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[Ruadh]

The Qunari are fools, the Krogan would eat them.

[AllianceGrunt]

The Qunari are fools, the Krogan would eat them.

 

And Krogan can stop bullets with their minds YAHHH

[Sartoz]

I like this human. 

 

 

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Now, a fight between a Krogan and an Elcor would be something to see. Sure Tuchunka was harsh, but Dekuna has five times that planet's gravity and the Elcor have evolved the muscle and bone structure to thrive in that environment. All the redundant organs in the world won't help you when an Elcor has ripped your arms and legs off and is beating you to death with them. 

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Must disagree, here, sort of.

 

True, the high gravity gave them strength. But nature also evolved them to be like elephants.The Elcor are quadrupeds. Notice that due to the high Gs of their planets, their limbs are massive, but not flexible. I suspect walking is done real  careful. A fall can break limbs.

 

In Dekuna, the Elcor probably will be able to run over a Krogan as he can't really move under the gravity. However, in "normal" gravity worlds, the Krogan has all the flexibility to run rings around them.

[goishen]

Err, the comments here...   I just can't wrap my head around sometimes.  On low gravity worlds, Elcors' intellect would allow them to move more freely.  So, if they had a gravity level of say 6 (using Earth's gravity as a 1, just for example) and then came to earth, they would be springing around like it was the freakin' moon.  And that's just from taking normal steps. 

 

So, I can't see why on the Presidium (which, BTW, had about the gravity level of the moon (.2 I believe)), I don't see why they weren't jumping 50 feet in the air.  That would be like us going somewhere that had a .02 gravity level. 

 

But, then again, I suspended my disbelief.

[Former_Fiend]

I've heard it mentioned in a way that I don't think was meant as hyperbolic, that an elcor is strong enough to punch straight through a ship's bulkhead. I don't know the exact source on that, though.

 

But seriously, you take a krogan who has any idea what they're doing, put them up against any other species except a yahg or maybe an elcor(I can't imagine many elcor actually have any hand to hand training or experience) without biotics or weapons being a factor, there really isn't any reason why the krogan shouldn't win short of bad writing. 

 

Hell, even Thane - who is the single best hand to hand combatant we've had on the squad - lists "bomb" as his preferred method of taking out krogan, as opposed to neck snapping.

 

Having said that, you take a qunari who knows what they're doing and put them against a member of any other race in Thedas without magic being a factor and there is no reason the qunari shouldn't win short of bad writing.

[Xaijin]

Having immobile horns on your skull and going up against a thing that can successfully headbutt through ship hulls is a really really really really bad idea.

[Killroy]

Since when can Korgan headbutt through a ship's hull?

[Laughing_Man]

I've heard it mentioned in a way that I don't think was meant as hyperbolic, that an elcor is strong enough to punch straight through a ship's bulkhead. I don't know the exact source on that, though.

 

But seriously, you take a krogan who has any idea what they're doing, put them up against any other species except a yahg or maybe an elcor(I can't imagine many elcor actually have any hand to hand training or experience) without biotics or weapons being a factor, there really isn't any reason why the krogan shouldn't win short of bad writing. 

 

Hell, even Thane - who is the single best hand to hand combatant we've had on the squad - lists "bomb" as his preferred method of taking out krogan, as opposed to neck snapping.

 

Having said that, you take a qunari who knows what they're doing and put them against a member of any other race in Thedas without magic being a factor and there is no reason the qunari shouldn't win short of bad writing.

 

There's always a bigger fish.

It's not always just about muscle mass and weight, even if it is a serious advantage.

 

And even against someone who "knows what they're doing", there are those who are faster, meaner, better trained, smarter, etc.

 

A fight to the death does not have a set of tidy rules, and the enviroment is always a factor, both of these scenarios can end in different ways.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Qunari stomp, not even a fair fight. Next.

[Toxicity]

I think a Krogan could easily overpower a Qunari in hand-to-hand combat because I assume Krogan are much heavier than Qunari, but Qunari have longer limbs which could be seen as an advantage. Unless maybe biotic and magical abilities are permitted in this hypothetical situation; then I would have to reconsider my decision.  

[Salarian Master Race]

I think a Krogan could easily overpower a Qunari in hand-to-hand combat because I assume Krogan are much heavier than Qunari, but Qunari have longer limbs which could be seen as an advantage. Unless maybe biotic and magical abilities are permitted in this hypothetical situation; then I would have to reconsider my decision.  

 

Wrex had biotic abilities so it's not unheard of

[Former_Fiend]

There's always a bigger fish.

It's not always just about muscle mass and weight, even if it is a serious advantage.

 

And even against someone who "knows what they're doing", there are those who are faster, meaner, better trained, smarter, etc.

 

A fight to the death does not have a set of tidy rules, and the enviroment is always a factor, both of these scenarios can end in different ways.

 

Still, there's a reason we have weight classes in combat sports.

 

Besides, in ME, the meaner guy is going to be the krogan. In DA, the meaner guy is going to be the qunari. They're probably going to be the smarter, better trained guy, too.

[GaroTD]

Krogans. Duh.

[Osena109]

Qunari have swords  Korgan have Combat shotguns...

[Vortex13]

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Must disagree, here, sort of.

 

True, the high gravity gave them strength. But nature also evolved them to be like elephants.The Elcor are quadrupeds. Notice that due to the high Gs of their planets, their limbs are massive, but not flexible. I suspect walking is done real  careful. A fall can break limbs.

 

In Dekuna, the Elcor probably will be able to run over a Krogan as he can't really move under the gravity. However, in "normal" gravity worlds, the Krogan has all the flexibility to run rings around them.

 

 

Moving slowly is a necessity on Dekuna, but in five times less gravity an Elcor would not have to worry about slow, deliberate movements. They may be bulky but that doesn't mean that the Elcor are necessarily slow. All one would have to do is 'skip' and leap like fifteen feet into the air; think of how when the astronauts went to the moon and they were able to move around easily despite the cumbersome space suits for what I am getting at. 

 

Plus the Krogan don't really strike me as agile either. Sure they can charge in a straight line easily enough, but they rely more on throwing their weight behind their attacks than dancing around their opponent. And in terms of sheer strength the Elcor have the Krogan beat by a wide margin.

[Googleness]

Krogan have quad.

discuss.

[Han Shot First]

A Qunari would have about as much chance of winning a bareknuckle brawl against a Krogan as a human would versus a silverback gorilla.

 

I'd bet on Wrex or Grunt even they had to fight solo against both Sten and the Iron Bull simultaneously. 

[Zekka]

How is this thread going on for so long?

[liclic]

irrelevent

[Kroitz]

Korgen, anyone who says otherwise doesn´t know the lore.

[Innocent Bystander]

I give it to the Krogan as far a hand-to-hand is concerned.

More like headplate-to-face. With obvious results.

[Laughing_Man]

Still, there's a reason we have weight classes in combat sports.

 

Besides, in ME, the meaner guy is going to be the krogan. In DA, the meaner guy is going to be the qunari. They're probably going to be the smarter, better trained guy, too.

 

I was talking about an example like Kai Lang, IIRC he killed a Krogan with a knife before he got thrown out of the Alliance.

And that was before he got all cybered up by his Illusive patron.

[Former_Fiend]

I was talking about an example like Kai Lang, IIRC he killed a Krogan with a knife before he got thrown out of the Alliance.

And that was before he got all cybered up by his Illusive patron.

 

Yeah, that was covered by the "bad writing" I mentioned in my initial post.

[Regan_Cousland]

Although I agree that the krogan -- with their tough, scaly skin, well-protected vital organs, and bony headplates -- would have a decisive physical advantage over the large-but-humanoid qunari in the real world, the Mass Effect and Dragon Age universes (like most fictional universes) tend to subvert their own internal logic to tell an entertaining tale.

In the Mass Effect universe, for instance, we've seen, and heard stories about, scrawny humans kicking krogan ass: something which shouldn't be possible.

So if the right human can beat up a krogan, then the right qunari certainly can.

Therefore the winner of any krogan vs. qunari contest depends almost entirely upon the combatants involved.

Iron Bull knocks the stuffing out of Random Krogan Mercenary 14.

Grunt destroys Random Tal-Vashoth 24.

Those're the rules of fiction.

 

[Lunatic Lace]

More realistic option? Wrex, Grunt, and Iron Bull just go out and get wasted together. My money's on the bar not surviving.