Both Mass Effect and Metal Gear are nonsensical if you really want to dig.
But MGSV shows that Kojima is not the writing senpai he built himself up to be.
It's not just the women who get the Kojima erotic treatment.
Eh to be fair, Konami has been a big bag of dicks towards Kojima, so I imagine there may have been executive meddling. From what I've seen of TPP though it's got a solid story, though Quiet needs more fleshing out
Don't be silly. If the question is whether it's appropriate to criticize someone for wearing a bikini, the setting in which she was wearing the bikini is obviously relevant. I get that you were trying to load the dice there by making the criticism obviously wrong, but that just means that you picked a bad example.
Hey, I'm glad that the fanservice worked for you. Didn't work for me, but tastes differ.
But this is no way to make an argument. I can't find any review that reads the way you say they read. The Kotaku review, for instance, complains about dumbness, not sexism, but likes the game fine anyway. I haven't found one that complains about sexism rather than stupidity.
The setting is a separate issue. I was talking about the hypocrisy of the reviewers, who called Quiet 'gross' simply because she is wearing a glorified bikini. This would not happen if we weren't talking about a medium, especially a medium whose reviewers are skewed ideologically towards the new-left which is very politically correct, and post modernist (the two go hand in hand). Quiet is modeled exactly after the likeness of Stefanie Joosten, these same reviewers would never say it to her face. They would consider it offensive, and cruel. I doubt that they even thought about the fact that they were essentially calling Joosten gross, they were just following what they have been conditioned to say. If these reviewers were actually thinking instead of following 'the politically correct guide to what to say when faced with any sort of female video game character' they would not have done so. If she went to an office job in a bikini, it might not be considered 'appropriate attire' due to corporate policy, however calling her disgusting simply for wearing a bikini is what is actually silly.
I don't know why you make this 'accusation' of fan service 'working for me', I merely stated my opinion that her outfit is a red herring Kojima was using to troll the SJWs with. As for you not being able to find the reviews, almost every single video, and written review from IGN to Polygon go on about what Quiet is wearing, as though it is some sort of negative thing that takes away from the Metal Gear experience. It's like if they don't mention it, the Po-Mo brigade will try to 'fix them' like any good ol' cult would.
Not every female character in MGS wears a thong, or other sexy attire like Quiet recently was.
The Boss, Meryl, Naomi, the B&B corps, etc.
MGS is a great franchise that explores a lot of impressive themes and concepts about what it means to be a soldier on the battlefield, among other things. Hell, they've even brought in military advisors so they do things right.
When did I defend Gaider's writing? I mean, I will say it's magnitudes better than Kojima's based purely on the grounds that it's coherent and cogent, but where did I defend it before?
Gaider's writing has actually become far too simplistic IMO. It's only coherent in the sense that it doesn't do anything more then go for... well... basic ****.
Wouldn't say that makes it 'better'.
It doesn't make any sense. That character, Quiet, is designed around a sexually repressed Japanese man's fantasies. She can't speak, so no pesky lady-opinions or nagging. She has to be 95% naked, so to asspull a reason for why... she's a plant person that absorbs sunlight, oxygen and water through her skin.
It's all completely stupid. Defending Kojima's writing is like defending Caddy Shack 2. It's impossible, so just don't even try lest you reveal yourself to be a total moron.
MGS has always had a penchant for weird ****, like how the Sorrow was a psychic medium or the other guy in The Boss' unit could control wasps. The End had a photosynthetic, Volgin had literal powers over electricity, etc.
Quiet's character description is in line with it, although I will agree that it was poorly done and needed more time (and a better outfit. She could still be sexy without going to the far end). I get what Kojima wanted to do with Quiet but I feel like it just... needed more to it.
The Navy was brought in to oversee the realism of the movie Battlefield. Your argument is invalid.
And beyond that, any themes and concepts touched on in the MGS series would be better explored just about anywhere else. The writing in the MGS games is nonsensical at best and usually childish.
What specifically is nonsensical and beyond Quiet and what's childish about the writing because these statements are huge generalizations?
The Navy was brought in to oversee the realism of the movie Battlefield. Your argument is invalid.
And beyond that, any themes and concepts touched on in the MGS series would be better explored just about anywhere else. The writing in the MGS games is nonsensical at best and usually childish.
Gonna need a source on that, because while I know that movie used Navy sailors as extras I never heard about that. But then I never go out of my way to find out extra information on movie development.
I'm genuinely curious though if they did that.
And whatever. You can continue to call it childish and silly, and I'll be over here playing MGS and enjoying it. Particularly the Boss and Big Boss.
What specifically is nonsensical and beyond what's childish about the writing because these statement are huge generalizations?
Also this.
TPP is had some pretty meh boss fights compared to the other MGS games.
I don't know, those Parasite Units were very boss like, and every time they showed up I had a heart attack. lol Like the time they jumped out of the back of that truck you are supposed to fulton. As soon as I got about two feet away from it, the cut scene of them jumping out played, and I was like "really Kojima, really?" And I just imagined him saying, "Do you likkkkkeeee it? Muhahahahahaha!!!" lol I got into the PMC's armored vehicle and started shooting them with the cannon, and to my horror, every time I would shoot one of the Parasite Unit with the cannon, a layer of their skin and mussel would be destroyed, it was messed up, like something out of Hellraiser. 
Say what you want about Quiet, she seems to be developing a nice Cosplay culture. People are embracing her.
The Navy was brought in to oversee the realism of the movie Battlefield. Your argument is invalid.
And beyond that, any themes and concepts touched on in the MGS series would be better explored just about anywhere else. The writing in the MGS games is nonsensical at best and usually childish.
Metal Gear is only semi-realistic. It became a bit more realistic with every game (espicaly when technology progressed, and game mechanics changed), however it has always been a 'video-game', it a series that is famous for its hilarious 'self-awareness' of being a game. The stylization and the anime shenanigans is part of what makes Metal Gear, Metal Gear. It's very eclectic.
The setting is a separate issue. I was talking about the hypocrisy of the reviewers, who called Quiet 'gross' simply because she is wearing a glorified bikini. This would not happen if we weren't talking about a medium, especially a medium whose reviewers are skewed ideologically towards the new-left which is very politically correct, and post modernist (the two go hand in hand). Quiet is modeled exactly after the likeness of Stefanie Joosten, these same reviewers would never say it to her face. They would consider it offensive, and cruel. I doubt that they even thought about the fact that they were essentially calling Joosten gross, they were just following what they have been conditioned to say. If these reviewers were actually thinking instead of following 'the politically correct guide to what to say when faced with any sort of female video game character' they would not have done so. If she went to an office job in a bikini, it might not be considered 'appropriate attire' due to corporate policy, however calling her disgusting simply for wearing a bikini is what is actually silly.
Your tinfoil hat could use some adjusting, I think.
What specifically is nonsensical and beyond Quiet and what's childish about the writing because these statements are huge generalizations?
Gonna need a source on that, because while I know that movie used Navy sailors as extras I never heard about that. But then I never go out of my way to find out extra information on movie development.
I'm genuinely curious though if they did that.
And whatever. You can continue to call it childish and silly, and I'll be over here playing MGS and enjoying it. Particularly the Boss and Big Boss.
Also this.
Say what you want about Quiet, she seems to be developing a nice Cosplay culture. People are embracing her. I do not understand what all the fuss is about.
Internalized misogyny m'kay.
Internalized misogyny m'kay.
Oh, so thats how it is? A female cannot explore/flaunt her sexuality without being perceived as internalized misogyny?
FYI, cosplayers cosplaying doesn't mean a design isn't stupid. Cammy White(from Street Fighter) also has a stupid design but it's iconic so lots of cosplayers do Cammy cosplay.
FYI just cause you perceive something as stupid does not mean that is the same as others. I think the design of Iron Bull with his big body and peanut head is a stupid design, but does that make it a fact?
I mean seriously, chill out. It is a VIDEOGAME! MGS5 is not a real-life simulator on how one should dress professionally in a business environment.
This is the same series that has people sneaking around and boxes.....
MGS has always been a series that leaned heavily on fanservice for both genders. While characters like Quiet got more media attention, there's still a lot of fanservice in the game in regards to men. Hell, Venom Snake can dress in Quiet's outfit.
Not by any means equal, but the scales aren't quite as tipped to one side either.
Because nano machines.
They're the phlebotinum of the series. That's not anything really bad.
****, look at lyrium for Dragon Age. Bioware's going the way of using that for just about everything.
Oh, so thats how it is? A female cannot explore/flaunt her sexuality without being perceived as internalized misogyny?
Not sure if you're being facetious, but Hierophant was being such.
Your tinfoil hat could use some adjusting, I think.
Tinfoil hat? Is it because I used corporate in a sentence, and your brain locked up? Corporations or firms have rules for office attire, which is all I meant. The video I watched was on IGN, and they called Quiet gross due to her 'presentation'. So, no conspiracy.
Also I mean from my rudimentary knowledge of nanomachines there's a lot that can be done with them, so it makes sense that they'd be so extensive -- and for MGS, which goes for the fantastic sometimes, to there as well.
The setting is a separate issue. I was talking about the hypocrisy of the reviewers, who called Quiet 'gross' simply because she is wearing a glorified bikini. This would not happen if we weren't talking about a medium, especially a medium whose reviewers are skewed ideologically towards the new-left which is very politically correct, and post modernist (the two go hand in hand).
Quiet is modeled exactly after the likeness of Stefanie Joosten, these same reviewers would never say it to her face. I doubt that they even thought about the fact that they were essentially calling Joosten gross, they were just following what they have been conditioned to say.
If these reviewers were actually thinking instead of following 'the politically correct guide to what to say when faced with any sort of female video game character' they would not have done so. If she went to an office job in a bikini, it might not be considered 'appropriate attire' due to corporate policy, however calling her disgusting simply for wearing a bikini is what is actually silly.
I don't know why you make this 'accusation' of fan service 'working for me', I merely stated my opinion that her outfit is a red herring Kojima was using to troll the SJWs with. As for you not being able to find the reviews, almost every single video, and written review from IGN to Polygon go on about what Quiet is wearing, as though it is some sort of negative thing that takes away from the Metal Gear experience. It's like if they don't mention it, the Po-Mo brigade will try to 'fix them' like any good ol' cult would.
FYI just cause you perceive something as stupid does not mean that is the same as others. I think the design of Iron Bull with his big body and peanut head is a stupid design, but does that make it a fact?
I mean seriously, chill out. It is a VIDEOGAME! MGS5 is not a real-life simulator on how one should dress professionally in a business environment.
This is the same series that has people sneaking around and boxes.....
Iron Bull's head is proportionally too small for his body and actually smaller than the heads of normal-sized humans in DAI. So yes, it is kind of a stupid design.
Some things are objectively stupid. Lots of things in video games fall into that category.
This is why the video game industry holds up Kojima as some kind of beacon or auteur: no standards. Too many people are just fine with video games being terribly written.
It is your opinion that MGS5 (or the series as a whole) is terribly written. Perhaps it isn't your style of narrative but that does not mean it isn't grand to someone else.
Some people believe Bioware games to be terribly written because the stories are so simplistic. In fact, I do believe Bioware stories are very simplistic, it is just masked because the characters are so enjoyable so we forget about how simple the stories are.
Say what you want about Quiet, she seems to be developing a nice Cosplay culture. People are embracing her.
As with a lot of things, it's usually just the uggos and land cows(that needlessly to say couldn't cosplay characters like Quiet properly) and their male orbiters that are upset about these sort of things. The quality attractive chicks aren't bothered by this one bit.
Reminds me of this:
They're the phlebotinum of the series. That's not anything really bad.
****, look at lyrium for Dragon Age. Bioware's going the way of using that for just about everything.
It is your opinion that MGS5 (or the series as a whole) is terribly written. Perhaps it isn't your style of narrative but that does not mean it isn't grand to someone else.
Some people believe Bioware games to be terribly written because the stories are so simplistic. In fact, I do believe Bioware stories are very simplistic, it is just masked because the characters are so enjoyable so we forget about how simple the stories are.
It is your opinion that MGS5 (or the series as a whole) is terribly written. Perhaps it isn't your style of narrative but that does not mean it isn't grand to someone else.
Some people believe Bioware games to be terribly written because the stories are so simplistic. In fact, I do believe Bioware stories are very simplistic, it is just masked because the characters are so enjoyable so we forget about how simple the stories are.
So a convoluted, nonsensical plots is more interesting to you then?
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