Solas did not expect a Tevinter Magister to discover the secrect of "effective immortality"...
This 'effective immortality' may be what Flemeth was doing to keep herself alive for so long.
Perhaps Mythal revealed that secret to Flemeth. Perhaps Corypheus learned it when he entered the Black City
Thoughts anyone?
I think by effective immortality, Solas meant that it wasn't true immortality but simply something that achieved the same result. Something that is truly immortal cannot be killed, like for example Xenon. Corypheus can be killed but he has the ability to jump his soul from one body to another, so while his body died he now lives in someone else. The spark of Mythal did something similar with Flemeth and her daughters. And the Archdemons can be killed, but can jump to a nearby Darkspawn and respawn from them, which is why only Grey Wardens can truly kill an Archdemon.
Well, we do know the Seven Chosen Magisters of Old - aka Corypheus and his merry band of blood mages - learned most of the juicy secrets of magic from the old elven mysteries. The body jumping (effective immortality) is for instance an ability of the Evanuris, I suppose.
It's quite possible they learned most of those secrets before entering the Fade and the Black City, since Cory states in the Shrine of Dumat (if you do the Champions of the Just mission) that the only thing he got from the Black City was the darkness, the Corruption, which he and the seven Magisters more than willingly embraced.
I think there's probably different types of "immortality"
From the agelessness that Ancient Elves had to the can't be killed type.
For more: http://tvtropes.org/...ain/Immortality
In the case of Corypheus I think Solas did not think he'd learn the body snatching/ hocrux immortality that Flemythal and maybe other Evanuris had
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I think there's probably different types of "immortality"
From the agelessness that Ancient Elves had to the can't be killed type.
For more: http://tvtropes.org/...ain/Immortality
In the case of Corypheus I think Solas did not think he'd learn the body snatching/ hocrux immortality that Flemythal and maybe other Evanuris had
Do we know for sure that the ancient elves were ageless? Or is it possible their immortality was similar to Flemeth/Mythal/Coryfish?
Could agelessness be a separate kind of magic?
How is possession different from effective immortality?
How is possession different from effective immortality?
What do you mean?
(My understanding and theory, no codex entries to back me up.)
Flemeth unites/merges with the souls of her daughters.
Cory's soul is tied to the blight, even moreso than an Archdemon. An Archdemon, which is an Old God ghoul, will have its soul go to the next blight source, as the soul is chained/enslaved by the blight. This may cause souls to "clash" which kills both involved.
Cory is different, as he is not a ghoul, he is fully of the blight. His soul is damned to the blight like an average soul is tied to the Fade. So, when he "jumps," it is just into the blight of the nearest infected victim, and then that blight materializes as Cory and he tears himself out of the victim as seen in the Temple of Mythal.
It is not something Solas knows much of, as he underestimated Cory and doesn't seem to fully understand darkspawn, as they are a new thing that came to be while he was sleeping.
The blight is like an anti-Fade, it acts like the Fade, being a source of magic and souls can travel through it (sort of), but where the Fade is vibrant and full of life, the blight is dark and chokes out life.
I think it would be pretty dramatic if there is a kind of showdown between the "hero" and an elf god villain (Solas or sun god), where the hero learns blight magic to counter the elf god, as it is something that the elf god would know the least about and would counter the Fade magic... or something. Ultimate Life Magic wielded by the villain and Ultimate Death Magic wielded by the hero.
Do we know for sure that the ancient elves were ageless? Or is it possible their immortality was similar to Flemeth/Mythal/Coryfish?
Could agelessness be a separate kind of magic?
In the main game Solas says that elven immortality was the cumulative effect of all the magic the elves used. He doesn't mention body snatching.
When Solas is talking about Coryheus's immortality, he's talking about his Archdemon like ability to resurrect himself from Blighted creatures.
There is no way to be sure where Corypheus learned this ability. After all he was gathering ancient knowledge to enter the Golden city now Black. Furthermore, Corypheus has red lyrium incorporated into his physical, I would say he is a corrupting force, though he doesn't show any sign of discomfort.
There are other forms of prolonging one's being within Dragon age's past. They are close enough to immortality that if careful they could in essence be considered a means of immorality.
Zathrian's curse is a form of conditional immortality. Shale or other Golems in a way too posses this longevity, too bad for the rod part though.
The Baroness becoming a spirit, a pride demon from feeding on spirits. The Baroness one does not specifically imply 100% immortality because we are unsure if the Baroness as a pride demon would function in the same manner as a spirit. That is, when we kill her could she be reborn with a different personality etc. We cannot know because it hasn't been revealed. However, there is also nothing to suggest she isn't the equivalent of a spirit in the truest meaning of the word within the world of Dragon age except unfounded doubt.
There are others if you wish to find them.
Lastly, the word corruption in Dragon age functions in different ways. However, one important way is that it means to turn something away from its natural state of being. I thought this might be useful if someone wishes to explore what they've forgotten; the wiki 
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Blood magic. Avernus and Zatharian have lived long with it.
Does this mean that the Blight was not what made archdemons immortal and Corypheus but something else? Up until now we thought it was the Blight that caused archdemons and beings like the Architect and Corypheus to be hard to kill. But if that 'effective immortality' is the same that Solas and Flemeth was doing, then it can't be the Blight since Solas and Flemeth were obviously not affected by it.
Going by a Cassandra/Solas banter, those dragons where probably the same thing Corypheus's dragon was: a pet used to house a part of a soul so someone doesn't quite die (i.e. return to the Fade and forget who they are) when their body is destroyed. It is quite similar to what Flemythal does with the amulet (and probably daughters who accept her gift).
Now though, according to Flemythal, one cannot forcibly take over another. This mean that once the body is destroyed, they still need to find a willing host to come back. This is where the Blight comes in, lots and lots of willing host all connected through the Blight. It would also explain why a Grey Warden killing an Archdemon destroy both souls, the Grey Warden is not willing, but the soul int he Archdemon is trying to force its way in which goes against the rule.
Although, Cory does not need permission and his soul does not clash (Legacy DLC).
I believe it has to do with the blight and Cory being a darkspawn.
One of the weirdest things about Cory is that he doesn't utilize darkspawn. He should be able to transfer into a Hurlock and 'regen' that way, plus darkspawn are a near infinite army, yet Cory doesn't take advantage of the fact that he should be able to influence them.
Not even the Architect could control an army darkspawn, only a handful at a time would obey him. They just feared him.
Cory may be able to get some darkspawn to do his deeds, but he can't mind control an army. The song of the Old Gods is all they hear and obey, but someone powerful can force a few to do its bidding for a time (Awakening) but an individual can't control an army of them. Archie utilized Disciples as his sergeants and officers so he could get some sort of army going, but it was never so large that it went beyond a province.
It is just easier to manipulate people, and people can infiltrate easier than darkspawn.
That's just my thought on it.
Does this mean that the Blight was not what made archdemons immortal and Corypheus but something else? Up until now we thought it was the Blight that caused archdemons and beings like the Architect and Corypheus to be hard to kill. But if that 'effective immortality' is the same that Solas and Flemeth were doing, then it can't be the Blight since Solas and Flemeth were obviously not affected by it.
The Blight doesn't make people immortal .
Although the truth is the Blight is a complicated matter at this point.
We have the Blight infecting Red Lyrium , it feeds on the living and grows some more , it doesn't echo of the Old God song , Behemoth and Red templar didn't dig for an Archdemon.But it also sings.
As for immortality with Blighted Lyrium , we don't know .Not enough time to study red templars/Meredith.
The Blight from the Golden City has its own weird effect:
There is the 7 magisters of the Golden City , they kept their soul , they are immortal , they aren't under the compulsion to seek the Song of the Old Gods.They were tainted in the Golden City , so they are special snowflakes.
The Blight in the Golden City doesn't work like on Thedas.There's never been a city forever turning black after a blight on Thedas.
Then there is darkspawn, they are born out of the Blight , they are immortal (sustained by the Taint)but bound by the Song , they may be soulless.
Then there is the Archdemon , they show the same powers as Corypheus , able to body jump , able to use the Blight to create a hive mind and mind control.Except they are , it seems , the source of the Calling.
The main difference is the Archdemon can't mindcontrol wardens unaffected by the Calling , they can't override the warden's will and use their bodies for a new suit.
Then there is ghouls , animal or human , they simply become violent , they start rotting , hearing the song and they'll die after a while.
So ghouls prove at least if you're the average Joe on Thedas , the Blight isn't a garantie for immortality.
Although, Cory does not need permission and his soul does not clash (Legacy DLC).
I believe it has to do with the blight and Cory being a darkspawn.
There are hints that Larius' and Janeka's actions were influenced by Corypheus long before he jumped into them. Just look what happen to Anders if you bring him along.
There are hints that Larius' and Janeka's actions were influenced by Corypheus long before he jumped into them. Just look what happen to Anders if you bring him along.
I assume Cory and co use the Blight like they would use mind control via Blood Magic.
The Old Gods might simply be well...dragons , they do not mind control , it's simply their song driving people insane for whatever reasons.
It seems the darkspawn seek the Old God for the "Light" , aka their song is the Light , (Chant of Light anyone?) , I have vague memory of the Architect saying this in the novel (can't find the book though...it's err...somewhere)
Anyway my theory at this point is the Great Dragons were just like the Titans.
We know the Titans in best case scenario have a hive mind with dwarves like Valta , and every dwarves could tap into it until they got cut from it for unknown reason.Valta hears the stone , and she feels bliss and whole when reunited with a non corrupted Titan.
Titans were put to sleep for again unknown reason , and a dwarf can only "bond " with an awaken Titan.
I suspect the Dragons were the equivalent of Titans .We know dragons are the "blood of the world" , and spirits were able to take mortal form in Thedas (Cole , origin of the elves).
It may be linked to dragons , and that why the Blight from the Golden City create a mockery of life , a twisted race the darkspawn , seeking the non corrupted powers of those Great Dragons .
It's possible dragons were able to turn their thoughts (spirit) to "true" life ...something no mages is capable of even the elves of old.
It's mentioned that he was lured and imprisoned in the first place when he popped up after his fall by using the remains and blood of dumat.
I assume Cory and co use the Blight like they would use mind control via Blood Magic.
The Old Gods might simply be well...dragons , they do not mind control , it's simply their song driving people insane for whatever reasons.
It seems the darkspawn seek the Old God for the "Light" , aka their song is the Light , (Chant of Light anyone?) , I have vague memory of the Architect saying this in the novel (can't find the book though...it's err...somewhere)
Anyway my theory at this point is the Great Dragons were just like the Titans.
We know the Titans in best case scenario have a hive mind with dwarves like Valta , and every dwarves could tap into it until they got cut from it for unknown reason.Valta hears the stone , and she feels bliss and whole when reunited with a non corrupted Titan.
Titans were put to sleep for again unknown reason , and a dwarf can only "bond " with an awaken Titan.
I suspect the Dragons were the equivalent of Titans .We know dragons are the "blood of the world" , and spirits were able to take mortal form in Thedas (Cole , origin of the elves).
It may be linked to dragons , and that why the Blight from the Golden City create a mockery of life , a twisted race the darkspawn , seeking the non corrupted powers of those Great Dragons .
It's possible dragons were able to turn their thoughts (spirit) to "true" life ...something no mages is capable of even the elves of old.
What interests me about the immortal priests using the blight to control blighted people/darkspawn/wardens is whether or not that leash can be pulled in both directions. Can a sufficiently willed Warden influence Corypheus/et al?
One of the weirdest things about Cory is that he doesn't utilize darkspawn. He should be able to transfer into a Hurlock and 'regen' that way, plus darkspawn are a near infinite army, yet Cory doesn't take advantage of the fact that he should be able to influence them.
I'm glad someone else broght this up. It has always bothered me. Considering the power he holds over darkspawn, which we learned about all the way back in DA2 Legacy, you'd think they would have been a part of his army. The Venatori, Red Templars, and The Darkspawn Horde would have been quite the army. Definitely weird this was never addressed, because Corypheus clearly holds sway over Darkspawn. Oversight on Bioware's part, perhaps??
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