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What if Kojima wrote and directed MEA?


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#101
The Hierophant

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Personally, I've a hell of a lot more respect for people who just come striaght out and admit fanservice is fanservice than those that try to come up with BS to "justify" it.

Kojima already stated the outfit was designed with cosplayers in mind (giggity), on top of him creating an in universe reason for such an outfit.



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great dialogue, well written themes

 

 

LOL.

 

7/10 trolly stars.



#103
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This would be a bad idea because he would do something that he feels is "artistic" and people would slam him over it for years just like when Dr. Ray Muzyka made the comment about "artistic integrity" about the endings to Mass Effect 3 and people still bring it up three years later.

 

I don't understand the request for Kojima focuses on the areas that are the most notorious of Mass Effect a lot more then BioWare has implemented in the games in teh past.  I keep seeing the complaints about faces makes when exploring, the gratuitous ass shots of Miranda in Mass Effect 2, or the endings of Mass Effect 3.  Those types of things are a lot more common in a Kojima game.  So if people want Mass Effect to get better why should they have a person with a reputation of making games that focuses on those elements instead of trying to improve?


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#104
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If Kojima wrote and directed ME:A the entire game would be as nonsensical as the ME3 ending and every female character would look like Miranda in a thong.Seriously, MGS is a dumb franchise. They're not well written games, they're just fun games that are weighed down by stupid stories and horrendous characters/dialog.

I....must agree. I probably wouldn't purchase the new ME title were the OP's topic true

EDIT - I'm not bashing his writing and ideas but I feel his style and direction would be terrible for the ME universe.

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LOL.

 

7/10 trolly stars.

Dialogue sure, but what's so bad about the themes of each MGS game?



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Exactly my thoughts when it comes to the yuri/yaoi segment of this fanbase that tries to use left wing identity politics to justify their sexual wish fulfillment in ME/DA. 

As a member of the yaoi portion of the fanbase. I agree.  I find it funny how everyone is suddenly acting like BW is a beacon of great writing, character development, and the elimination of fan service.  When it is none of those things and just a few months ago fans were still bitching about the ending of ME.. BW fulfills wishes just like Kojima. Both have their fanservice whether it's Quiet or half naked blue man/woman aliens. Both ME and DA make about as much sense as the MGS series.


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It would be a largely non-interactive story that would have no business calling itself an RPG.
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#108
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What. The. Hell. Did I just watch?

 

Two people splashing water at each other

 

Strange tides, I guess.



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i would say no

 

the phantom pain was very lazy

 

 

all side missions was the same

 

and when you did the story missions it was the same as side missions 

 

the game is good yes but i feel like it only got 10 out of 10 because its kojimas last mgs game

 

when it really deserved a 8 out of 10 at most

i dont think he would fit into mass effect.



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Great cinematography, great dialogue, well written themes, great focus on gameplay...some of the few things Kojima San would have given this franchise, but he needs about 5 plus years to actually complete the game and without publisher meddling.

Kojima, in my opinion, is one of gaming's greatest "auteurs" -- a term which comes from the French word for "author" and is typically used to describe film directors.  More specifically, it is a term that usually describes directors that tend to make "films" and not "movies."  Basically, any auteur has a unique and often unorthodox style that applies to imagery, sound, or even storytelling.  However, auteurs do not always yield enjoyable works.  They are almost always critically loved, but popularly panned.

 

Kojima has a style that is uniquely his own.  He tells the stories that he wishes to tell.  That being said, Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain was one best games that I have ever played, but it had the most nonsensical plots that I have ever seen.

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Don't get me wrong, I loved the game, but I wouldn't want that in Mass Effect.


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#111
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You know, say what you will about Kojima's writing, but Metal Gear Solid 3 is still one of the best gaming storylines made, and as crazy as the writing can sometimes be, it can't be argued that his writing has reached out to millions of gamers and touched on their emotions. He's hit or miss sure, but I still think MGS1 and MGS3 had damn good stories.

 


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#112
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I have to assume it would be a lot more polished but also a whole lot dumber.

 

Otherwise, what Sylvius said.



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When I sat down and thought about it, I realized that "this girl is naked because she is a plant and breathes through her skin and the reason she seductively rolls around in a puddle of rainwater while taking her pants off is because she needs to drink" was still not as stupid, disappointing and brain-breaking as the Star Kid.


I can't argue with that. And sexy plant lady who shows skin is almost a trope at this point.

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It doesn't make any sense. That character, Quiet, is designed around a sexually repressed Japanese man's fantasies. She can't speak, so no pesky lady-opinions or nagging. She has to be 95% naked, so to asspull a reason for why... she's a plant person that absorbs sunlight, oxygen and water through her skin.

It's all completely stupid. Defending Kojima's writing is like defending Caddy Shack 2. It's impossible, so just don't even try lest you reveal yourself to be a total moron.

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My understanding is she is a human female infected/planted with a parasite that changed her body somewhat. I don't know the extent.  She speaks but not in English ( ie: she can speak English but made a vow not to for some reason)....

 

Jumping off the heli onto the landing pad is weird... I wish I could read her background story somewhere to understand what happened to her.

 

Also, the Boss has a scientist (using a wheel chair) who complains the parasite formula was stolen from him... then he reveals to the player, when he and Quiet are alone, that he too is infected...

 

Anyway, she's part Bourne, part the Equalizer... awesome sniper...



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Two people splashing water at each other

Strange tides, I guess.


In itself not a terrible idea. I've seen plenty of movies go for that 2 adults bonding while reliving a child like act thing and usually it includes something like water that you can fling it splash on the other.

What threw me is it had this feeling like it was trying to be super deep instead of just fan service. Nothing wrecks a product more for me than when someone tries to hard at being the artist they like to think they are when all the person can really pull off is entertainment.

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As a member of the yaoi portion of the fanbase. I agree.  I find it funny how everyone is suddenly acting like BW is a beacon of great writing, character development, and the elimination of fan service.  When it is none of those things and just a few months ago fans were still bitching about the ending of ME.. BW fulfills wishes just like Kojima. Both have their fanservice whether it's Quiet or half naked blue man/woman aliens. Both ME and DA make about as much sense as the MGS series.

 

Pretty much, though as JeffZero said this is not exactly the best time to be waxing poetically about Kojima. 



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We'd at least get a lot of overly sexy men who may throw around some casual ****** eroticism.

 

Might have to drop the 'M' from Mass Effect. 


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#118
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If Kojima wrote and directed ME:A the entire game would be as nonsensical as the ME3 ending and every female character would look like Miranda in a thong.

Seriously, MGS is a dumb franchise. They're not well written games, they're just fun games that are weighed down by stupid stories and horrendous characters/dialog.


What's wrong with having female characters with Miranda's body shape in a thong? That's sexy
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Hawkeye Initiative. 



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So because he has a strong opinion about a particular matter and has opinions that differs from yours makes him a troll?
 
:rolleyes:


Dutch is a well known troll. But by all means, :rolleyes: .

At the end of the day, the OP does bring up a good topic regarding the "what ifs" about the writer of MEA. It is a good topic that I am sure has many different opinions and perspectives. The OP's logic is that Kojima is not a SJW and that if he made a Bioware game, it would be good because it doesn't pander. Now no matter how nonsensical that may sound, that is the basis of his opinion. You may strongly disagree which is fine, but that does not make him a troll.


And I'm starting to get the feeling that you're also trolling.

What's wrong with having female characters with Miranda's body shape in a thong? That's sexy


I have the internet for gratuitous sexualization. Hell, there's even porn on there! I'm not a child so I don't need or want that kind of childish BS in my entertainment. Especially not when it's supposed to be mature.
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#121
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Dutch is a well known troll. But by all means, :rolleyes: .


And I'm starting to get the feeling that you're also trolling.


I have the internet for gratuitous sexualization. Hell, there's even porn on there! I'm not a child so I don't need or want that kind of childish BS in my entertainment. Especially not when it's supposed to be mature.

Ok I understand

#122
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The OP's logic is that Kojima is not a SJW and that if he made a Bioware game, it would be good because it doesn't pander.

 

The OPs logic is that this will irritate Bioware fans and rack up a good number of pages because he's a troll. As other people have already noted.

That said, Ok.

 

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So my takeaway is that you're unable to identify pandering when you're the specific audience they're pandering to. Which is not so surprising, I guess.


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#123
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You know, say what you will about Kojima's writing, but Metal Gear Solid 3 is still one of the best gaming storylines made, and as crazy as the writing can sometimes be, it can't be argued that his writing has reached out to millions of gamers and touched on their emotions. He's hit or miss sure, but I still think MGS1 and MGS3 had damn good stories.


For someone who are used to MGS nonsense, you could say that Kojima is a master storyteller.

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For someone who are used to MGS nonsense, you could say that Kojima is a master storyteller.

 

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