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[mickey111]

I thought the reapers were the good guys. The Catalyst said they were preventing a galaxy-wide catastrophe by wiping out advanced organic life in the galaxy by using synthetics to prevent the advanced organics from creating synthetics that would wipe out all organic life. It was only through their benevolence of sparing the less advanced species each cycle that our cycle got to advance at all. Shepard was trying to stop them from succeeding. Therefore Shepard was the villain. Now if destroy is the canon, our children will create synthetics and the chaos will begin again and soon all organic life in the galaxy will be wiped out. The only way that Shepard is not the villain is if she chooses Synthesis, which is what the Catalyst considers the ideal solution.

 

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[Ahglock]

It is the only way they can return to Milky Way and have endings resolved. It's one of the few ways that would ****** all ending choice off groups equally and allow them to deal with the endings in MEA.

Whether people want that or not is debatable. Personally I'd love it as I think it would be a fun turn and Shepard would be a fun antogonust playing the part of Saren or Harbringer.

[Cheviot]

I thought the reapers were the good guys.

Well, there's your mistake.  They're the bad guys.  Didn't the death rays and mass murder not tip you off?

[Sylvius the Mad]

Well, there's your mistake. They're the bad guys. Didn't the death rays and mass murder not tip you off?

They think they're the good guys.

Why is their perspective not valid?

[Cheviot]

They think they're the good guys.

Why is their perspective not valid?

It's very valid; like most antagonists in the ME series (e.g. Saren, Illusive Man), they are doing bad things thinking that they are doing them for good ends.

[Ahglock]

They think they're the good guys.

Why is their perspective not valid?

Depends on the philosophical framework a person is using to analyze things.

[Sylvius the Mad]

It's very valid; like most antagonists in the ME series (e.g. Saren, Illusive Man), they are doing bad things thinking that they are doing them for good ends.

But if you frame the story from their perspective, the protagonist/antagonist labels switch.

In trying to unite his family and bring order to the galaxy, Darth Vader is the hero in Star Wars.

[AlanC9]

But if you frame the story from their perspective, the protagonist/antagonist labels switch.
In trying to unite his family and bring order to the galaxy, Darth Vader is the hero in Star Wars.

Did you ever play TIE Fighter?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Exactly! All that chaos in the galaxy, and the Emperor was only trying to maintain order and balance. Those pesky terrorists kept disrupting things and forced him to do things.

 

No antagonist ever perceives themselves as evil. They perceive of themselves as good. I would venture to say that few if any people really perceive themselves as evil.

 

The Illusive Man thinks he is trying to save the galaxy and put humanity on top at the end of it. Was that really such an evil goal? Control the reapers and end the war. The vast technology of the reapers would jump humanity ahead a thousand fold of what the Mars archives did, leaving the rest of the galaxy in the dust. Shepard shoots him or convinces  him he's wrong so he kills himself.

 

Then Shepard in Control can do the same thing.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Did you ever play TIE Fighter?

 

Yes! TIE Fighter: Defender of the Empire. I was the Emperor's Eye.

[mickey111]

Did you ever play TIE Fighter?

 

 

does it work well with a mouse and keyboard? Bought it from GOG ages ago, but I haven't bothered to play it despite all the praise. I have a really good mouse mad specially for gaming, 7 customizable buttons, adjustable DPI of up to 9000.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

It was fantastic with a joystick.

[AlanC9]

Wouldn't know. I haven't played a space sim without a joystick since WC1

[Red Panda]

Indoctrination theory is real and Shepard is the main villain?

No, you ar e thsdad reapsers

 

andd thenn we was zommmmmmmbbies

 

itrs like hte best twisrt ever..

[Sylvius the Mad]

Did you ever play TIE Fighter?

Yep. Loved it.

[Sylvius the Mad]

does it work well with a mouse and keyboard? Bought it from GOG ages ago, but I haven't bothered to play it despite all the praise. I have a really good mouse mad specially for gaming, 7 customizable buttons, adjustable DPI of up to 9000.

It's horrific with a mouse and keyboard.

Moreover, the remastered version won't even launch without a controller or stick detected.

[Eryri]

I can see it though. The N7 from the trailer is the indoctrinated Shepard, following the exiles to Andromeda onboard his badass human Reaper. He's wiped out civilization in the Milky Way, and is hunting Andromeda to finish the job.Not gonna happen, but that would totally redeem the whole thing. xD"WE ARE SHEPARD. WE ARE ASSUMING CONTROL."God, so much WIN.

That would be brilliant. The stakes would never have been higher. Instead of being on an ancillary side story, our protagonist in ME:A would be fighting to save the very last few humans (and Asari, Etc) from utter extinction.

I'd be even happier if there was a way to redeem Shepard based on choices in the previous trilogy-

Picked Synthesis - your Shepard is an irredeemable servant of the Reapers. The only solution is to kill him / her.

Picked Control - your Shepard has a sliver of humanity left and you can persuade him to go the way of Saren and TIM.

Picked Destroy (or even Refuse) - you find some way to snap Shepard out of it permanently. He then becomes a probationary squad mate under your command.

As you say though, very unlikely to happen now. A damn shame, really.

[Filament]

Then... I should go. With love.

Day 1 purchase if Shepard is the villain and their last words are, "I should go."

[Hair Serious Business]

That Shepard would make interesting villain?

As you come face to face with galaxy's greatest threat,

Ex-Commander Shepard, he turns around and says...

[Queen Skadi]

In trying to unite his family and bring order to the galaxy, Darth Vader is the hero in Star Wars.

 

No even from Vader's perspective I am pretty sure he is still the villain, don't think Lucas gave Vader or the Emperor altruistic motives for doing what they did, it was all "something something something Dark Side!" "something something something complete!"

 

Star Wars was pretty black and white.

[Han Shot First]

Indoctrination theory is real and Shepard is the main villain?

 

[Dantriges]

They think they're the good guys.

Why is their perspective not valid?

 

There is this simple rule, i apply in such cases. If someone tries to kill everyone currently alive, burn down the worlds the protagonists live in and swore to defend, I don´t really care if they think of themselves as good guys, it´s nice to know that the antagonists aren´t evil for the lulz but that´s it.

[DanishViking]

Garrus, I'm already a demon.

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[mickey111]

what if shepard are the demons?