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[Shechinah]

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How would Solas remove the mage Inquisitor's magic?

 

Even if Solas could and would, I doubt it is something that has happened since it would likely be acknowledged so the knowledge could be made avaliable to the player.
 

[Finis Valorum]

If we can create stuff like Götz von Berlichinge fake metal arm, then a world that has magic, lyrum, someone who has extreamly talented smiths (Dagna and Bianca) can easily make something better.

 

What is theoretically possible and what our poor Inquisitor is actually able to obtain, now that he no longer has the Inquisition or its resources, may be very far apart indeed. Tresspass has already shown the world is anxious to get rid of us, so that doesn't improve the prospect of actually getting a (semi) functional hand-like prosthetic any, IMHO.

 

 

How would Solas remove the mage Inquisitor's magic?

 

Even if Solas could and would, I doubt it is something that has happened since it would likely be acknowledged so the knowledge could be made avaliable to the player.
 

 

That's likely true, but simply being unable to tap into our magical potential due to not being able to use the correct somatic components would lead to the same end result.

Still, the most likely thing is that any Inquisitor of any class has to learn how to do everything (combat related) all over again, so we're likely to be functionally back to level 1, or even 0, regardless of our class.

[Shechinah]

What is theoretically possible and what our poor Inquisitor is actually able to obtain, now that he no longer has the Inquisition or its resources, may be very far apart indeed. Tresspass has already shown the world is anxious to get rid of us, so that doesn't improve the prospect of actually getting a (semi) functional hand-like prosthetic any, IMHO.

 

Depending on how the Inquisitor, you can obtain something of a small to large fortune that is yours personally and you can have personal to professional connections with wealthy, influential and knowledgable people who I would not consider it out-of-character for to provide you with some assistance in aquiring a prosthetic.

 

As an example, I imaging Varric would know a few who would know more than a little knowledge on these matters and how to craft you something to your liking. I'd also imaging Varric would have no problem making contact with some of these people for you and making the necessary arrangements. 
 

[Mr.House]

Depending on how the Inquisitor, you can obtain something of a small to large fortune that is yours personally and you can have personal to professional connections with wealthy, influential and knowledgable people who I would not consider it out-of-character for to provide you with some assistance in aquiring a prosthetic.

 

As an example, I imaging Varric would know a few who would know more than a little knowledge on these matters and how to craft you something to your liking. I'd also imaging Varric would have no problem making contact with some of these people for you and making the necessary arrangements. 
 

Varric knows Bianca, and Sera is dating Dagna. Quizy being friends with both allows them connections to those two people.

[ArianaGBSA]

Available in OUR middle ages, yes. Yet the best thing the Inquisitor seems to be able to get, according to the epilogue, is the hideous crossbow thing, a far cry from the oft cited Götz von Berlichingen ones that did enable him to ride a horse and write with it and most likely also allowed him to use ladders and such. Maybe the Dragon Age world has had no significant need for functional prosthetics thus far due to magical healing, in which case our Inquisitor is likely screwed.

 

 

At this point, like a previous poster has said, we don't know enough about Dragon Age's lore on mages to answer this one way or the other. It all depends on how important the somatic component is to spell casting.

But even if we could learn to cast spells with one hand, or without hands, at all we would still need to learn how to actually do that, meaning we're essentially back to level 1 again. Same for all the other classes, we would need to learn how to do almost everything all over again. Which would potentially allow the Inquisitor to be the protagonist again, I'll admit.

Still given what Solas did, he may just have taken our magic along with it as well. If the Inq were to be the protagonist again I figure there's a 50/50 chance of this having happened and thus only having the choice between becoming a warrior or a rogue.

 

 

Yet the only prosthetic we actually get to see is that damnable crossbow thing, which I definitely would not want to see on my (former) mage Inquisitor,. instead of something a bit more hand-like and actually useful, though I guess that may not be possible if the amputation was above the elbow, after all.

 

For me, as a mage player, the two are potentially tied together, if Solas just took the anchor we're still a pretty decent mage, assuming we figure out the one handed casting and staff wielding bit eventually. If what Solas did renders my character permanently unable to access his magical potential than we pretty much just become any random crippled commoner in ability.

About mages and spells it is been said countless times they can do it without a staff. Even in DAI intro, mage can answer cassandra "I don't need a staff". In DAO you could cast spells without the staff, fight bare handed. It is shown in cutscenes mages doing spells without staffs. And we know, for sure, that powerful mages (aka Solas, but probably any mage [like Idunna in DA2]) just use their will which when we understand everything said about the fade only makes sense. It is about the mind, not the body.

As for the back to lvl 1 stuff, nope. My friend lost his leg, he kept praticing taekwondo just like he was before the accident, took him what, a month, to adapt to the mechanical leg? You underestimate real world and even more fantasy world. (Plus he has titanium leg kicks now) I'm pretty sure Inquisitor have a month or so to adapt before next game. There are worse cases, but I doubt it would take more than a year to go back on perfect shape and I'm pretty sure next game won't happen that soon.

[Reznore57]

Varric knows Bianca, and Sera is dating Dagna. Quizy being friends with both allows them connections to those two people.

 

Yeah and Bianca and Orzammar owes you one after "Well, S***!" and the Descent.

[Finis Valorum]

About mages and spells it is been said countless times they can do it without a staff. Even in DAI intro, mage can answer cassandra "I don't need a staff". In DAO you could cast spells without the staff, fight bare handed. It is shown in cutscenes mages doing spells without staffs. And we know, for sure, that powerful mages (aka Solas, but probably any mage [like Idunna in DA2]) just use their will which when we understand everything said about the fade only makes sense. It is about the mind, not the body.

As for the back to lvl 1 stuff, nope. My friend lost his leg, he kept praticing taekwondo just like he was before the accident, took him what, a month, to adapt to the mechanical leg? You underestimate real world and even more fantasy world. (Plus he has titanium leg kicks now) I'm pretty sure Inquisitor have a month or so to adapt before next game. There are worse cases, but I doubt it would take more than a year to go back on perfect shape and I'm pretty sure next game won't happen that soon.

 

Just fired up origins again and in that game you can indeed cast staff less but you do lose the power amplifier the mage staff is and the ranged magical attacks it provides. Since in Inquisition stat gains are tied either to the staff or to the passives, instead of to the character themselves, that's potentially a very big loss in power.

 

All due respect to your friend, losing an arm and above the elbow at that is very different from using a leg. Also the Inquisitor does not have access to modern, useful, prosthetics. As for Dagna crafting something, that's most likely the silly crossbow thing, that doesn't look very useful to me, at all. It certainly doesn't allow one to write, ride a horse, climb a ladder or hold a mug with it, unlike Gotz.

Personally I consider myself reasonably fit, but I don't see how I could maintain my upper body in reasonable shape without a useful and quite modern prosthetic, which again the crossbow or an arm cannon is NOT, as I'd simply be unable to do a great many exercises I rely on with only a small stump below the shoulder on one side.

[Majestic Jazz]

Actually, the Warden required the Joining to actually slay the Archdemon, much like the Mark.

Difference is that the IQ got his power by accident while the Warden was a brave individual undergoing a ritual that surely would have killed him/her a few seconds in.

Also, the Joining does not give you any special powers per se. Whereas the Mark gives the IQ HUGE powers like closing rifts.

[Shechinah]

Difference is that the IQ got his power by accident while the Warden was a brave individual undergoing a ritual that surely would have killed him/her a few seconds in.

Also, the Joining does not give you any special powers per se. Whereas the Mark gives the IQ HUGE powers like closing rifts.

 

This is not meant to undercut the Warden because I do consider them great but I believe they have no alternative but death if they do not go through with the Joining ritual since by then, Duncan has revealed the secret of it to them so if they attempt to back out he'll do what he did to Jory though that may be because Jory drew a weapon. I believe Duncan states before the Joining scene initiates that there will be no going back when it is begun.

 

If you select the Dalish origin then you have to undergo the Joining or die because you are already tainted so it also carries the interpretation of choosing the way that offers you an semi-even chance of survival. 

 

While the Mark does offer the Inquisitor more benefits that comes into play in terms of story and gameplay, the Joining is supposed to provide the Warden with certain abilities like being able to sense darkspawn and gain an immunity to the taint. Unfortunately, the former never happens, I believe, and the latter is applied to the entire party in terms of gameplay.
 

[Elhanan]

Difference is that the IQ got his power by accident while the Warden was a brave individual undergoing a ritual that surely would have killed him/her a few seconds in.

Also, the Joining does not give you any special powers per se. Whereas the Mark gives the IQ HUGE powers like closing rifts.

Perhaps the Warden was a brave indv; could also be an indv forced into the Joining due to circumstance. And I recall gaining an additional Ability after the Joining, and being informed that I could sense Darkspawn, and hear the call of the Archdemon among other perks.

[NRieh]

Yet the only prosthetic we actually get to see is that damnable crossbow thing, which I definitely would not want to see on my (former) mage Inquisitor,. instead of something a bit more hand-like and actually useful, though I guess that may not be possible if the amputation was above the elbow, after all.

1. The fact that JennyQuizitor got that crossbow does not mean that it's mandatory to have one for each and every class.
2. I've rewatched the latest scenes closely (from 'anchor melt-down' to 'stabbing the map'), and it looks like the in-game the Inq is loosing their 'glove' area (hand+some part of the forearm). On the crossbow pic it looks more like cut right up to the elbow, but there's also that flexible joint, which is supposed to bend somehow. So the elbow must be alive. Also, it's more like a grappling hook, not a crossbow per se.

 

 

even if we could learn to cast spells with one hand, or without hands, at all we would still need to learn how to actually do that, meaning we're essentially back to level 1 again. Same for all the other classes, we would need to learn how to do almost everything all over again.

Certainly not agree about 'each and every classes'.  A veteran DW rogue can retrain into buckler + short\bastard sword user or even a crossbow wielder much easier than a total noob, that had never handled any weapon at all. It can be tricky, and it would take some time to fully recover from the wound itself, but it's not 'everything all over again'. Same for a skilled warrior - adapting or switching the preferred weapon style is doable. 

 

Also, classic belt buckles and hook-and-eye closures can be handled with a single hand. I'm sure that the Inq can find a good tailor to tweak their clothes accordingly to their current needs. Same true for high boots - make it slightly lower, make easier to pull on + fixable with the buckle straps ( I wish I could explain it better, but I don't think I know all those proper words for boot parts and such).

[ArianaGBSA]

Just fired up origins again and in that game you can indeed cast staff less but you do lose the power amplifier the mage staff is and the ranged magical attacks it provides. Since in Inquisition stat gains are tied either to the staff or to the passives, instead of to the character themselves, that's potentially a very big loss in power.

 

All due respect to your friend, losing an arm and above the elbow at that is very different from using a leg. Also the Inquisitor does not have access to modern, useful, prosthetics. As for Dagna crafting something, that's most likely the silly crossbow thing, that doesn't look very useful to me, at all. It certainly doesn't allow one to write, ride a horse, climb a ladder or hold a mug with it, unlike Gotz.

Personally I consider myself reasonably fit, but I don't see how I could maintain my upper body in reasonable shape without a useful and quite modern prosthetic, which again the crossbow or an arm cannon is NOT, as I'd simply be unable to do a great many exercises I rely on with only a small stump below the shoulder on one side.

All I can say is... youtube?
People adapt. Of course you can't imagine, you haven't been through the loss. But if you spent your time seeing how people deal with it you understand that no matter what kind of physical limitation you have you learn to overcome it. I hate motivational speeches, it is all bullshit for me, but you can see that people always find a way (not that it means something or that it is good, seriously, I hate it)

[Finis Valorum]

Difference is that the IQ got his power by accident while the Warden was a brave individual undergoing a ritual that surely would have killed him/her a few seconds in.

Also, the Joining does not give you any special powers per se. Whereas the Mark gives the IQ HUGE powers like closing rifts.

 

Having tainted darkspawn blood in them does theoretically allow the Warden access to some of its powers beyond its usefulness in killing archdemons and sensing nearby darkspawn. You just need some help from Avernus to unlock it. Though you are right in that most wardens, at least at the time of the fifth blight, did not know how, or did not choose to use them. They're also not really unique and theoretically available to any Warden with the patience to learn how to use them, though it's possible our warden and Avernus are the only ones who actually did so. Taint or no taint in the end the Warden got the happiest ending, as of inquisition, traveling with Zevran by his side. A surviving Hawke presumably also gets his Amell family status and estate (perhaps finally with live in Fenris) back again after he goes to help Viscount Varric.

As it stands now the Inquisitor actually gets the most depressing ending, most of his LI's leave him and he loses the mark, the Inquisition as an organization and his arm. Whether or not Bioware will ultimately allow him to get a decently functional, prosthetic that's more useful than the crossbow thing remains very much up in the air too.

[thats1evildude]

All of the Dragon Age PCs are regular people forced to become extraordinary by special circumstances.

[Shechinah]

All of the Dragon Age PCs are regular people forced to become extraordinary by special circumstances.

 

Something I adore so much!
 

[rpgfan321]

Regular citizens might not recognize the Herald of Andraste easily without the Mark, but I still think the legend of the Inquisitor will continue because what they accomplished was pretty extraordinary and one for the ages.

 

Without the Mark, the Inquisitor cannot seal any rifts and mend weakened veils, but people still believe in the legends of Andraste's Herald and the story continues. If that many people still believe in such a person, wouldn't that be a superpower in itself?

 

Just like the tales of the Champion and HoF, the stories continue and people rally behind them for hope or what have you. I still think the Inquisitor have influence post-Trespasser albeit not much when the Inquisition was in its full power. And the influences gained from people believing in the Inquisitor have value and can be used.

[Elhanan]

Just fired up origins again and in that game you can indeed cast staff less but you do lose the power amplifier the mage staff is and the ranged magical attacks it provides. Since in Inquisition stat gains are tied either to the staff or to the passives, instead of to the character themselves, that's potentially a very big loss in power.
 
All due respect to your friend, losing an arm and above the elbow at that is very different from using a leg. Also the Inquisitor does not have access to modern, useful, prosthetics. As for Dagna crafting something, that's most likely the silly crossbow thing, that doesn't look very useful to me, at all. It certainly doesn't allow one to write, ride a horse, climb a ladder or hold a mug with it, unlike Gotz.
Personally I consider myself reasonably fit, but I don't see how I could maintain my upper body in reasonable shape without a useful and quite modern prosthetic, which again the crossbow or an arm cannon is NOT, as I'd simply be unable to do a great many exercises I rely on with only a small stump below the shoulder on one side.

FYI - The NFL record for field goal distance was set and held for 43 yrs (1970-2013) by Tom Dempsey, a man born with a birth defect; no toes and fingers on his right side. This article was among the first found on a search:

http://www.sportsone...ting-field-goal

[vertigomez]

Iron Bull lost an eyeball, two fingers, and has a bum leg and still manages to be a badass so I don't really understand the no forearm complaint. Having a disability is not the end of the world.

[Elhanan]

Iron Bull lost an eyeball, two fingers, and has a bum leg and still manages to be a badass so I don't really understand the no forearm complaint. Having a disability is not the end of the world.

Depending if one plays the DLC, it could be....

[Gervaise]

The anchor made you special but it doesn't have to define who you are unless you let it.   To be honest my Inquisitors relied far more on their own natural gifts than the anchor.    My non mage elven hunter even began to feel that he liked being special a bit too much.   Having his arm taken away was initially devastating because he can't use his bow any more but since he took the assassin specialisation he will just spend some time retraining himself to be effective as a one handed dagger wielder.  He never wanted to be the Herald of Andraste and always anticipated them turning on him once they felt he was no longer useful, the history of Shartan, Ameridan and his people in the Dales amply prepared him for the latest developments.   So he disbanded and left himself free to hunt down Solas and stop him in whatever way he can.  

 

I feel it is more likely to affect you if you truly believed it was some sort of gift from the Maker.   Even after the Fade you could sort of kid yourself that the Maker had somehow intervened through the use of the Divine Justinia but Solas really prevents any sort of continuance of that belief.    I would imagine it is going to be pretty hard the Divine explaining away why the Maker's chosen is suddenly minus an arm but Mother  Giselle encouraged everyone to lie about what went on in the Fade, so I imagine they will come up with some sort of story to convince the multitudes. 

 

The fact is though that you did stop Corypheus and saved the world, anchor or no anchor.  

[Reznore57]

The anchor made you special but it doesn't have to define who you are unless you let it.   To be honest my Inquisitors relied far more on their own natural gifts than the anchor.    My non mage elven hunter even began to feel that he liked being special a bit too much.   Having his arm taken away was initially devastating because he can't use his bow any more but since he took the assassin specialisation he will just spend some time retraining himself to be effective as a one handed dagger wielder.  He never wanted to be the Herald of Andraste and always anticipated them turning on him once they felt he was no longer useful, the history of Shartan, Ameridan and his people in the Dales amply prepared him for the latest developments.   So he disbanded and left himself free to hunt down Solas and stop him in whatever way he can.  

 

I feel it is more likely to affect you if you truly believed it was some sort of gift from the Maker.   Even after the Fade you could sort of kid yourself that the Maker had somehow intervened through the use of the Divine Justinia but Solas really prevents any sort of continuance of that belief.    I would imagine it is going to be pretty hard the Divine explaining away why the Maker's chosen is suddenly minus an arm but Mother  Giselle encouraged everyone to lie about what went on in the Fade, so I imagine they will come up with some sort of story to convince the multitudes.   

 

Just craft a fake arm and say the Inquisitor was so devout he gave the Maker blessed arm away to the Chantry as a holy relic for the faithful since his work was done.

[The Baconer]

We just love jumping to extraordinary conclusions in order to render the Inquisitor wholly useless, don't we?

[Cha0sEff3ct]

It's not who they are, it's what they accomplished. The Warden defeated or helped defeat the Archdemon(As you could let Alistair or Loghain give the final blow), Hawke stopped the Arishok and The Inquisitor stopped Corypheus. Take those accomplishments away and they are all nobodies.

[Mr.House]

We just love jumping to extraordinary conclusions in order to render the Inquisitor wholly useless, don't we?

It's more like these people have not watched Evil Dead 2/Army of Darkness or read Berserk which shows that yes, a hero with a faked arm CAN be competent and good. It's all on execution.

[Dabrikishaw]

Without the Beacon...Shepard is not that special...

 

Without the Joining...the Warden is not that special...

 

Without his military expertise...Revan is not that special...