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[The Hierophant]

I found MSG2 story a complete re-tread of MSG1 and the boring and tedious dialogue between the characters that went on and on and on. If I want to listen a wack job's conspiracy theories about the Wiseman council and secret lizard men secretly ruling the world I would listen to nut jobs like Alex Jones and Glenn Beck.

You're confusing the game's main plot with Kojima's message since the Wiseman's Council are the series main antagonsists while the underlying theme was about the perception history/information, and it's effect on the present.

It's poor attempts to be meta when Raiden doesn't know if he's VR or not was stupid. The villains are stupid. I lost all interest in MSG after 2 and I have zero interest in Kojima's crap.

Sure.

[RZIBARA]

at least if kojima made an ME game it wouldnt be a panderfest for SJW's. 

 

I wish he would work on Mass Effect, guy knows stuff

[FKA_Servo]

at least if kojima made an ME game it wouldnt be a panderfest for SJW's. 

 

I wish he would work on Mass Effect, guy knows stuff

 

Ignoring the fact that this is completely ridiculous, we have established that you're just trading one panderfest for another panderfest, as MGSV has shown.

 

And Kojima makes ME3 look like Shakespeare. No, I hope he stays far, far away.

[KaiserShep]

I just now watched that Quiet rain scene. I needed the laugh.

[N7_Salohcin]

So the Bioware Mod closed all the other "wrote and directed" threads, but left this one. Is this some kind of sign???

[KaiserShep]

So the Bioware Mod closed all the other "wrote and directed" threads, but left this one. Is this some kind of sign???

This calls for congratulations to Dutch. Good job bro. You made it.

[N7_Salohcin]

I don't always make non-sensical threads... but when I do... I survive the Bioware mods...

[Faust1979]

Saren would come back possessing someones arm and it would be completely ridiculous like in Metal Gear Solid 2.  It would be overly convoluted and various characters turning on each other for various reasons at the last moment. 

[o Ventus]

I think Kojima is a good developer, but not a very good writer. You know you kind of dropped the ball somewhere when you need an encyclopedia to follow the plot of even 1 of your games.

[Andres Hendrix]

Andres, for someone who complains about other posters being monotonous, you sure do repeat yourself a lot, without actually advancing the discussion. This is the third time you're posted the stuff below without responding to questions about it.


I can keep reposting the questions as long as you want to keep ducking them. To reiterate: first, why does the fact that the model did other things make her any more relevant to the topic? She wasn't relevant as just a model, and she isn't any more relevant as a model/VA/singer. Second, why should I give a damn about her? Do you give a damn about Vanderloo or whoever the hell modelled for Liara? If so, why?

It occurs to me that we may be operating from different definitions of "giving a damn." I'm leaving Joosten in the same category as all the other billions of people I've never heard of, have no relationship with, and in all likelihood will never meet. Why should she be in any other category?

And out of idle curiosity, why do you keep talking about how my attitude disturbs you and that I sound like a ********? Surely this can't be of any interest to anybody. It's getting a little.... wait for it ... monotonous.

I said I agreed with the IGN guys. You mean you didn't understand their position either?

Surely you're not saying that silliness always works, are you? Look at this thread -- the rain scene is inspiring derisive contempt, not joy. Silliness isn't always a good thing; it depends on the implementation.

You're repeating yourself again. That wasn't an explanation the first time, and it still isn't. Where do morals come in?


But, again, the reason for that "should" doesn't necessarily have to have anything to do with morality. It can also be sound practical advice.

Which is exactly the point of the criticism. The dumb bikini comes first, and then a rationale to justify the bikini is created.

I'll just avoid the ranting about PC because, frankly, it's a terrible bore.

You love red herrings. Where do morals come from? That's quite the question. You've got to be joking or a troll.

You just think it's sound practical advice because you fall somewhere in the cluster b personalities, and think whatever you say is sound, on the merit that you are the one saying it. Even if your advice was 'practical', it's still a 'moral situation' because the dialectic deals with freedom of expression. You are worse than monotonous, you don't address what is actually written to you, and you respond in a manner that makes it seem like you have either ignored, or have not understood what has been written. This means that the original author has to repeat what they have written previously to show that your accusations are false. For the final time, I mentioned Joosten's actual roles in the game, simply because you were wrong to call her 'just a model' (which you put in a very rude manner).

[Andres Hendrix]

I'm starting to think that you don't know what porn is. It looks exactly like the intro to a porn-flick. A high quality porn-flick maybe but a porn-flick nontheless.

 

The context makes it arguably even worse.

So does it look like actual porn to you, or the intro to porn? It's one or the other.

[FKA_Servo]

You love red herrings. Where do morals come from? That's quite the question. You've got to be joking or a troll.

You just think it's sound practical advice because you fall somewhere in the cluster b personalities, and think whatever you say is sound, on the merit that you are the one saying it. Even if your advice was 'practical', it's still a 'moral situation' because the dialectic deals with freedom of expression. You are worse than monotonous, you don't address what is actually written to you, and you respond in a manner that makes it seem like you have either ignored, or have not understood what has been written. This means that the original author has to repeat what they have written previously to show that your accusations are false. For the final time, I mentioned Joosten's actual roles in the game, simply because you were wrong to call her 'just a model' which you put in a very rude manner.

 

It's adorable that you've been stuck on this since Friday. If he's not worth your time, why not just let it go? In all likelihood the only thing that Stephanie Joosten cares about less than someone (not actually, if you had an ounce of reading comprehension) disparaging her performance in a brain dead video game is your frantic defense of same.

[o Ventus]

So does it look like actual porn to you, or the intro to porn? It's one or the other.

 

... The intro to a porn movie or video is still a segment of that porn movie or video, ergo, one can safely say that the intro is that porn movie or video. They aren't separate entities.

 

That's like saying that the end credits to a film aren't part of the film.

[Andres Hendrix]

... The intro to a porn movie or video is still a segment of that porn movie or video, ergo, one can safely say that the intro is that porn movie or video. They aren't separate entities.

 

That's like saying that the end credits to a film aren't part of the film.

All definitions of porn state that for pornography to be considered pornographic, it requires sexually explicit material, there is no sexually explicit material in that scene. You have one person in a bikini, there is not even any nudity let alone actual intercourse. As someone on here stated about the intros etc, they skip all that. Calling the Quiet scene in question pornographic is a blatant exaggeration a tactic committed by trolls, and cranky and or insecure adolescents.

[countofhell]

You could have hide yourself from the aliens inside a cardboard box, watch nude pictures inside the lockers and use the best stealth drive in the Galaxy and no alien eyes can see your ship even tough you are behind an enemy Cruiser.

[Andres Hendrix]

It's adorable that you've been stuck on this since Friday. If he's not worth your time, why not just let it go? In all likelihood the only thing that Stephanie Joosten cares about less than someone (not actually, if you had an ounce of reading comprehension) disparaging her performance in a brain dead video game is your frantic defense of same.

Yeah, I had some family issues so I had more important things to deal with for the last few days. I think it is sleazy that you pick the lowest possible motive, and believe that you have found the only real one. Secondly you have no part in this 'conversation' so mind your own business, it's between me and him.

[o Ventus]

All definitions of porn state that for pornography to be considered pornographic, it requires sexually explicit material, there is no sexually explicit material in that scene. You have one person in a bikini, there is not even any nudity let alone actual intercourse. As someone on here stated about the intros etc, they skip all that.

 

And we've found the pedant, ladies and gentlemen. I don't even know what scene you people are talking about, I just take issue with your statement that the intro to a porn movie is somehow different than a porn movie in and of itself. That's like saying that The Avengers and the post-credits sequence in The Avengers are wholly separate movies.

[FKA_Servo]

And we've found the pedant, ladies and gentlemen. I don't even know what scene you people are talking about, I just take issue with your statement that the intro to a porn movie is somehow different than a porn movie in and of itself. That's like saying that The Avengers and the post-credits sequence in The Avengers are wholly separate movies.

 

In someone's defense (I don't even know who at this point), it's not "porn" so much as "direct-to-DVD National Lampoon movie."

 

Yeah, I had some family issues so I had more important things to deal with for the last few days. I think it is sleazy that you pick the lowest possible motive, and believe that you have found the only real one. Secondly you have no part in this 'conversation' so mind your own business, it's between me and him.

 

Ah, so it's a point of honor. Apologies, I didn't know it was so srs.

[Andres Hendrix]

And we've found the pedant, ladies and gentlemen. I don't even know what scene you people are talking about, I just take issue with your statement that the intro to a porn movie is somehow different than a porn movie in and of itself. That's like saying that The Avengers and the post-credits sequence in The Avengers are wholly separate movie

If you don't know what the scene is, then your opinion on the matter is moot.

[zestalyn]

I object the notion of Quiet not being an innovative characters....to find a woman capable of being silent for so long it's clearly uncommon.

 

waiiiiiiiit so wait..this girl Quiet is forced to both wear a bikini and not talk? Lmao talk about the perfect female character

Scuse my ignorance, I truly don't know much about MGS. I always stayed cleared of it  b/c the games first came out when i was really young, like bed time curfew young, and the only message I was imprinted with from whatever marketing it had back in the day was that it was clearly a sausage fest piece of entertainment given the amount of tasteless & unrealistic amount of cleavage that came with its image. And I grew up as a tomboy who was used to making compromises for "boyish" hobbies, and even then, I couldn't take those games seriously enough to ever be curious about it later on.

So charmed to see that it hasn't changed in that respect. Personally, it's silliness like that that sometimes make it a wee bit embarrassing to show a public interest in video games (atleast for me, since most of my friends/network are non-gamers, and female to boot) I'm of the opinion that it's poster children like Quiet that contribute to making this hobby seem like its designed for tasteless hopelessly sex-deprived perverted creepy basement dwellers and therefore induce lay people to crinkle their noses when they think of "gamers". MGS strikes me as the kind of game that can initially appear mature and contemporary with all of the grit it can throw in, but quickly comes off childishonce they shoehorn someone like Quiet in.

 

Rage on me all you want for talking down a popular franchise I know little about, I am sorry for that. But don't blame me for simply explaining the kind impression a game like MGS sends to me with their character "designs". That's what I'm talking about. Maybe link that together with the general scorn, mockery, & lack of appreciation the rest of society has for the gaming world and put two and two together. You don't need to be any sort of prude to have the opinion that some aesthetics have the feeble and primitive mark of a desperate 13 year old boy and are easy to make fun of and down upon.

[Vol_Tang_Clan]

What Quiet needs is a good pressure suit. You can even have it equipped with an array of UV lights in the lining, to keep you tanned, or in Quiet's case to keep her fed. Kojima's a fool, but what should I expect from an earth-clan.

[AlanC9]

It's adorable that you've been stuck on this since Friday. If he's not worth your time, why not just let it go? In all likelihood the only thing that Stephanie Joosten cares about less than someone (not actually, if you had an ounce of reading comprehension) disparaging her performance in a brain dead video game is your frantic defense of same.

Right. All I've ever been disparaging is the stuff she's had to perform, not the performance of that stuff. Can't imagine how Andres would respond if I really did disparage her performance, but there's not enough there to criticize. It's not like I can say that she splashed water wrong. I suppose I could say mean things about that song, but I'd have to listen to it first.

[AlanC9]

Yeah, I had some family issues so I had more important things to deal with for the last few days. I think it is sleazy that you pick the lowest possible motive, and believe that you have found the only real one. Secondly you have no part in this 'conversation' so mind your own business, it's between me and him.

Actually, I'm inviting him into the conversation, if he wants in. I found his comment well-phrased and worth reading.

[AlanC9]

You love red herrings. Where do morals come from? That's quite the question. You've got to be joking or a troll.

Red herring? It's the substance of the dispute. You say that this is a moral issue, but you're unable to say why. I don't see the relevance of morality to wearing bikinis in socially inappropriate settings; it's a matter of pure social convention, and nothing more. Some people would claim otherwise, but that's because their moral theories are non-rational. There's nothing wrong with a non-rational moral theory, of course, but I don't have to take such a theory's claims seriously as a non-adherent. (Edit: the most common form of such irrationality is conflating morality with social convention... though you can go all the way and say that it's all social convention.)

And hey, what's with all the funny font work, anyway? It looks really odd when editing unformatted, which is the only way to do this on mobile.

You just think it's sound practical advice because you fall somewhere in the cluster b personalities, and think whatever you say is sound, on the merit that you are the one saying it. Even if your advice was 'practical', it's still a 'moral situation' because the dialectic deals with freedom of expression.

You mean that "don't wear a bikini to the office if you want to be taken seriously" isn't sound practical advice? Really? For me to be wrong about that being sound practical advice, I'd have to, you know, actually be wrong about that being sound practical advice. So, make the case. Why is this bad advice?

Or are you proceeding from some moral theory where sound practical advice about anything that can be considered self-expression is simply impossible because it infringes upon... self-actualization, or some such? I'm guessing here, since you seem to be just assuming that your reasoning is obvious.

What's a cluster b personality, anyway? I'd google it, but I figure your explanation will be more entertaining. And... dialectic? Seriously?

You are worse than monotonous, you don't address what is actually written to you, and you respond in a manner that makes it seem like you have either ignored, or have not understood what has been written. This means that the original author has to repeat what they have written previously to show that your accusations are false.

That's simply untrue. I've rejected certain unfounded assumptions you've made, and asked for their foundations. You've been unable or unwilling to supply any.

For the final time, I mentioned Joosten's actual roles in the game, simply because you were wrong to call her 'just a model' (which you put in a very rude manner).[/size][/font]

Yep. And whether she's just the model, or just the model/actress/singer, she's still irrelevant to the topic. Will this be the final time I have to explain that to you?

[Hazegurl]

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Funny that you admit to knowing absolutely nothing about the series or the women in it but have passed several paragraphs worth of judgements based solely on how the women look and dress. I thought passing judgement on women based on how they look was something we're not supposed to be doing. *shrug*