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[Dracon525]

As mentioned in the thread a couple times, I think they should be either both genders, or shape-shifters. What I thought would be cool is, say they're scripted to apear at a certain point in the game (main story, for example). Their appearance could be based on the gender that our player-character is romancing (or has flirted with, at least). If the P.C has had no romantic actions at all, then they could either have as neutral appearance (representing other desires, such as power or wealth), or it could be an entirely different demon.

Actually, that's be cool too... A different demon based on your in-game choices...

[JadeDragon]

I picture male desire demons looking like someone I would picture most women desiring in this time of age. And that is a rich suave nobleman. Playing the prince charming role displaying charisma and seducing women with status as well as looks. Image wise it not look like a male stripper but wear some pants variation of what desire females wear but still be shirtless and wearing chains and jewels. flame head can still appear along with horns. While females play up the bad girl look males would play up the good guy look offering women that false hope of a knight in shining armor. But overall i don't think desire demons need a male variation just shapeshift into a male of another race because there demon form is there true form and demons don't have sexes so giving them a variation would call for pride or sloth to need one as well.

[SardaukarElite]

The Desire Demon appearance never made sense. I think if they're pulling a ruse their appearance should be whatever that desire they are selling is, and if we're fighting them then they should take on a horrible Giger form.

[Frikipolleces]

I picture male desire demons looking like someone I would picture most women desiring in this time of age. And that is a rich suave nobleman. Playing the prince charming role displaying charisma and seducing women with status as well as looks. Image wise it not look like a male stripper but wear some pants variation of what desire females wear but still be shirtless and wearing chains and jewels. flame head can still appear along with horns. While females play up the bad girl look males would play up the good guy look offering women that false hope of a knight in shining armor. But overall i don't think desire demons need a male variation just shapeshift into a male of another race because there demon form is there true form and demons don't have sexes so giving them a variation would call for pride or sloth to need one as well.

Oh, please! This idea that women don't find naked men so attractive as the other way around is utterly ridiculous, never mind sexist. Look for Dragon Age fanart and chances are you'll find 5 pictures of sexy-and-barely-clothed Fenris for each knight in shining armor.

 

Women have sexual desires, they like it lewd. Get over it.

[PrayingMantis]

Oh, please! This idea that women don't find naked men so attractive as the other way around is utterly ridiculous, never mind sexist. Look for Dragon Age fanart and chances are you'll find 5 pictures of sexy-and-barely-clothed Fenris for each knight in shining armor.

 

Women have sexual desires, they like it lewd. Get over it.

 

Pretty much this. Look for some Iron Bull fanart and you'll see that he's pretty often completly naked and has piercing in... Places.

I have a feeling that this assumption is mostly coming from dudes who dislike to see other dudes naked. Absolutly nothing wrong with that, that's their opinon, but that's all it is really. Their opinion.

If I'm not a dude I can't make assumptions about what most women like to see. If I'm not a chick I can't just make assumptipons about what most dudes like to see, it's that simple.

The majority of the filthiest fanart and fanficiton (I don't mean this negatively actually ) I have seen, was made by women. Not all of it, but most.

 

Beware, I am going to act like a baby now:

I find it a bit unfair that you people got a pretty much naked lady demon in two games and I didn't even get the chance to lust after a single naked dude demon, like c'mon. Was happy to hear Inquisiton getting a male desire demon, and then he shows up in freaking Ander's clothes and I can't even see his face, because there was no cutscene.

[JadeDragon]

Oh, please! This idea that women don't find naked men so attractive as the other way around is utterly ridiculous, never mind sexist. Look for Dragon Age fanart and chances are you'll find 5 pictures of sexy-and-barely-clothed Fenris for each knight in shining armor.

Women have sexual desires, they like it lewd. Get over it.

I wasn't talking about RL players but actual in game characters. Im aware of women having the same desires as men. I just suggest a design that overall would sit well with both parties.

[The Ascendant]

Spirits technically don't have genders and according to lore can change their appearance at whim to best seduce and tempt the particular mage. Remember if you bring Dorian to the Fade he comments on an encounter with a male desire demon. The demon knew that Dorian preferred men and so adjusted accordingly.

[dgcatanisiri]

Oh, please! This idea that women don't find naked men so attractive as the other way around is utterly ridiculous, never mind sexist. Look for Dragon Age fanart and chances are you'll find 5 pictures of sexy-and-barely-clothed Fenris for each knight in shining armor.

 

Women have sexual desires, they like it lewd. Get over it.

 

There's a particular piece of Alistair fanart that immediately comes to mind that I'm not going to dig out a link to because it's decidedly NSFW...

 

Seriously, women (and gay men) enjoy seeing sexualized men just as much as het guys want to see sexualized women.

[fhs33721]

I don't care If it's desire demons but I want more talkative demons again. You can only meet 3 talking demons at max in the main game and that only if you do the templar quest instad of the mage one. Else it's 2. Imshael and the Nightmare. Those two are actually pretty cool but every other demon is treated as random trash mob. Even Pride demons and fear demons show up at every other rift as big things to kill witout having anything to say.

And more jarring still is that even those that are invovled in some rahter long quests (for example: haunted manison demon or that one pride demon locked away in the Solasan temple) don't get a single line of Dialogue. I mean It took me hours to collect all these shards and what do I get? No cutscene? No conversation? Just a fight against a generic pride demon like rifts spawn up to three at times.  Doesnt even have any comabt lines at all? Oh, great.... .

At least Jaws of Hakkon added some more talking demons (if you count Hakkon).

[diaspora2k5]

As mentioned in the thread a couple times, I think they should be either both genders, or shape-shifters. What I thought would be cool is, say they're scripted to apear at a certain point in the game (main story, for example). Their appearance could be based on the gender that our player-character is romancing (or has flirted with, at least). If the P.C has had no romantic actions at all, then they could either have as neutral appearance (representing other desires, such as power or wealth), or it could be an entirely different demon.

Actually, that's be cool too... A different demon based on your in-game choices...

Or even desire demons that evolve over the course of the game based on your choices, even taking on forms of people you get close to.

[myahele]

Maybe Desire demons are Futanari?

[Siliarba]

I hope that desire demons make a return like they did in the original DA and the second one of course. I liked the idea of Imshael and him bringing to the table that desire demons don't have to be female, they don't even have to have a set form.

 

That said I would love the original Succubus forms to be in there as well, many people bring up the thing that not everyone desires a succubus looking demon and that is a fair point. But the point should also be made that there is nothing wrong with them being implemented as the succubus desire demons we've come to know in dragon age origins and 2. 

 

And considering 9 out of 10 times they start by talking and not fighting, the way the conversation goes can determine their looks, either they start out as the female succubus form and change shape when they (possibly embarrassingly) figure out their target doesn't desire that so much. Or a being not in direct view, either simply obscured or not yet having taken form and after some dialogue or some other way (BioWare is intelligent I'm sure they can find far more fun and fitting ways than a simple conversation to determine it ^^) they appear as the form your answers lead it to believe you desire.

[AstraDrakkar]

Yep, I wanna see me some hot naked male desire demons in the next game!

 

Seriously though, I don't think desire demons will play a major part in the next game if Solas does what he plans to do. The world will be filled with war and chaos which will mostly increase the number of fear demons encountered. (plan on more freaky green spiders folks!)

 

BTW why do games always use giant spiders anyway? There are lots of other things people have an innate fear of. There are snakes and other things they could use. Surprise me Bioware. Spiders are getting boring for me.

[XMissWooX]

You'd think Desire Demons would materialise with both sets of genitalia, just to cover all their bases. That way they could use their breasts to get straight men and gay ladies all excited, and their penis to get... meh.

[AstraDrakkar]

And now the thread moves to.. hermaphrodite desire demons..............

[Siliarba]

And now the thread moves to.. hermaphrodite desire demons..............

Not enough! We need 3 gendered desire demosn!

 

Now in all seriousness I prefer they stook to a single gender once they come in to view. Also, instead of having ones that can change shapes to fit their target, it could also be a simple case of there existing Succubi and Incubi. I mean, they have often offered things that had little to nothing to do with sex, they just happened to look like sexy demons, which exist abundantly in folklore.

[PrayingMantis]

I don't get why the talk about genitalia has even started to be honest . If I look at a person, I'm not attracted to them because I'm thinking about what they might have in their pants straight away. It's about how attractive their face and body look to me.

Y'know, a straight dude could perhaps like some curvy girl, a straight girl could perhaps like a man with a freaking dorito-shaped upper body, I don't know.

 

I could see desire demons appearing as these non-physical beings that fly around and sweet-talk to you. And if you do mention your desire for somebody specific they manifest physically into that. So if your protagonist's like "I want money", you'll get money and there's no need for boobies in your face, so they'll just continue to fly around as wicked spirits with chilling voices. If you say "I want women", or "I want men", the demon will turn into that. Hell, we could get several desire demons even, it would be even easier to include different variations of them.

[The Ascendant]

Is Imshael a desire demon? I know that he's a choice spirit and one of the Forbidden Ones and in the fight he shapeshifts into a rage, pride and fear demon, but Michel de Chavon calls him a desire demon. But what would a mundane elf blooded Chevalier know of demons and spirits.
It is most likely that male looking desire demons exist as easily as the typical female ones, Dorian mentions that he encountered one if you bring him to the Fade. What they would look like? Humanoid most likely to more easily interact and tempt mortals.

[papercut_ninja]

Furbie-desire-demon

Jailbait-desire-demon

Gimp-desire-demon

 

...at some point the line just has to be drawn no matter what preferences the fans may have...

[maia0407]

Furbie-desire-demon

Jailbait-desire-demon

Gimp-desire-demon

 

...at some point the line just has to be drawn no matter what preferences the fans may have...

Aw come on, now. Asking for both genders in a desire demon isn't asking for animal or children desire demons. Stop trying to conflate people's requests with something they are not so that you can defend the status quo. It's always telling when the status quo remains what the group that is always catered to wants and the requests of the people that aren't catered to are painted as 'slippery slope' requests.

[papercut_ninja]

Aw come on, now. Asking for both genders in a desire demon isn't asking for animal or children desire demons. Stop trying to conflate people's requests with something they are not so that you can defend the status quo. It's always telling when the status quo remains what the group that is always catered to wants and the requests of the people that aren't catered to are painted as 'slippery slope' requests.

 

...funny that the original desire demon avatar is sort of a combination of those three desires I mentioned...

 

...see what I did there

[thats1evildude]

Is Imshael a desire demon? I know that he's a choice spirit and one of the Forbidden Ones and in the fight he shapeshifts into a rage, pride and fear demon, but Michel de Chavon calls him a desire demon. But what would a mundane elf blooded Chevalier know of demons and spirits.

Michel diesn't know about the Forbidden Ones, of course, so he calls Imshael a desire demon because that's his only frame of reference. But that's a bit simplistic. The Forbidden Ones are more than mere demons.

It's always telling when the status quo remains what the group that is always catered to wants and the requests of the people that aren't catered to are painted as 'slippery slope' requests.

I don't really see how any group is being "catered to," considering desire demons are more often than not just mooks to be killed. If there's some poor bastard pausing the combat to ogle the desire demons, I pity him/her.

As I've said often in the past, desire demons don't present themselves as objects of YOUR desire, just representations of desire itself. And they're actually genderless.

My argument is based on visual consistency. We've got a model for desire demons now, and there's no compelling reason to change.

[maia0407]

Michel diesn't know about the Forbidden Ones, of course, so he calls Imshael a desire demon because that's his only frame of reference. But that's a bit simplistic. The Forbidden Ones are more than mere demons.

I don't really see how any group is being "catered to," considering desire demons are more often than not just mooks to be killed. If there's some poor bastard pausing the combat to ogle the desire demons, I pity him/her.

As I've said often in the past, desire demons don't present themselves as objects of YOUR desire, just representations of desire itself. And they're actually genderless.

My argument is based on visual consistency. We've got a model for desire demons now, and there's no compelling reason to change.

Your position is a bit inconsistent in that you are arguing that the depiction of the desire demon isn't catering to straight white males desires and also arguing that the nude female form represents desire. The point being made is that the female desire demon doesn't represent desire for at least half the population, probably more if you include asexuals. That's a very compelling reason to either change how the desire demon is presented or represent both male and females at the very least.

 

I'm not surprised that the demographic that already has their desires catered to is arguing to keep the status quo. They are so used to their desires being seen as the 'default' position that they can't imagine that it might yank someone else right out of the story. Of course, the arguments aren't compelling to them as they have no problem with their wants being the only ones taken into consideration.

 

ETA: And as far as 'visual consistency' goes, there's no in game reason that desire demons can't take other forms. That just feels like a poor excuse to, yet again, prop up the status quo.

[thats1evildude]

What demographic is that? Straight males? Do gay women not like the female body? I can tell you that they do.

But yes, desire demons are a generic representation of desire. "Naked female body" works as a pretty easy metaphor for lust. And they're more than capable of switching into other forms when the situation calls for it, as we saw in DA2 with Feynriel.

I could understand this argument if the desire demons were out to have sex with you, but they're not. Most just try to kill you. The few that try to make deals generally offer wealth, power or influence with companions.

I argue desire demons should stay the same for the same reason darkspawn should stay the same. Constantly changing things makes it harder to reconcile the older games with the new ones. Like, did the Warden hallucinate the short gremlin genlocks? Because they look like slavs of muscle now.

There's no reason to change other than some people have this insane notion that they need to be accomodated at all times, and if there's even the slightest hint they're not being accomodated, it's some grave injustice. That argument applies to male gamers AND female gamers.

[maia0407]

What demographic is that? Straight males? Do gay women not like the female body? Somrone should PM Maria Caliban and tell her she's doing the whole lesbian thing wrong.

But yes, desire demons are a generic representation of desire. "Naked female body" works as a pretty easy metaphor for lust. And they're more than capable of switching into other forms when the situation calls for it, as we saw in DA2 with Feynriel.

I could understand this argument if the desire demons were out to have sex with you, but they're not. Most just try to kill you. The few that try to make deals generally offer wealth, power or connection with a lost loved one.

I argue desire demons should stay the same for the same reason darkspawn should stay the same. They've looked the way they do for two games now. There's no reason to change other than some people have this insane notion that they need to be accomodated at all times, and if there's even the slightest hint they're not being accomodated, it's some grave injustice.

I could be wrong, but I don't see a lot of gay women arguing that desire demons should only be represented as female. That's probably due to the fact that they understand how shitty it can be to not have your perspective into account. The majority of people that are arguing for the status quo appear to be straight men and that's because it benefits them.

 

Again, you are not getting the point that the female form doesn't represent desire except for those that are attracted to the female form. Do you not even question why you would consider the female form as a generic representation of desire? You don't see that you have this view precisely because you are catered to?

 

I don't see anything wrong with accommodating others that have a different perspective than you. Why is that so threatening and 'insane' to you that other people's tastes might be represented? Why is it so bad to update the game to reflect what many of the people that play it want? It's not taking anything away from you. It's only acknowledging other players. Are straight men so special that they are the only ones deserving of acknowledgement?