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What if Kojima wrote and directed MEA?


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#326
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I'm tossing you a "like," but I'm not sure irony will be effective here.

 

Yeah the probability of a misunderstanding is pretty high when you use irony on an internet forum. I hope that the smiley makes it more clear but that´s probably wishful thinking.



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I see alot of people slandering Kojima and his masterpiece but Bioware wishes they had a fraction of MGS 5 sals with their latest game. Or at least EA does.



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I see alot of people slandering Kojima and his masterpiece but Bioware wishes they had a fraction of MGS 5 sals with their latest game. Or at least EA does.

I wouldn't call it a masterpiece.

 

MGS1-3 were masterpieces, V was good but not stellar. 

 

Regarding Quiet's attire or lack of it, yeah it's pretty gratuitous like Old Snake's crack. Fortunately, you can equip more sensible XOF combat uniforms or Sniper Wolf's attire (which is a perfect mix of sexy and tactical) but you can only develop them very late in the game. 



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I wouldn't call it a masterpiece.

 

MGS1-3 were masterpieces, V was good but not stellar. 

 

Regarding Quiet's attire or lack of it, yeah it's pretty gratuitous like Old Snake's crack. Fortunately, you can equip more sensible XOF combat uniforms or Sniper Wolf's attire (which is a perfect mix of sexy and tactical) but you can only develop them very late in the game. 

 

I lament that i only was able to create the XOF uniform right before i lost her for good, and i wasn't even aware of the sniper wolf outfit at the time either.

 

I'm sad.


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I wonder if people do know that there is usually some other parts in porn other than penetration? It's not all full on action 24/7..

 

And yes it looks like some badly-made artsy porn.

 

I skip those parts


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I skip those parts

 

Yeah, I'm not sure but is Panda trying to say that he or she watches porn for the story? Personally tho I feel that the stories in porn have been dumbed down in recent years.

 

Oh damn. 5,000 posts, time to party! YOLO!!

 


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Yeah, I'm not sure but is Panda trying to say that he or she watches porn for the story? Personally tho I feel that the stories in porn have been dumbed down in recent years.

 

Oh damn. 5,000 posts, time to party! YOLO!!

 

 

What I'm saying is that the rain scene seems like something in badly made artsy porn, seriously why I have to keep repeating myself..



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Andres, for someone who complains about other posters being monotonous, you sure do repeat yourself a lot, without actually advancing the discussion. This is the third time you're posted the stuff below without responding to questions about it.

No what I said was "You said "Who gives a damn about the model? She's a model paid to do a job. (As a reminder, this makes you sound like a ******). She was not just a model, this is false, hence why I told you that she also sang that rather lovely piece, and was also the voice actress for Quiet. Credit where credit is due, to do otherwise is to be rude, you don't seem to have a concept of rudeness it's rather disturbing."


I can keep reposting the questions as long as you want to keep ducking them. To reiterate: first, why does the fact that the model did other things make her any more relevant to the topic? She wasn't relevant as just a model, and she isn't any more relevant as a model/VA/singer. Second, why should I give a damn about her? Do you give a damn about Vanderloo or whoever the hell modelled for Liara? If so, why?

It occurs to me that we may be operating from different definitions of "giving a damn." I'm leaving Joosten in the same category as all the other billions of people I've never heard of, have no relationship with, and in all likelihood will never meet. Why should she be in any other category?

And out of idle curiosity, why do you keep talking about how my attitude disturbs you and that I sound like a ********? Surely this can't be of any interest to anybody. It's getting a little.... wait for it ... monotonous.

You keep alternating from calling Quiet and MGS itslef fan service, without explain what you mean. You just say "it is, therefore it is!"

I said I agreed with the IGN guys. You mean you didn't understand their position either?

I don't think you even know what silly means. Silliness has always been important in literature, it shows people getting some enjoyment out of life by rebelling against the depressing quagmire that life mostly consists of. Stupidity is something else; it is usually something illogical that winds up getting another person hurt. Silliness, if intentional, is good intentioned, and even if it is spontaneous it is always innocent. I gave you famous literary examples that are celebrated for their silliness, P.G Wodehous' writing is rather silly. People actually used to celebrate the silliness in Metal Gear.

Surely you're not saying that silliness always works, are you? Look at this thread -- the rain scene is inspiring derisive contempt, not joy. Silliness isn't always a good thing; it depends on the implementation.

I've already explained this: "Any dialogue that deals with how people 'express themselves' e.g. what someone wears etc., is already dealing with morals, it becomes an 'issue' when someone tries to tell someone else how they should or should not express themselves."

You're repeating yourself again. That wasn't an explanation the first time, and it still isn't. Where do morals come in?


Telling someone that they "should not wear that" is telling someone that they should not express themselves in that way.

But, again, the reason for that "should" doesn't necessarily have to have anything to do with morality. It can also be sound practical advice.

The bikini itself is not 'dumb' considering what Quiet is.

Which is exactly the point of the criticism. The dumb bikini comes first, and then a rationale to justify the bikini is created.

I'll just avoid the ranting about PC because, frankly, it's a terrible bore.
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#334
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What I'm saying is that the rain scene seems like something in badly made artsy porn, seriously why I have to keep repeating myself..

 

Because you're repeating it to people who will never agree with you.

 

Personally, I watched the scene after all this hullabaloo, and I think calling it "porn" is a little excessive. More like something from a C movie. Han Shot First nailed it - it's all pretty Wiseau. People seem to think it's pretty enjoyable, though. I for one encourage them to seek out their own personal truth.

 

Pretty sure you couldn't pay me to play the game, though.


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If Kojima wrote and directed ME:A the entire game would be as nonsensical as the ME3 ending and every female character would look like Miranda in a thong.

Seriously, MGS is a dumb franchise. They're not well written games, they're just fun games that are weighed down by stupid stories and horrendous characters/dialog.

Right, probably he'll never allow a female to be protagonist.



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Dude ripped off Snake Plissken



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Right, probably he'll never allow a female to be protagonist.

 

LMAO

http://www.polygon.c...haracter-secret

 

also

http://www.polygon.c...inoffs-the-boss

 

When people speak without knowing the man.


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#338
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https://www.youtube....h?v=VQERdXvKTnI

 

This is some real high-brow art right here. Clearly an artist expressing his deepest emotions in the way a business like BioWare wouldn't understand. All BioWare understands is fanservice, and appealing to the lowest common denominator.

 

:rolleyes:

 

What. The. ****. Did. I. Just. Witness. :mellow:

 

Maybe that would make more sense if I had any context whatsoever but also maybe not.



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LMAO

http://www.polygon.c...haracter-secret

 

also

http://www.polygon.c...inoffs-the-boss

 

When people speak without knowing the man.

Stop it, people are too busy being offended by a game they've never played and will never play.


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Better writer in terms of what exactly? Like side characters, villains, overarching narrative, dialogue, politics?

 

After replaying the older MG games like MGS2 i'm not so sure about this.

 

I found MSG2 story a complete re-tread of MSG1 and the boring and tedious dialogue between the characters that went on and on and on. If I want to listen a wack job's conspiracy theories about the Wiseman council and secret lizard men secretly ruling the world I would listen to nut jobs like Alex Jones and Glenn Beck.

 

It's poor attempts to be meta when Raiden doesn't know if he's VR or not was stupid. The villains are stupid. I lost all interest in MSG after 2 and I have zero interest in Kojima's crap.  



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Stop it, people are too busy being offended by a game they've never played and will never play.

 

Polygon and other such left wing rags(kotaku,RPS,etc) are all about producing clickbait and outrage porn for their audiences.

 

Fortunately, more often than not, it ends up blowing up in their faces and contributing to the success of games they moan about, such as Dragon's Crown and Huniepop.



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You have to Think  MGS V dos not know what PC is and we should not use words it dos not understand It is a throw back game I like to think of it as 1980's action movie with  explosions and Buxom women.I will  Pick this game up at on sell on steam around Christmas.



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The guy who wrote, 'directed', designed, marketed, and polished The Witcher 3.

That guy. Is. God.

/turnoffsarcasm

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The guy who wrote, 'directed', designed, marketed, and polished The Witcher 3.

That guy. Is. God.

/turnoffsarcasm

they made and Marketed the Witcher 3 with a small team and 81 million budget they have shown tripple A studios have things can be done.



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they made and Marketed the Witcher 3 with a small team and 81 million budget they have shown tripple A studios have things can be done.


So...?

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So...?

Witcher 3  give alot of free dlc they never cut things out of there game to nickle and Dime us and before you Say any thing About the Season pass for those 2 DLCs those are being made as we speck they will never part of the Main Game.



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they made and Marketed the Witcher 3 with a small team and 81 million budget they have shown tripple A studios have things can be done.

 

Witcher 3  give alot of free dlc they never cut things out of there game to nickle and Dime us and before you Say any thing About the Season pass for those 2 DLCs those are being made as we speck they will never part of the Main Game.

 

Ignoring the how much bang you get for that 81 mill USD when you're paying the developers in Zloty, CDPR are owned and funded by one of the worlds largest and most successful game distributors. They're also shrewd as hell, and take a long view on what's best for their bottom line, which EA apparently doesn't. They're not doing that solely out of the goodness of their heart though. Which doesn't diminish their conduct but it does make all the moon-eyed fainting over them seem ridiculous.

 

They are EA, though. They just haven't been around long enough to alienate people. Let's check back 10 years and 5 games from now.


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Ignoring the how much bang you get for that 81 mill USD when you're paying the developers in Zloty, CDPR are owned and funded by one of the worlds largest and most successful game distributors. They're also shrewd as hell, and take a long view on what's best for their bottom line, which EA apparently doesn't. They're not doing that solely out of the goodness of their heart though. Which doesn't diminish their conductm but it just makes all the moon-eyed fainting over them seem ridiculous. T

 

They are EA, though. They just haven't been around long enough to alienate people. Let's check back 10 years and 5 games from now.

Your Logic is Sound.



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Well as expected by BSN any drawn comparisons to other will be met with hatred next to anything BioWare has done.

As for Kojima?

I think he's genuinely managed to create some great stories, and engaging, characters specifically pre-Guns of the Patriots. Snake Eater being the one that stands out among them -- Guns of the Patriots was a load of ****** though that fed solely on fan service and nostalgia, to distract from its poor handling of dangling plot threads the needed resolving.

Had he managed to keep up on the quality of the first 3 games I'd probably be more inclined to praise his stuff.

I'll say this though -- The Silent Hills teaser, P.T. was excellent. Disregarding his tendency to yet again using a Hollywood actor, clinging to his love for cinema, it was a genuinely good horror game that hit all the right notes, regardless. There was a very good backstory behind it too -- It's incredible how much hidden content he can place into a game, let alone a demo, something which Silent Hill was known for too.
The story would always be partially told through the environment, the things you interact with etc

Anyway..

BioWare isn't any better - The only game from them that I felt has been truly unique in its storytelling was Jade Empire. Everything else has been ardous rethreading of predictable plots we've seen from them before, and characters that play on familiar BioWare tropes.

Gaider once said that what BioWare does best are characters and I can't help but agree when I look at Dragon Age, Mass Effect or The Old Republic.

All in all I miss writers like Chris L'Etoile as he added a lot of things to Mass Effect I liked.

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Kojima is good. Not god. And he's definitely not above doing juvenile crap. That said, Quiet is a rather overt commentary on S!ut-shaming. Which is rather appropriate given the current cosplay and twitch.tv culture.

 

You don't have to be a genius to notice, you just have to pay attention.