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[BraveVesperia]

Wait, wait! Before you start throwing sharp implements at me, I'd like to explain why I hope she's in DA4. 

 

I know plenty of people disliked something about her in MotA. Personally, I wasn't a fan of how Hawke acted around her: unable to debate about the Qun (especially as a mage), and unable to even try and take the scroll. That doesn't mean that her character and role can't be improved in DA4. Look at Merrill, Isabela and Cullen, they were greatly improved after being brought back. She doesn't necessarily need to be a companion, but a relevant NPC or representative of a faction.

 

Tevinter has two guaranteed characters to humanise the elite: Dorian and Maevaris. I hope we'll see a wide moral spectrum for the mages. There will be slaves, possibly even a slave rebellion. Perhaps we'll finally get a bit more light on those in the middle. Surely the Qunari side should have the same treatment? I'm sure we'll meet qunari from the Qun, but why not have an important viddathari too? We've only had a small slice of their PoV so far, between Tallis and Gat.

 

Tallis has great potential to be connected to the story if it's based in Tevinter, features a Tevinter/Qunari war, the Inquisition, and Solas.

• She was a slave in Tevinter and later recruited into the Qun, therefore she can provide experienced opinions on both sides of the conflict. She may even have contacts on both sides, making her a useful contact.
• As an ex-slave, she could be involved in any kind of rebellion. Fanning the flames for the Qunari or simply spying. Hell, she could be a triple agent: working for the Qunari, Solas and the rebellion at the same time. That would be interesting.
• She could provide an insight into what elven viddathari think of Solas' plan, and a personal insight into the viddathari, rather than one from a Qun-born qunari. She would also find it easier to operate in Tevinter than a qunari.
• She has some kind of history with Leliana, providing a link to the Inquisition. Elven spies infiltrated before. Maybe she could reveal how much they're still plaguing the Inquisition, based on our choice to disband or not.
• She struggled to completely accept the Qun's philosophy in MotA, and in Trespasser, there's a note in the Darvaraad. So she could provide an interesting balance between a very pro-Qun character, and a Tal Vashoth or Fog Warrior. I'm hoping we have one of the latter in our party. We could see some fascinating dialogue or issues arise there.

Tl;dr - I think she has a lot of story potential based on her personal history. I don't think she should be discarded simply because of flaws with MotA.

 

I would finish with 'Thoughts?', but the ME:A forum has traumatised me. 

[Mr.House]

I hope we can tell her we blew up her friend, Saarath. *evil laugh*

[LOLandStuff]

*shudder*

[zeypher]

I hated her character, and hope she remains in history and does not return.

[Mr.House]

I hated her character, and hope she remains in history and does not return.

After she defended the qun hard in DA2, I wonder how she feels now after what they did to Saarath.

[Teddie Sage]

You seem to forget that she mentionned in the live series that she was maybe thinking of leaving the Qun someday. 

[Mr.House]

You seem to forget that she mentionned in the live series that she was maybe thinking of leaving the Qun someday. 

That happen before MoA, and she defends it heavily there, PLus she was writing to Saarath in Trespasser, you know. The guy who was fed lyruim to the point he was a walking WMD, who had to be blown up?

[leaguer of one]

 

 

: unable to debate about the Qun (especially as a mage), and unable to even try and take the scroll. 

You can do both those things. Why do people keep saying they can't?

[Mr.House]

You can do both those things. Why do people keep saying they can't?

Because her argument is crap, and after what happen to Saarath, no mage deserves to be in that hellhole.

[leaguer of one]

I hated her character, and hope she remains in history and does not return.

What if she comes bock but you can kill her?

[BraveVesperia]

Aww, I thought this might be the reaction. 

 

You can do both those things. Why do people keep saying they can't?

As far as I remember, Hawke's counter-argument is very weak. As is their attempt to take the scroll.

Hawke: I'm taking that scroll.

Tallis: Lolnope, *walks off*

Hawke: *does nothing*

 

That happen before MoA, and she defends it heavily there, PLus she was writing to Saarath in Trespasser, you know. The guy who was fed lyruim to the point he was a walking WMD, who had to be blown up?

I'm hoping it would motivate her to reconsider her options, especially if she got to see firsthand what a Qunari invasion looks like. And if loyalty to the Qun put her in conflict with some other morals (like helping a slave rebellion). It wouldn't be the first time she's ignored her orders.

[Arakat]

You seem to forget that she mentionned in the live series that she was maybe thinking of leaving the Qun someday. 

 

Which is one of the many issues people have with her, I believe. You don't just leave the Qun when it no longer feels convenient.

[leaguer of one]

Because her argument is crap, and after what happen to Saarath, no mage deserves to be in that hellhole.

That's not asweering my question. That's just having a fit.

 

1.It more an issue you can't change her mind on it then arguing with her. You can argue and disagree with her. That's fact. but you can't change her mind on her beliefs...Why is that grounds to hate her character?

 

2. I, for one don't like how they treat their mages....But that is the issue of choice. Look at Ketojan, even when free he choose to go back to the qun or die. In the end it's their choice to be with the qun or not with all the consequences. All we can do is just prove the saarabas that they don't need to be bounded.

[leaguer of one]

Aww, I thought this might be the reaction. 

 

As far as I remember, Hawke's counter-argument is very weak. As is their attempt to take the scroll.

Hawke: I'm taking that scroll.

Tallis: Lolnope, *walks off*

Hawke: *does nothing*

 

I'm hoping it would motivate her to reconsider her options, especially if she got to see firsthand what a Qunari invasion looks like. And if loyalty to the Qun put her in conflict with some other morals (like helping a slave rebellion). It wouldn't be the first time she's ignored her orders.

1. It was not really a weak argument.

 

2. That was still a try.

[leaguer of one]

Which is one of the many issues people have with her, I believe. You don't just leave the Qun when it no longer feels convenient.

Yes you do. it's called being Tal-Vashoth.

[Mr.House]

No, it's more the argument is extreamly weak and bias for Tallis.

 

ANd how is just saying give me the scroll and standing like a log "a try."

 

A try is quizy trying to attack Solas or trying to hit Flemeth. Standing like a log is not trying.

[ZoliCs]

I'm one of the few who actually like Tallis, so yeah i'm down for her returning.

[Tielis]

Only if I can go all Sera on her.

 

I have seriously never hated a character more in the entire DA universe.

 

Fiona was a close second, but in the end I still hope for a way to put Tallis out of my misery.

[Arakat]

Yes you do. it's called being Tal-Vashoth.

 

Sure, you can leave, if you manage to avoid re-education. But I really don't believe the Qunari tolerate someone whose attitude is basically "oh, I don't know how long I'm going to be part of the Qun, maybe I'll leave someday".

 

Edit. Granted, it was easier for Tallis to have this attitude and not have it rooted out since she was living in Southern Thedas in the webseries (I think?), but it still annoys me.

[LOLandStuff]

Each time Hawke confronts her out on her BS, she has the last word, even if it's a bigger pile of BS. She comes up with weak arguments and throws in some lame excuse like the latrine info. That was just annoying.

 

And for someone who wouldn't stop preaching about how super awesome the Qun is, she sure broke their rules on a whim.

[Nefla]

*continues to sharpen sharp implements* I hated her and never want to see her again. She reminded me of the kind of Mary-Sue author inserts from teen-written fanfics. That's not to say I wouldn't want viddathari as prominent characters, just not her.

[berelinde]

Her biggest enemy was always her writers. She had to be "everything and a bag of chips" and wasn't allowed to stand on her own as a fully developed character with virtues *and* flaws. She was written as the focal point of the entire DLC, and she simply wasn't up to the challenge. Clearly, she was supposed to be charming and lovable, but we were *told* she was charming and lovable without her ever doing anything to earn it. She backflipped into the scene knowing more about the Kirkwall criminal underworld than Varric, and from there on in, she had to beat every other character at their own game. I'm surprised she didn't tear Carver's greatsword off his back and kill the wyvern with it.

 

If she were re-balanced - made to share the spotlight with a full cast of other characters - and pretty much allowed to lose an argument every once in a while, she'd be fine. That's a lot like saying that I fixed the brakes on my first car, a decrepit old Pontiac, patched all the rust, flushed the fuel line, replaced the suspension, replaced the compression rings on the engine cylinders, and reupholstered the interior, I could have gotten another 10 years out of it. Or, you  know, I could have done what I did: bought a new car.

 

Tallis has a lot of baggage. It might be easier to start over with a different character.

[Navasha]

Nope.   Only way I care to see Tallis again is if she shows up briefly long enough for us to see that shes been "re-educated".    She was always a walking contradiction that I hated.   

 

Tallis : Oh I love the Qun!   I just don't actually follow any of its rules and they never bothered to re-educate me like they do everyone else.

[Wulfram]

I feel we're due an outright rebel from the Qun. I mean we've had Sten, and for a brief period Tallis, who were loyal, and Iron Bull who was kinda ambivalent. I want someone who really hates them.

[leaguer of one]

No, it's more the argument is extreamly weak and bias for Tallis.

 

ANd how is just saying give me the scroll and standing like a log "a try."

 

A try is quizy trying to attack Solas or trying to hit Flemeth. Standing like a log is not trying.

1.Bias? You can straight up tell her she is being hypocritical with how she applies the qun and how it functions. You can point out at one moment that she's saying she is improving the lot while neglecting the fact she's going to do the same to Salit over and over again with a knife. Then the rest of the time your team spends there time picking whole in her argument.

 

Sorry, but you can tell her she wrong and point out her faults.

 

2.and that's still a try.