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[mickey111]

The accumulated knowledge of billions of years worth of civilization all through the universe and we're expected to believe that these noobs can't simply dig a few wormholes to use in case of emergency? You know, wormholes, the natural alternative to relays, the ones which can't be destroyed easily and aren't centralized therefore not depending on the citadel or anything

[Pasquale1234]

Part of their strategy was to get developing species reliant on the relay networks. At the start of a harvest, they would open the Citadel relay, invade en masse, take over the Citadel and the mass relay network, then divide and conquer.

Whether they had any other travel-related technology at their disposal is unknown.

[capn233]

The short answer is the galaxy is a large place, and there wasn't any better alternative for traversing great distances in the least amount of time.

[RVallant]

It was more to force their victims to become reliant on the relays and when they invaded to cut them off. Without the relays entire species and civilizations were stranded, especially as they won't usually have developed space travel on parity with the relays.

 

Plus, for a Reaper a harvest can take as long they deem necessary, they were more than willing to traverse space the long way. Kinda comes with the territory of being near invulnerable that would be arrogant enough to slow-walk over to cause impending doom.

[BabyPuncher]

The accumulated knowledge of billions of years worth of civilization all through the universe and we're expected to believe that these noobs can't simply dig a few wormholes to use in case of emergency? You know, wormholes, the natural alternative to relays, the ones which can't be destroyed easily and aren't centralized therefore not depending on the citadel or anything

 

You seem to be very wrongly speaking as if you know these things actually exist.

 

Wormholes are a possibility. But that's it. A possibility. It's by no means 'travelable wormholes are proven, and it's only a matter of time until humans are smart enough to use them.'

[DoomsdayDevice]

They wanted organics to rely on the network and adapt the technology.

"By using it, you develop along the paths we desire."

[Beerfish]

They kept destroying civs before the worm hole problem could be addresses and the reapers were no big braniancs they kept taking resoruces and tech from all the civs they blow away.

[Anacronian Stryx]

The accumulated knowledge of billions of years worth of civilization all through the universe and we're expected to believe that these noobs can't simply dig a few wormholes to use in case of emergency? You know, wormholes, the natural alternative to relays, the ones which can't be destroyed easily and aren't centralized therefore not depending on the citadel or anything

It might be that Wormholes are a natural occurring phenomenon that needs ungodly amounts of energy - so much energy that the reapers could never hope to produce it.

 

In reality, an Einstein-Rosen bridge(wormhole) is mathematically feasible but the amount of energy needed to produce a wormhole only one atom wide is about the same amount of energy the sun produce in it's entire lifetime.

[Han Shot First]

It might be that Wormholes are a natural occurring phenomenon that needs ungodly amounts of energy - so much energy that the reapers could never hope to produce it.

 

In reality, an Einstein-Rosen bridge(wormhole) is mathematically feasible but the amount of energy needed to produce a wormhole only one atom wide is about the same amount of energy the sun produce in it's entire lifetime.

 

It wouldn't be enough to just open a wormhole either, you'd have to somehow make sure it connects to the point that you want to travel to and stays stable so that you can safely pass through it. That is a very tall order, and may mean that wormholes as a means of space travel will never be anything more than theoretical. 

[Mirrman70]

an  improbability drive. thats what the galaxy needs.

[Salarian Master Race]

The short answer is the galaxy is a large place, and there wasn't any better alternative for traversing great distances in the least amount of time.

 

the problem with that is collectors have black ark technology and reapers dont

 

they've had 50,000 years to assimilate it.  what's the holdup

[Broganisity]

The Reapers are as part of the pattern; as part of the cycle as we are.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Replying to why did the reapers need relays to get across galaxies anyway?

We don't know that they did need relays. We know only that they used relays.

[Calinstel]

We don't know that they did need relays. We know only that they used relays

Without the requirement to need the relays, the entire plot of ME1 is pointless.  Sovereign would have just flown directly to Illos and the conduit right after the New Eden beacon if they could just fly their directly so it proves they need them....

Until ME3 that is, when they just spend 6 months flying from a point well outside the Milkyway Galaxy that is. 

[TheChosenOne]

They wanted to save mileage...

[Kabooooom]

You seem to be very wrongly speaking as if you know these things actually exist.

Wormholes are a possibility. But that's it. A possibility. It's by no means 'travelable wormholes are proven, and it's only a matter of time until humans are smart enough to use them.'

Given that they arise as a natural solution to the equations of general relativity - just like multiple other solutions that at first were predictions which arose naturally from the math and subsequently were demonstrated to exist (such as black holes, gravitational lensing, I could make a rather long list here), I think that someone would have to be rather dense to say "well, wormholes are just a possibility, they are equally as likely to exist as they are unlikely".

Which may not have been what you were saying at all, but it is the gist of how it came across. I suspect, like 99.9% of all of your posts, you were just being a contrarian to be a contrarian and pointing out that as a possibility, their existence is not an absolute and should not be spoken of that way.

Which is true. But, if someone had a gun to my head and said "I know whether or not wormholes exist, and I am going to blow your brains out if you give me the wrong answer"...well, you would have to be an absolute moron to not side with the math on that one.

[BabyPuncher]

Which is true. But, if someone had a gun to my head and said "I know whether or not wormholes exist, and I am going to blow your brains out if you give me the wrong answer"...well, you would have to be an absolute moron to not side with the math on that one.

 

Goodness are you a tedious person.

 

I'm sure your mommy and daddy and all your friends are very impressed that you can rephrase a Wikipedia article in a nice authoritative tone, but I'm afraid I'm not the type to be very intimidated by you repeating 'the math' with carefully calculated nonchalant-ness meant to be ever-so-dismissive to try and indicative such struggles are beneath you.

 

Unless you think you give me a thorough explanation of 'the math' and all the graduate level physics behind this sort of thing? 

[rapscallioness]

It was a trap. The relays were just a trap. Like the sticky pads you use to catch mice.

 

Also, yeah, they harvested organic life for billions of years, but there was always a cut off point. Those organic lifeforms they harvested had really just started coming into their "own" in terms of space travel and advanced tech.

 

The growth was continually cut short by the Reapers showing up. So, they did alot of harvesting, but  it was only of a certain quality. The resulting knowledge was always retarded.

 

In addition, up until that point of harvest, these species were using the same tech that the Reapers placed as traps. So, actually no new knowledge was to be had.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Without the requirement to need the relays, the entire plot of ME1 is pointless. Sovereign would have just flown directly to Illos and the conduit right after the New Eden beacon if they could just fly their directly so it proves they need them....
Until ME3 that is, when they just spend 6 months flying from a point well outside the Milkyway Galaxy that is.

You're assuming that their alternative to relays, if it existed, had no more barriers to its use.

There's no basis for that.

[KaiserShep]

The reapers should've just started using Infinite Improbability drives. Imagine them just going from system to system, occasionally appearing as giant balls of yarn or rubber ducks. 

[rapscallioness]

Yarny the Reaper.