Of course, when that billion year old intelligence comes up with 'yo dawg, I heard you don't want synthetics to kill organics, so I built these synthetics to kill organics so they don't build synthetics that will kill organics", I don't consider it to be a huge stretch to imagine that we can do better.
Those who boil it down to that, clearly never understood it.
Those who boil it down to that, clearly never understood it.
....That might just be the single most pretentious thing I've ever seen said on these forums.
....That might just be the single most pretentious thing I've ever seen said on these forums.
What I love is the its deep you just don't get it crowd, never explain it. If its super deep and I didn't get it, explain it and maybe I'll agree. Just telling me, I'm not deep enough to get it is meaningless.
....That might just be the single most pretentious thing I've ever seen said on these forums.
That may be the single most dramatic thing I've ever seen said on these forums....
Actually, probably not. But nonetheless, oozing with drama.
What I love is the its deep you just don't get it crowd, never explain it. If its super deep and I didn't get it, explain it and maybe I'll agree. Just telling me, I'm not deep enough to get it is meaningless.
nobody said it was " too deep".
Those subscribing to the "yo dawg" nonsense purposely throw context out the window, rendering their point moot.
That may be the single most dramatic thing I've ever seen said on these forums....
Actually, probably not. But nonetheless, oozing with drama.
What can I say, I took a lot of acting classes in school.
Anyway, I fully understand the intentions, meaning, and implications of the Catalyst's motivations. That doesn't change the fact that those motivations are ridiculous and moronic.
Anyway, I fully understand the intentions, meaning, and implications of the Catalyst's motivations.
If that were the case you'd understand that the Yo Dawg meme is a rather poor description of the Catalyst, as well as its intentions and motivations.
That doesn't change the fact that those motivations are ridiculous and moronic.
subjective opinion. Not fact.
If that were the case you'd understand that the Yo Dawg meme is a rather poor description of the Catalyst, as well as its intentions and motivations.
subjective opinion. Not fact.
I understand that the catalyst as a narrative device is deserving of mockery and scorn, and thus I direct both towards it.
war is peace freedom is slavery ignorance is strength Refusal is an ending
What can I say, I took a lot of acting classes in school.
Anyway, I fully understand the intentions, meaning, and implications of the Catalyst's motivations. That doesn't change the fact that those motivations are ridiculous and moronic.
This, in a nut shell.
It certainly doesn't help that the Catalyst's motives, to a great extent, are described pretty accurately by the Yo Dawg meme. Throwing on vague references to "preserving our essence" doesn't really make the concept any less ridiculous.
And we need to be very clear about one thing. The Catalyst is not a billion year old super intelligence that has witnessed countless cycles and is making an informed decision. The Catalyst is a fictional narrative device that was created during the production of the third game by a very human, very not-a-billion-years-old member of the Bioware writing staff.
They can present the Catalyst as being infallible all they want, that doesn't make it so. And for the record, I don't think they do. The Catalyst has a major blind spot in that it doesn't just observe the cycles and thus make an educated decision. The catalyst actively shapes the cycles and thus influences the outcome. Indeed, the relays were built to guide technology in predictable ways to maximize the efficiency of the cycles, thus drastically reducing the chance of an unexpected outcome to occur. There is some serious bias in the Catalyst's thought process that the thing doesn't appear to be aware of at all.
And that isn't even the tip of the iceberg.
So yeah, thinking we can do better than such a flawed intelligence as that is not really arrogant. Age doesn't guarantee wisdom, especially when coupled with bad programming.
Some things are self evident. That the catalyst is a stupid, hypocritical nonsense machine with insane logic is one of these things.
Refusal was one giant fiddle finger to the enraged fans who wouldn't STFU about something they kind of had a reason to be upset with. That being said Refusal is a dead end, do not pass Go, do not collect $200, go straight to Reaper Jail.
Refusal was one giant fiddle finger to the enraged fans who wouldn't STFU about something they kind of had a reason to be upset with. That being said Refusal is a dead end, do not pass Go, do not collect $200, go straight to Reaper Jail.
I don't dispute that. I'm just saying that from a narrative stand point, it's a better option than Destruction, and especially Control, and especially Synthesis.
I don't dispute that. I'm just saying that from a narrative stand point, it's a better option than Destruction, and especially Control, and especially Synthesis.
The bottom line is if Reapers exist then there is no continuing past ME3 in any way, shape, or form in which they won't loom over head like a vulture waiting to swoop in and consume the entire cadaver of the ME universe.
The bottom line is if Reapers exist then there is no continuing past ME3 in any way, shape, or form in which they won't loom over head like a vulture waiting to swoop in and consume the entire cadaver of the ME universe.
True, but Bioware has ultimate discretion on whether or not to loose that buzzard. They want us to slip away scot free and let the Reapers have the Milky Way for another cycle, they're fully within their creative rights to do it.
Of course, the ugly truth is that Bioware may well want to use the Reapers again. If not in Andromeda, then somewhere down the line. And if they do, Destruction being canon ain't going to stop them. They'd just come up with a more convoluted way of bringing them back.
Refusal was one giant fiddle finger to the enraged fans who wouldn't STFU about something they kind of had a reason to be upset with. That being said Refusal is a dead end, do not pass Go, do not collect $200, go straight to Reaper Jail.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
If that were the case you'd understand that the Yo Dawg meme is a rather poor description of the Catalyst, as well as its intentions and motivations.
Hmm. I thought it was an interesting new RP option. I suppose Bio should have realized how whiny people would get about Refuse and refrained from adding it, though.
It was in fact not an Ending since players who started fresh without previous completions after EC and selected refuse on the first go round and did not get the mission complete achievement/trophy, it was not recognized as an ending.
True, but Bioware has ultimate discretion on whether or not to loose that buzzard. They want us to slip away scot free and let the Reapers have the Milky Way for another cycle, they're fully within their creative rights to do it.
Of course, the ugly truth is that Bioware may well want to use the Reapers again. If not in Andromeda, then somewhere down the line. And if they do, Destruction being canon ain't going to stop them. They'd just come up with a more convoluted way of bringing them back.
The Reapers and the Geth shouldn't be returning. I mean you didn't see another Archdemon and Blight in DA2 & DAI so rehashing the Reapers & Geth once again would be abysmal. Now if they want to bring back the Collectors/Protheans as a minor or major nuisance that would be tolerable.
Hmm. I thought it was an interesting new RP option. I suppose Bio should have realized how whiny people would get about Refuse and refrained from adding it, though.
I just think that, at the end of the day, it was a waste of resources. Note: Shepard surviving for me wasn't a concern, at all.
But even in the context of ME3, given how expensive cutscene resources amount to, devoting a good portion to showing Shepard refuse just seemed pointless. It was pretty clear what those fans were asking for, even if I thought the request was kinda meh.
Hmm. I thought it was an interesting new RP option. I suppose Bio should have realized how whiny people would get about Refuse and refrained from adding it, though.
You know the thing that people do, when they attack the person istead of the argument?
I know here everyone calls criticism that they don't like "whining", but it still doesn't justify simply ignoring the criticism itself.
Refuse makes very little sense because it makes Shepard look like a whiny child throwing a tantrum.
Yeah, the other options are crap and the ending in general is even shittier, but where is the logic in not choosing any kind
of lesser evil and allowing everything to die just out of sheer spite?
True, but Bioware has ultimate discretion on whether or not to loose that buzzard. They want us to slip away scot free and let the Reapers have the Milky Way for another cycle, they're fully within their creative rights to do it.
Of course, the ugly truth is that Bioware may well want to use the Reapers again. If not in Andromeda, then somewhere down the line. And if they do, Destruction being canon ain't going to stop them. They'd just come up with a more convoluted way of bringing them back.
... much like when you kill the Rachni Queen in ME1.
... much like when you kill the Rachni Queen in ME1.
And much like the Rachni, we'll get to encounter the Reapers again, and then get the exact same choices in how to deal with them, with the exact same payoff! 
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