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[AlanC9]

This sure is an odd read given the nigh universal acclaim of MGSV.I say yes! Put Kojima in charge of every video game franchise BSN loves.

It's not all that strange. Japanese games in general have never been very popular here. I remember similar threads when the new Bio game was NWN and people were suggesting Bio look into... whatever the hell the current FF game was, I think. That didn't go over well either.


Don't ask me why, though. I've never been able to stand JRPGs, and Kojima's stuff looks pretty silly to me -- he takes stuff that Bio already does too much of and turns it up to 11 -- but that's just me.

[General TSAR]

Both Mass Effect and Metal Gear are nonsensical if you really want to dig.

 

But MGSV shows that Kojima is not the writing senpai he built himself up to be.

 

 

If Kojima wrote and directed ME:A the entire game would be as nonsensical as the ME3 ending and every female character would look like Miranda in a thong.

It's not just the women who get the Kojima erotic treatment. 

[SmilesJA]

Both Mass Effect and Metal Gear are nonsensical if you really want to dig.

 

But MGSV shows that Kojima is not the writing senpai he built himself up to be.

 

 

 

It's not just the women who get the Kojima erotic treatment. 

 

Phantom Pain's story isn't that good huh? Don't try to spoil me, but what happened? Oh and yes Kojima is an equal opportunity eroticist.

[Sartoz]

Phantom Pain's story isn't that good huh? Don't try to spoil me, but what happened? Oh and yes Kojima is an equal opportunity eroticist.

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Well, you know these game studios....they do anything to sell their games.

[PlatonicWaffles]

I love MGS and their stories/ characters (whilst also acknowledging they aren't perfect either), but... let's not. The tone Kojima uses just wouldn't work in Mass Effect. Like, at all. That and I don't want Mass Effect to become super convoluted.

[FKA_Servo]

Phantom Pain's story isn't that good huh? Don't try to spoil me, but what happened?

 

"And then John was a zombie."

 

Or something. I read a synopsis, but even that made my eyes glaze over.

[Morty Smith]

Cosplayers are not part of the industry. Many of them, especially the ones who would cosplay as Quiet, are just uninhibited people who know that they can make money from pathetic neckbeards who are too scared to talk to women.
Cosplayers are a part of the video game industry in the same way air guitar is an instrument.

 

[Killroy]

Phantom Pain's story isn't that good huh? Don't try to spoil me, but what happened? Oh and yes Kojima is an equal opportunity eroticist.

 

I didn't finish it(because guh) but apparently they really puss'ed out with regard to the Big Boss storyline and further muddied the absurd timeline/storyline.

[General TSAR]

Phantom Pain's story isn't that good huh? Don't try to spoil me, but what happened? Oh and yes Kojima is an equal opportunity eroticist.

There's a massive plot hole you can sail a Nimitz Class AC through.

[pdusen]

Great cinematography, great dialogue, well written themes, great focus on gameplay...some of the few things Kojima San would have given this franchise, but he needs about 5 plus years to actually complete the game and without publisher meddling.

 

 

I think he's a better writer than Mac Walters in my humble opinion.

 

Did... did you just reply to yourself?

[SmilesJA]

Cosplayers are not part of the industry. Many of them, especially the ones who would cosplay as Quiet, are just uninhibited people who know that they can make money from pathetic neckbeards who are too scared to talk to women.

[Andres Hendrix]

https://www.youtube....h?v=VQERdXvKTnI

 

This is some real high-brow art right here. Clearly an artist expressing his deepest emotions in the way a business like BioWare wouldn't understand. All BioWare understands is fanservice, and appealing to the lowest common denominator.

 

There was a time when the erotic was considered art. This generation that is obsessed with being 'inoffensive' and 'offended' will never understand it.

[Shechinah]

This generation that is obsessed with being 'inoffensive' and 'offended' will never understand it.

 

Oh, please, let's not do that silly generalisation nonsense by pretending that this is a generational obsession. 
 

[SmilesJA]

It doesn't make any sense. That character, Quiet, is designed around a sexually repressed Japanese man's fantasies. She can't speak, so no pesky lady-opinions or nagging. She has to be 95% naked, so to asspull a reason for why... she's a plant person that absorbs sunlight, oxygen and water through her skin.

It's all completely stupid. Defending Kojima's writing is like defending Caddy Shack 2. It's impossible, so just don't even try lest you reveal yourself to be a total moron.

 

So your argument is basically summed up as: "It's stupid because I say so!"

[Andres Hendrix]

Kojima's Metal Gear Solid 5 is sort of like Joyce's Ulysses, which was a silly yet artistic retelling of Homer's Odyssey. Kojima's MGS 5 is like Kojima's silly retelling of Milton's Paradise Lost. Something no one ever seems to mention is just how many allusions there are in Kojima's games: literary, pop culture, other games, film etc. I've heard people call Kojima's work post-modern; I don't think that at all, I think it is very modernist, dark and silly like Joyce or Kafka.

[Hazegurl]

Both Mass Effect and Metal Gear are nonsensical if you really want to dig.

 

But MGSV shows that Kojima is not the writing senpai he built himself up to be.

 

 

It's not just the women who get the Kojima erotic treatment. 

I agree that both MGS and ME are pretty much two peas in a pod with the plot. But I don't think it means Kojima just sucks as a writer. We also have to take into account that he had wanted to end the Metal Gear series for years, to the point of wanting to just kill off Snake so he wouldn't be forced to make more.  Konami stopped him and he was forced to churn out more Metal Gear games.  It's probably why he eventually quit.

 

I liked MGSV until the boss fight and chapter two stuff, which seriously could have been just been an epilogue to wrap the story up. But it was still loads of fun to play and BW can learn and thing or two the next time they decide to create a game where the PC has to lead an organization. Running Motherbase was by far a much better experience than "running" the Inquisition.

 

And yeah, both men and women get the same treatment from Kojima. He's also one of the rare game devs who isn't afraid to add homosexuality to his stories. 

[Killroy]

There was a time when the erotic was considered art. This generation that is obsessed with being 'inoffensive' and 'offended' will never understand it.

 
 

So your argument is basically summed up as: "It's stupid because I say so!"

Some stupidity is self evident. Like supporting Donald Trump for POTUS.

[Seboist]

I agree that both MGS and ME are pretty much two peas in a pod with the plot. But I don't think it means Kojima just sucks as a writer. We also have to take into account that he had wanted to end the Metal Gear series for years, to the point of wanting to just kill off Snake so he wouldn't be forced to make more.  Konami stopped him and he was forced to churn out more Metal Gear games.  It's probably why he eventually quit.

 

I liked MGSV until the boss fight and chapter two stuff, which seriously could have been just been an epilogue to wrap the story up. But it was still loads of fun to play and BW can learn and thing or two the next time they decide to create a game where the PC has to lead an organization. Running Motherbase was by far a much better experience than "running" the Inquisition.

 

And yeah, both men and women get the same treatment from Kojima. He's also one of the rare game devs who isn't afraid to add homosexuality to his stories. 

 

True, but what's impressive is how ME managed to become an inconsistent trainwreck of schlock in a much shorter time period than MG. The original two MG games on MSX had far better continuity than ME1 and 2.

[Andres Hendrix]

Oh, please, let's not do that silly generalisation nonsense by pretending that this is a generational obsession. 
 

Just go on Kotaku, Polygon, Forbes, Salon, pretty well any online or print news magazines that publish the writing of new young journalists and you will find yourself with a pretty good sample. On the MGSV:PP reviews, read all the conditioned facile comments made by both  said journalists, and their readership. Apparently Stefanie Joosten in a glorified bikini is 'gross'. It would seem that the Po-Mo politcally correct crowd are a bunch of hypocrites, as they would never say that to Joosten face if she was say, walking on a beach in a bikini, as that would be a rather cruel thing to do. However it is supposedly okey dokey to say so about her character that is modeled to her exact likeness, because, well, that is just what you do when you are a video game reviewer who has been conditioned by the Po-Mo super nannies in the humanities, and liberal arts. No cogent thought no nuance, just keep the new-left confirmation bias rolling. This generation would not know erotic art when they saw it, it would be labeled pornographic faster than you can say third wave nonsense.

[Andres Hendrix]

 
 



Some stupidity is self evident. Like supporting Donald Trump for POTUS.

You respond with a meme, that tells me all I need to know about you.

[Mcfly616]

Production value, editing and cinematography would go up. Writing would go way down.

[N7Jamaican]

I am thankful that I did not purchase MGSV.  Not saying it's a bad game. 

[AlanC9]

Just go on Kotaku, Polygon, Forbes, Salon, pretty well any online or print news magazines that publish the writing of new young journalists and you will find yourself with a pretty good sample. On the MGSV:PP reviews, read all the conditioned facile comments made by both said journalists, and their readership. Apparently Stefanie Joosten in a glorified bikini is 'gross'. It would seem that the Po-Mo politcally correct crowd are a bunch of hypocrites, as they would never say that to Joosten face if she was say, walking on a beach in a bikini, as that would be a rather cruel thing to do.

What if she wasn't on a beach? What if she was showing up to an office job in a bikini? I agree people likely wouldn't have called her on it to her face, but that's because people are polite face to face.

However it is supposedly okey dokey to say so about her character that is modeled to her exact likeness, because, well, that is just what you do when you are a video game reviewer who has been conditioned by the Po-Mo super nannies in the humanities, and liberal arts. No cogent thought no nuance, just keep the new-left confirmation bias rolling. This generation would not know erotic art when they saw it, it would be labeled pornographic faster than you can say third wave nonsense.

The point isn't that it isn't erotic, or that the erotic can't be art. The point is that it's stupid.

[ArabianIGoggles]

It'd be a snuff film made with soap opera cameras.  No thanks.

[SmilesJA]

The point isn't that it isn't erotic, or that the erotic can't be art. The point is that it's stupid.

 

I think he's trying to point out the hypocrisy that's among the reviewers.