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[AshenEndymion]

So you admit it's not your business, yet you still want to comment on it. That doesn't strike me as particularly logical, Tammie. I mean, if you were gay, would you expect the option to criticize people for being straight?

Have you ever in the history of this franchise been able to tell people off based on who they're sleeping with?

 

Isn't Hawke able to imply that s/he don't like Isabella slutting it up around Kirkwall?

 

... On the topic, I only dislike that we have the option to say "Do what you will Dorian, I support you" with no option to say "Your father is right, Dorian."

[thats1evildude]

What did Origins have that so was ''un-PC''?

Well, the desire demons did fondle themselves. Maybe they should have had despair demons flopping their withered boobs around.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: we need more darkspawn genitals in this series. C'mon, BW, add some black, rotting hurlock dicks already!
 

Isn't Hawke able to imply that s/he don't like Isabella slutting it up around Kirkwall?

... On the topic, I only dislike that we have the option to say "Do what you will Dorian, I support you" with no option to say "Your father is right, Dorian."

I'm not aware of any such dialogue. If you can point me to it, I'll concede the argument.

 

Anyways, what was Dorian's father right about? Using a blood magic ritual to rewrite his son's personality at the risk of lobotomizing his son? You know that was the reason Dorian left Tevinter, correct?

[rapscallioness]

@SwobyJ, people are crazy.  Don't let it get to you. 

[actionhero112]

Bioware doesn't respect my right to play a bigoted, awful human being.

 

Typical game developer. Always expecting the best from me. They'll learn. 

[BansheeOwnage]

I had to reference the real and physical anti-gay bullying and assault  done through IRL blanket parties but he had to complain about his feels because DAI is too friendly to gays and doesn't let you actively disapprove.

 

But you're right. I think I just reached some soft limit and wanted to vent.

Disapproving any more than you can (mild confusion or personal disgust) wouldn't even make sense in that world, so that person obviously didn't pay enough attention to the Dragon Age universe that they claim Inquisition isn't a part of. I get angry and vexed at people too. It's okay to vent.

[thats1evildude]

Bioware should really follow the example of Lionhead Studios and allow us to fart in people's faces.

[Catche Jagger]

Dumb argument is dumb.

[AshenEndymion]

I'm not aware of any such dialogue. If you can point me to it, I'll concede the argument.

 

Anyways, what was Dorian's father right about? Using a blood magic ritual to rewrite his son's personality at the risk of lobotomizing his son? You know that was the reason Dorian left Tevinter, correct?

 

There may not actually be such dialogue.  I think I may just be misinterpreting some of what Hawke says during a Rival Isabella's Questioning Beliefs...

 

As for Dorian's father...  He's right that his son should just suck it up, get married, and have a child.  Especially if Dorian wants to keep using the Pavus name, and the money/lands/influence that comes with it.

 

If Dorian doesn't care about all that, then it's all good, imo... But Dorian hasn't exactly been running around Thedas penniless...

[Mr.House]

Bioware should really follow the example of Lionhead Studios and allow us to fart in people's faces.

And impregnate other players characters.

[Finis Valorum]

Male form for some desire demons in the next game, please.

 

As for Dorian's father...  He's right that his son should just suck it up, get married, and have a child.  Especially if Dorian wants to keep using the Pavus name, and the money/lands/influence that comes with it.

 

If Dorian doesn't care about all that, then it's all good, imo... But Dorian hasn't exactly been running around Thedas penniless...

 

But Lobotomizing his son instead of just disowning him and cutting him off financially, is taking it much too far.

There's also the fact that it's an arranged marriage to a woman he loathes, not a (lesbian) friend who understands. If I were a noble in a feudal society facing that sort of pressure I'd only consent to it if they'd let me marry a lesbian friend. Then we could promise each other that I won't ever fool around with other women while she will not get entangled with other men and sleep in the same bed for a few days every month only for as long as it takes to get her pregnant.

Other than that we can be friends with separate bedrooms. For me those would be the ingredients for a successful noble marriage.

[Jaison1986]

I'm not aware of any such dialogue. If you can point me to it, I'll concede the argument.

 

Anyways, what was Dorian's father right about? Using a blood magic ritual to rewrite his son's personality at the risk of lobotomizing his son? You know that was the reason Dorian left Tevinter, correct?

 

Well, one could argue that Dorian father is right that he should accept his family duties (wich ironically happens in Trespasser, though Dorian will never marry an woman). Doesn't mean it would be fair, but it is an opinion.

 

One thing I will say is that in this matters BW does take away choices for the sake of political correctness. You can criticize an character for just about any of their personal choices in life, but you will never get one if it's about their sexuality. In fact, I'm sure that if every mage in Thedas was an homosexual, the mages vs templars arguments would aways be won by the pro mages. The pro templars would be too scared to be acused of homophobia. I think that because society today is so sensitive, that in fear to offend, we end up censoring ourselves.

[thats1evildude]

As for Dorian's father... He's right that his son should just suck it up, get married, and have a child.

 

That makes sense. After all, if you want things to change in your decadent society, the first thing you should do is to strictly uphold the corrupt traditions of said decadent society.

 

 

Especially if Dorian wants to keep using the Pavus name, and the money/lands/influence that comes with it.

 

Setting aside Dorian's own wellbeing and that of his wife-to-be, that strikes me as a pretty shitty thing to do to your offspring. "Come sit on my knee, son, and let me tell you about the time I entered a loveless marriage with your mother so I could inherit your grandfather's title."

Should he also name the child "Cash-in"? It seems appropriate.

[AshenEndymion]

Male form for some desire demons in the next game, please.

 

 

But Lobotomizing his son instead of just disowning him and cutting him off financially, is taking it much too far.

There's also the fact that it's an arranged marriage to a woman he loathes, not a (lesbian) friend who understands. If I were a noble in a feudal society facing that sort of pressure I'd only consent to it if they'd let me marry a lesbian friend. Then we could promise each other that I won't ever fool around with other women while she will not get entangled with other men and sleep in the same bed for a few days every month only for as long as it takes to get her pregnant.

Other than that we can be friends with separate bedrooms. For me those would be the ingredients for a successful noble marriage.

 

Meh, if you're going to end your family line by disowning your only child, one may as well risk killing him in the process of changing his mind...  You've got nothing to lose.  Especially if the family line is more important to you...

 

And I'm willing to bet most people were put in arranged marriages with people they didn't necessarily like...  But such is the world of Thedas.  Those involved do it if they want the power/influence that comes of it.  Dorian can choose not to do such a thing, but saying "I don't want this" and then sticking around and living off his family isn't exactly "following through".

 

That strikes me as a pretty shitty thing to do to your offspring. "Come sit on my knee, son, and let me tell you about the time I entered a loveless marriage with your mother so I could inherit your grandfather's title."

Should he also name the child "Cash-in"? It seems appropriate.

 

The same could be said about most arranged marriages.  And if you set aside the homosexuality, that's all Dorian's bit is about.  Dorian doesn't want to get married to his father's choice of a bride.  That's fine.  But Dorian should have then left after their second/third/fourth argument...

 

He wanted the family name and the ability to choose his own partner.  And that is all fine and well, but it's just not something that the only child of a noble can realistically do...

[thats1evildude]

And I'm willing to bet most people were put in arranged marriages with people they didn't necessarily like...

And that's why they're generally not considered good things, at least by sane people.

 

 

And that is all fine and well, but it's just not something that the only child of a noble can realistically do...

 

 

I think the qunari use those posters.

[AshenEndymion]

I think the qunari use those posters.

 

Grey Wardens do too...

 

And I'm sure the nobles of Thedas use those posters, as well.  If only so their lessers stay in line.  And Dorian is a "lesser" to his father...

[Eelectrica]

So Half Life 3 still not announced then?

Because Steam and Valve and Half life... never mind.

[Aulis Vaara]

Discuss.

Well, that's making it a bit too extreme, but yeah, Dorian's quest does seem like a very special episode that doesn't really fit within Dragon Age (because most cultures there are ok with it) and the one that isn't, is rather unbelievable, because there's a simple compromise that a decadent empire as Tevinter would surely take: "I don't care who you ****, so long as you also provide an heir." Gay people often want kids too, so for most this wouldn't be a problem.

Then there's Krem who feels like a much better character if you don't bring up the gender thing.

Then there's the fact that almost nothing seems to have a bad outcome unless it's a set-up for the time next game.

Yeah, I can see where he's coming from.

[Donk]

Protocol.

 

 

Steam is worse than this place, from what I've browsed. I laughed my arse off at TW3 section when that game was first released.. threads with titles such as "TW3 is the gay game" (based on an NPC with a very minor role in the game, who happens to mention he had a relationship with another man) complaints like, "There's a tavern but I can't sit and take a drink. Where's my choice?" And, "Flower picking sim."

 

Sound familiar?

 

This part is true. 

I had a problem  with that myself. I wanted to actively disapprove of Doran & Sara's lifestyle choice . 

 

You are aware that you can boot SERA out, right?

You can also tell her she doesn't fit the Inquisition. On top of that, Sera's sexuality is barely mentioned in the game unless you romance her, or if playing as a male inquisitor, she tells him she's a lesbian after he hits on her.

 

You claimed earlier you "adore" Dorian.. oh but he's gay, he should be straight, he should be attracted to women, correct?

 

You have proven to be one of the biggest hypocrites on this site. First you claim "this game isn't a dating sim" yet you have in big letters "Cullen X Amell reunion in DA4" and I've seen you in certain threads, showing off screenshots of female inquisitors you have made, and stated who they will romance.

 

Secondly, you post things and play the victim with your "gay and transgender agenda being forced down my neck." When these people have had to put up with narrow-minded fools with your attitude for years. Get real.

 

As a lesbian, I can tell you now that it wasn't a "lifestyle choice". It's been natural for me to be attracted to women. And personally, I am disgusted with the idea of being sexually attracted to and falling in love with a man, but do you see me whinging about other people's preferences?

I have many straight friends. I don't hold it against them, and have no reason nor the right too.

 

Thirdly, while it is true that most gay people march and beg for acceptance. I don't. I don't give two tosses what anybody thinks. They have no right, and in real life, if anybody had the nerve to say the sorts of things people like you say, straight to my face, I would tell them to go suck a fat one and mind their own business. If it, in any way, jeopardized my life, however, I wouldn't hesitate to punch them out and render them unconscious.

 

You have an opinion, but nobody cares. Only those who agree with you, give a sh*t. People are gay, people like the same sex. Has eff all to do with you, deal with it.

[leadintea]

Dorian was a terribly handled character, IMO. He's one of the few (if only) characters in the entire series that got to have their cake and eat it too. People complain about Leliana and Fiona being Mary Sues, but Dorian is the Suest of the Sues in the entire DA franchise. He lived a privileged life and attended a great school, and was intelligent enough to master time magic. He was able to run away from his duty, yet still reap the same benefits that others in his position worked hard to get. His arrogance and snarkiness, his only bad traits, have been turned into endearing traits and his alcoholism is portrayed as a "woobie" trait to garner sympathy from the audience. He's either found a good friend in the Inquisitor or is their lover, and all the members of the Inquisition come to adore him and the one person who was skeptical of his intents, but was otherwise a good person at heart, is vilified by the audience. I mean, I'm all for positive portrayals of minorities but Bioware went to the extreme to make Dorian the perfect gay guy. Everything turns up Dorian and he doesn't have to struggle at all to get his way. I could say much more, but I'm typing this on my phone and don't want to go on even more on a tangent about how I dislike this guy and his portrayal. I just hope that the next gay character is a little more gray than Dorian is.

[SurelyForth]

Well, that's making it a bit too extreme, but yeah, Dorian's quest does seem like a very special episode that doesn't really fit within Dragon Age (because most cultures there are ok with it) and the one that isn't, is rather unbelievable, because there's a simple compromise that a decadent empire as Tevinter would surely take: "I don't care who you ****, so long as you also provide an heir." Gay people often want kids too, so for most this wouldn't be a problem.

Then there's Krem who feels like a much better character if you don't bring up the gender thing.

Then there's the fact that almost nothing seems to have a bad outcome unless it's a set-up for the time next game.

Yeah, I can see where he's coming from.

 

Dorian could compromise and play along, but he doesn't want to. His life has been defined by his breeding and the expectations of his family, and it's a system he clearly despises. Why would he want to perpetuate that? Why would he want to force his own child to go through the exact same misery he did? And, for some, having a "political" marriage that allows for lovers is not a viable option. He would still have to have sex with a woman at least once, and his sexual relationships would no doubt be complicated by his station and his unhappiness. 

 

While his personal quest is as much about his desire to be his own person, and to change the status quo in Tevinter, as it is about his sexuality. They could have very well made him straight and had the exact same quest- where he refused to an arranged marriage only for his father try to change his mind via blood magic. His sexuality just adds another layer that is, admittedly, heavy-handed but it's not unbelievable, given what we know about Tevinter and Dorian himself. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: we need more darkspawn genitals in this series. C'mon, BW, add some black, rotting hurlock dicks already!

Darkspawn don't have genitals. They are asexual(the without sexes kind) and are unable to reproduce. 

[thats1evildude]

Darkspawn don't have genitals. They are asexual(the without sexes kind) and are unable to reproduce.

They don't need to eat, but they still do. I bet they have genitals - black, diseased, pus-dripping genitals. Why else would they have loincloths?

[Broganisity]

They don't need to eat, but they still do. I bet they have genitals - black, diseased, pus-dripping genitals. Why else would they have loincloths?

[MrTijger]

Apparently being a bigot in RL is not enough for some, they need to roleplay a bigot in games as well? Even better, both Dorian and Sera can be removed from your party and not seen again which, to me, would seem disapproval enough but nooo...we have to rub it in their faces apparently?

 

Oh boy, some people...maybe Solas should hurry up?

[Donk]

Apparently being a bigot in RL is not enough for some, they need to roleplay a bigot in games as well? Even better, both Dorian and Sera can be removed from your party and not seen again which, to me, would seem disapproval enough but nooo...we have to rub it in their faces apparently?

 

Oh boy, some people...maybe Solas should hurry up?

 

Hmm. You've just made me realize something.

 

Maybe this is why I didn't get as mad as I should have when I spoke to him..