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[Wren]

I am looking for those of you in this forum who are analytical lore nerds and experts on this game's codexes and what is and is not said about the veil.

It seems like most people are positive that lots of people will die if it's destroyed, but *what exists in the game lore* to make them think that?  I'm having trouble seeing the same thing everyone else is, mostly because I find it laughable that such a complex and well- written world as this game has would have such a one-dimensional world crisis as "Sad Immortal Elf wants to make the world go boom because he's a racist".  

Ugh, even Snidely Whiplash from the old Hanna Barbera cartoons had more complex motivations than that. 

Is it all really that black & white?  

 

[The Night Haunter]

No it isn't black & white. Solas knows that people (elves, humans, maybe even qunari and dwarves) could be much more without the veil. He raised the veil to free the people, but today elves and humans and dwarves are still slaves (or servants, which in Orlais pretty much means slave). Also people are 'less' than they could be. Imagine the difference between a tranquil and a non-mage, it is that same difference in the other direction (ie difference between a normal peron and someone who lives in a world without the veil).

 

He basically wants to undo his mistake, and that will cause the deaths of thousands of people as demons will have direct access to the world. The abundance of magic means people who were not mages before will become mages and with no training they are likely to cause a lot of unintentional destruction.

 

But what Solas really means when he says it requires 'The destruction of your world' is the same as what he meant when he said he 'Destroyed their [the elves] world'. It isn't a literal destruction, it is a figurative one. Societies wil be forever changed and all the rules that guided the world will be upturned.

[D_Schattenjager]

Depends upon what is the inspiration behind veil theory? Is Dragon Age spirit & non spirit world same as that of Avatar series? If yes than merging will not destroy the world

[myahele]

I always thought he meant that destroying the veil will result in an explosion similar to Conclave explosion, but world-wide. He does say that the world would burn and that he'd build the new elvhen empire on the ashes of the former. Whether that's figurative or literal ... who knows.

 

Short-term (relatively speaking) powerful demons (like The Nighmare) would be free to do whatever they want, so even if people survive they'll still have to deal with demons running amok, especially since Cole says the spirits have retreated to the deeper Fade due fearing another breach-like event will happen.

 

Then there's also the 2 sets of pantheon being free.

 

Otherwise, the world will survive but that's not really saying much.

[The Night Haunter]

In quite a few codexes throughout Trespasser it is intimated there are 'levels' to the fade. So rather than just being 'the fade' there are 'areas' where no-one from the unchanging world has ever ventured (including back when the Elves ruled before the Veil). Plus a lot of demons/spirits fascination with the unchanging world is that they can't easily get here (think Teenagers and telling them no). 

It is entirely plausible that the demon threat would be short-lived, and that after a little while they would grow bored with the unchanging world and many would go back to other areas of the fade. Especially since Arlathan wasn't plagued by demons (there are mentions of certain demons, namely the four forgotten ones (?), but they are thrown out of Elven lands), it seems likely that spirits wouldn't be a constant threat after the novelty of the Unchanging World wore off.

[Reznore57]

With him saying he's going to pretty much kill everyone , and say the current world has to be destroyed for his utopia to rise...

I imagine blood magic will play a role.

Blood magic weakens the veil , killing everyone in Thedas and channelling a spell through their blood soaking the earth (lyrium ) should do the trick nicely.

Also remember Solas isn't against blood magic.

[The Night Haunter]

With him saying he's going to pretty much kill everyone , and say the current world has to be destroyed for his utopia to rise...

I imagine blood magic will play a role.

Blood magic weakens the veil , killing everyone in Thedas and channelling a spell through their blood soaking the earth (lyrium ) should do the trick nicely.

Also remember Solas isn't against blood magic.

Well considering Solas wants there to be a population to enjoy his new old world and that you cannot create life (even golems were once living dwarves, they couldn't get Golems without sacrificing a life) I'd guess his plans are less drastic than that. His original plan was to use the Anchor to walk into the fade and tear it down from the inside. Just because the Magisters required an ocean's worth of blood to Fade Walk doesn't mean Solas has the same restrictions (he is already more powerful than any magister).

[Reznore57]

Well considering Solas wants there to be a population to enjoy his new old world and that you cannot create life (even golems were once living dwarves, they couldn't get Golems without sacrificing a life) I'd guess his plans are less drastic than that. His original plan was to use the Anchor to walk into the fade and tear it down from the inside. Just because the Magisters required an ocean's worth of blood to Fade Walk doesn't mean Solas has the same restrictions (he is already more powerful than any magister).

 

There's a couple of ancient elves still living and there's hints ancient elves were just spirits like Cole , they managed to gain a body somehow.

So everyone can die , as long as there's some spirits left after a while they'll manage to get a body in Thedas.

[actionhero112]

Solas tells you what will happen is that the current world will burn in the fires of chaos if the veil is torn down. He also tells you that innocents will be killed for his plan to succeed. He also flat out tells you he's going to destroy the world.

 

His plan is very black and white. His character however, enjoys more shades of grey. He strikes a very sympathetic figure, even if his plan of action is monstrous in nature. 

[Wren]

With him saying he's going to pretty much kill everyone , and say the current world has to be destroyed for his utopia to rise...

I imagine blood magic will play a role.

Blood magic weakens the veil , killing everyone in Thedas and channelling a spell through their blood soaking the earth (lyrium ) should do the trick nicely.

Also remember Solas isn't against blood magic.

So, if you can use blood magic to open the veil and let demons out, then how is it that users of blood magic also cannot access the Fade as easily as others magic users? That confuses me.

[Reznore57]

But.... Lore specifically says that users of Blood Magic do not use the Fade to access blood magic and that users of blood magic have more difficulty entering the fade as well.  So. yeah, I don't think he needs to use blood magic for any reason, especially since his intent is to merge the fade and unchanging world together. 

 

Death and blood magic weakens the veil and sometimes tears it.

His first plan was to enter the fade with the anchor and use the power of the orb to destroy the veil...but the orb and the anchor are gone , he needs something else now to achieve this.

When you ask why he has to destroy the current world for his plan to suceed ...he refuses to answer , probably not wanting to give his plan B away.

 

The last time someone wanted to reshape reality through the fade , dragon blood was used.Although it was more like a mind control spell.

[renfrees]

The words "raw chaos" caught my attention. We know that the Fade is chaotic and shaped by emotion and thought - what if merging the worlds would also merge its rules? If the thought will affect physical, I can only imagine the amount of chaos it would create.

[Daerog]

The Night Haunter has the general understanding right, I think.

 

 

Anyway, there has always been a kind of "border" between Earth and the Fade. In the codex referring to the banishment of the forbidden ones, it mentions that the Earth is the right of the elf gods and by banishing the forbidden ones, the elf gods are also forbidding them from taking on material form again.

 

The Veil is just a "wall" placed on where that "border" is, which makes gaining power from the Fade more difficult and makes it more difficult for beings to go back and forth. It trapped those in the Crossroads, spirits and mortals alike, because it existed at the "border."

 

This whole immaterial/Fade and material/Earth thing reminds me of Warhammer 40k.