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[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

Perhaps I will get a lot of hate for this but the Inquisitor really is just a normal guy at the end of the day. Whatever your origin, (right now playing male tal vashoth mage), you were a normal person just trying to get by. The mark changed that. It was what made you necessary for the plotline and was what (ironically) kept you alive because they likely would have executed you otherwise. Whatever Cassandra might claim, the reason you became Inquisitor is because of the mark. Ignoring time spent with companions and as leader, post amputation, you are essentially just a political figurehead. The inquisitor even says, his adventuring days are over. The fact is, without the anchor, you are just another dude/dudette. This is why I personally do not want to play the Inquisitor again next game. Your trump card has been used up and is gone. As an NPC I think it would be cool but for me with the amputation the story is over. The anchor was what made you special.

[ravenesse]

So just like... Hawke?

If the Blight would not have driven him/her out of Ferelden, we might never had heard of him/her.

 

And HoF?

Without Ostagar might have been the same. Just a Warden.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I disagree. The Anchor was just a tool. A very important tool, but still just a tool. It was not the Anchor that saved the Mages or the Templars. It was not the Anchor that stopped the false Calling the Wardens were experiencing. It was not the Anchor that ended the Orlesian Civil War. It was not the Anchor that stopped Hakkon. And it was not the Anchor that stopped the Dragon's Breath. It was the Inquisitor. Thoughout our journey, the Inquisitor became one of the most important and special people in Thedas, having done things nobody has done before and having shaped the entire continent. 

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

So just like... Hawke?

If the Blight would not have driven him/her out of Ferelden, we might never had heard of him/her.

 

And HoF?

Without Ostagar might have been the same. Just a Warden.

Different contexts. The Anchor was necessary to stop Coryfish. The other heroes did not need a mark to do what they did.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

The Anchor was what set you on your path. Your actions afterward was what made you Inquisitor. You can't just "Ignoring time spent with companions and as leader," b/c those are relevant. The Inquisitor's experience in leading the battle against Corypheus, the friends and alliances they've made, and their relationship with Solas are all relevant.

 

But posts/threads like this one make me think it'd actually be an excellent opportunity to play the Inquisitor again, just to show you don't need a mark or other deus ex machina to be special. Normal people are special. (I disagree with the inquisitor being just a regular joe, now, but still)

[the Dame]

So just like... Hawke?

If the Blight would not have driven him/her out of Ferelden, we might never had heard of him/her.

 

And HoF?

Without Ostagar might have been the same. Just a Warden.

 

  Pirate!

 

I think my Inquisitor post Trespasser - is mastermind. She knows what needs to be done and, I hope, she will know how to do it. 

She will be the charisma and driving force of Wolf Hunt!

[ravenesse]

Different contexts. The Anchor was necessary to stop Coryfish. The other heroes did not need a mark to do what they did.

Well... HoF needed the Joining to stop the Archdemon and therefor the Blight. Don't think the context is that different with this one. And after that, the Wardens were forgotten again. Until they screwed up in Inquisition.

[AllThatJazz]

Different contexts. The Anchor was necessary to stop Coryfish. The other heroes did not need a mark to do what they did.

HoF needed super special warden status to kill the Archdemon without it body hopping, or to do the OGB ritual.

 

Almost every protagonist is 'just a guy/girl' without the thing that makes them special. Geralt of Rivia without mutagens and Witcher training? Just an old grandpa. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Yes and no.

 

Pretty much all three needed push and opportunity to prove themselves but by any mean doesn't mean they are "normal" because they have achieved feats most people wouldn't.The Anchor gave inquisitor opportunity but Anchor was pretty much relevant only when it comes to breach and rifts.

 

Of course by the end inquisitor is left only with some political power at best as they not only lose anchor but also their arm.

[Elhanan]

Perhaps I will get a lot of hate for this but the Inquisitor really is just a normal guy at the end of the day. Whatever your origin, (right now playing male tal vashoth mage), you were a normal person just trying to get by. The mark changed that. It was what made you necessary for the plotline and was what (ironically) kept you alive because they likely would have executed you otherwise. Whatever Cassandra might claim, the reason you became Inquisitor is because of the mark. Ignoring time spent with companions and as leader, post amputation, you are essentially just a political figurehead. The inquisitor even says, his adventuring days are over. The fact is, without the anchor, you are just another dude/dudette. This is why I personally do not want to play the Inquisitor again next game. Your trump card has been used up and is gone. As an NPC I think it would be cool but for me with the amputation the story is over. The anchor was what made you special.

Agree; the Inq is not that special besides the Anchor. However, such is the case with many, many heroes of myths and legends. It is about accepting leadership and greatness when it is thrust upon them, and the choices that are made for public and personal gain.

While I disagree with Cassandra that this indicates the events as being a sign from the Maker, I do accept the premise that this was what needed to happen precisely when it needed to occur.

[Elhanan]

Different contexts. The Anchor was necessary to stop Coryfish. The other heroes did not need a mark to do what they did.

Actually, the Warden required the Joining to actually slay the Archdemon, much like the Mark.

[lynroy]

My Inquisitor is still a bad ass and doesn't need a mark on his hand to make it so.

[Ieldra]

Our characters are all extraordinary people, with or without any magical extras, but like the kind of "specialness" the Mark gave my Inquisitor, and I resent that it's gone.

[Shechinah]

Inquisitor: "He came after me because my efforts put the Inquisition in his way."

Cassandra: "Perhaps in more ways than you've considered. Your decisions let us heal the sky. Your determination brought us out of Haven. You are that creature's rival because of what you did and we know it. All of us. The Inquisitions requires a leader: The one who has already been leading it... You"

Inquisitor: "Are you insane? They expect a savior, someone with divine power!"

Cassandra: "They want you."

Inquisitor: "Because they think I'm chosen!"

Cassandra: They believe you are chosen because of what you have done. What you have inspired in all of us."

 

The Mark was not why you earned the title of Inquisitor and it was not the sole reason people gathered to you: It was not the Mark braving demon after demon to close rift after rift, that was you. It was not the Mark that defied Corypheus and tried to bury him and his forces in an avalanche, that was you. It was not the Mark that kept on in the mountain wilderness despite the cold and exchaustion until it found safety, that was you.   

 

It was not the Mark that helped the old widow put flowers on his wife's grave, that was you. It was not the Mark that helped those refugees survive by providing medicinal herbs and food, that was you. It was not the Mark that singlehandedly defeated a dragon, that was you.   

 

You earned the title of Inquisitor through your actions, your decisions. You were chosen to lead because you lead. You were a badass in your own right, the Mark was but one aspect of your badassery.   

[Finis Valorum]

My Inquisitor is still a bad ass and doesn't need a mark on his hand to make it so.

 

I don't think so, you don't necessarily need the anchor to be badass, but you do need the arm and hand. With only one hand you can't even dress yourself, or take care of your hair properly, on your own. As for power, since my Inquisitor was a mage, I guess that would depend on just how important the somatic component of spell casting is in the DA universe, but at best we're essentially a low level mage again until we learn how to cast all our spells again with only one hand. Even then, we can probably forget about using a mage staff as power booster,since it seems to require two hands to wield effectively, so we'd lose most of our power anyway, since our spells,even if we learn to cast them again, are now vastly underpowered. At worst we're now an utterly ineffective, barely trained, rogue with that hideous crossbow thingy. Let's face it with the loss of our forearm we lose most of our power, both physical and political, in one fell swoop.

The Warden and Hawke, at least don't lose any of their power as a mage/rogue/warrior, the Inquisitor, not so much.

[lynroy]

I don't think so, you don't necessarily need the anchor to be badass, but you do need the arm and hand. With only one hand you can't even dress yourself, or take care of hair properly, on your own. As for power, since my Inquisitor was a mage, I guess that would depend on just how important the somatic component of spell casting is in the DA universe, but at best we're essentially a low level mage again until we learn how to cast all our spells again with only one hand. Even then, we can probably forget about using a mage staff as power booster,since it seems to require two hands to wield effectively, so we'd lose most of our power anyway, since our spells,even if we learn to cast them again, are now vastly underpowered. At worst we're now an utterly ineffective, barely trained, rogue with that hideous crossbow thingy. Let's face it with the loss of our forearm we lose most of our power, both physical and political, in one fell swoop.
The Warden and Hawke, at least don't lose any of their power as a mage/rogue/warrior, the Inquisitor, not so much.

Erm, what? He does not need that arm to still be bad ass. You know, there's a whole world of people that make a living without limbs.

[Shechinah]

I don't think so, you don't necessarily need the anchor to be badass, but you do need the arm and hand. With only one hand you can't even dress yourself, or take care of hair properly, on your own.

 

You most certainly can and many people most certainly do. Out of curiousity: what is it you consider so difficult about hair care that it requires both hands to do?

 

Would you like me to present examples of people who manages their life without outside assistance and performs feat of badassery despite lacking limbs?   
 

[Donk]

The Inquisitor will still be important. They had the enemy in their midst for a year.. nobody will be better equipped to deal with him.

 

So they may not be able to fight, but they have other weapons.. like their mind, and connections.

[vertigomez]

Err... I thought that was the point. They were just some rando in the wrong place at the right time.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

No, you're a nobody with one hand only! That makes the Inquisitor a special nobody.

[ZoliCs]

You mean like every hero ever?

[AllThatJazz]

I don't think so, you don't necessarily need the anchor to be badass, but you do need the arm and hand. With only one hand you can't even dress yourself, or take care of your hair properly, on your own. As for power, since my Inquisitor was a mage, I guess that would depend on just how important the somatic component of spell casting is in the DA universe, but at best we're essentially a low level mage again until we learn how to cast all our spells again with only one hand. Even then, we can probably forget about using a mage staff as power booster,since it seems to require two hands to wield effectively, so we'd lose most of our power anyway, since our spells,even if we learn to cast them again, are now vastly underpowered. At worst we're now an utterly ineffective, barely trained, rogue with that hideous crossbow thingy. Let's face it with the loss of our forearm we lose most of our power, both physical and political, in one fell swoop.

The Warden and Hawke, at least don't lose any of their power as a mage/rogue/warrior, the Inquisitor, not so much.

That ... isn't true. Seriously, hair care really isn't that complicated (!) I looked after myself perfectly well with one useful arm back when I broke my elbow - people who have permanent limb loss learn how to do things differently, but very effectively.

 

It's weird - and quite disturbing - to me how many people seem to think that a disability makes a person completely useless. Has nobody ever watched the Paralympics, for God's sake? There are disabled athletes doing loads of things that I can't do :/ And that's without taking into account fancy magical prosthetics that Dagna could no doubt create given time, that would be just as good if not better than the real thing. 

[Catche Jagger]

Maybe... just maybe... That was the point??

[Reznore57]

The Inquisitor walked the fade in the flesh three or four times , at least one with no power of the mark involved just an Eluvian.

He walks the Crossroads , this elven dimension sealed for thousand of years.

He rediscovered a Titan.

He kills one of the magister who entered the Golden City.

He kills Hakkon one of the Avaar gods.

He has a chat with Mythal and  was fooled by Fen Harel , both ancient elven Gods.

 

The only thing missing right now is having tea with the Maker.

 

The Inquisitor is a very very very special snowflakes even without the mark , he's one of the few who knows what really happened in the past , with the veil , the elves warring with Titans etc...

[ZhengAn]

Remember the time when people complaining that random-guy-gained-special-ability-and-become-the-only-hero-to-save-the-world-plot is too Hollywood and too cliche.

 

Now the anchor is gone, and people are complaining again.