actions.  If he was truly selfish, he would give it all up, and run off with a romanced Lavellan.  In the romanced scenario, he doesn't leave Lavellan because of his own selfishness, he leaves because following his own desires over what he sees as his duty to fix his wrongs would be selfish.  And the entire reason he ended up in this mess to begin with is because he has very powerful emotions, and cares to the point of losing some of his sense. 

 

He's also very humble, it would be very easy for him to say, "yes, I really am a god."  He's certainly powerful enough.