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[Anaeme]

I dont understand how Flemeth would provide Solas with the power to pursue his plans, It truly baffles me. 

 

Solas wants to destroy the world, why would Flemeth help him?

[Daerog]

Vengeance.

 

Flemeth made it clear that Mythal (and Flemeth herself before merging) wanted revenge for her death. Mythal was a shadow, a ghost of her former self, a spark of a once greater light.

 

Still, it's not clear if Flemythal gave or Solas took the power.

[Daerog]

https://www.youtube....h?v=TSSJYAb2_r0
 
 
At 4:00... pretty much hints at the stuff revealed in Trespasser.
 

[Patchwork]

Mythal can't get revenge until Solas releases the Evanuris and ultimately that's more important to her than a few mortal lives.

 

But because it's Mythal I suspect she has a plan so Solas wont be successful beyond releasing the other gods, she's not going to let him destroy the world. 

[The Night Haunter]

We've already seen she can split herself into multiple 'instances'. There is no reason to believe she didn't do something similar at the end of DAI. Let Solas grab a piece of her soul so she could manipulate him into releasing the Evanuris, after which she takes back her soul from Solas when he weakened from breaking the veil. Then she crushes the fools who killed her.

[Qun00]

What does this say about Mythal, though?

Solas calls her the most fair and caring ruler among the Evanuris, while the Dalish refer to her as "the Protector".

[myahele]

She does say "I am sorry, as well, old friend'" to and refers to him as Dread Wolf (not even in Elvhen at that!)

 

As I said before, Solas accomplished alot in just a few short years after awakening ... Flemythal has been around for centuries. Planning. She's got the Dalish revere her as "Asha'Bellanar," her daughter(s) protecting and reawakening Great Dragons, Morrigan, drinker of the Well of Sorrows and that's just what we know

 

She also refers to the modern Dalish (maybe even city elves) as The People and how they bend their knees too quickly. So iat the very least she considers them more highly than Solas currently does.

[Urzon]

What does this say about Mythal, though?

Solas calls her the most fair and caring ruler among the Evanuris, while the Dalish refer to her as "the Protector".

That getting killed by your family and your very essence getting ripped apart where only a sliver of your original self struggles to survive can change anyone?

[Gervaise]

Flemeth/Mythal always has a contingency plan.   I think that Solas messing with reality and throwing up the Veil probably delayed her return, so she had to find the long way back.    I hope that her apology to him was because ultimately she is going to screw him over and save the world from his actions via Morrigan.   She definitely sent something into the eluvian prior to his arrival.   So she wants a reckoning with evanuris that killed her but I'm staying hopeful that she doesn't intend that to be at the expense of everyone else.

 

Flemeth does not regard Abelas and his kin as the only true elves.    Unlike Abelas and Solas she does acknowledge modern elves (the Dalish at least) as being "of the People".   Her words to Merrill "the People are too quick to bow the knee" and a Dalish Inquisitor:   "You do the People proud", confirm that.    When challenged why she hasn't done more, she intimates that to have done so would not have been a good thing "You don't know what you are asking."    If she still regards herself as a protector of the People, then that includes all the elves, yet Solas' plan would kill everyone but the ancient ones (and may be even them too - he didn't seem to realise how catastrophic his actions would be last time).  

 

It is also noticeable that she doesn't view the Grey Wardens in the same negative light that Solas does.    She actively helped us in DAO, albeit with her own agenda but nevertheless she did do so.    To be honest I'd be really disappointed if Flemeth didn't have plan when she submitted to Solas, which I'm pretty sure she did since nothing he says in the epilogue seems to contradict what we learn about his past and what he did with Corypheus was before the meeting with Flemeth so clearly she had no influence over his actions there.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Man, are people forgetting who Flemeth is? She only saved the PC in each game for her personal gain. She's still ruthless, manipulative and cunning witch who's killed people for joy before and emotionally abuses her daughter.

 

She's probably just as crazy as Solas.

[brivdl1]

At the end of DAI (without dlc) npc of Orlaïs, says that a gost named Mythal come into their dreams

I think that solas has "desactivated" Flemmeth/Mythal

so it's why when Solas say "I 'm sorry" Flemmeth says so "I'm sorry",it's because solas know that Flemmeth/Mythal is now against him

[In Exile]

I dont understand how Flemeth would provide Solas with the power to pursue his plans, It truly baffles me.

Solas wants to destroy the world, why would Flemeth help him?

It's not clear that she consented to anything. She just didn't stop him, which is very different. The scene looks like he took it from her, not she gave it (and we have the suspicions re: what she sent through the Eluvian).

[Ferretinabun]

What does this say about Mythal, though?

Solas calls her the most fair and caring ruler among the Evanuris, while the Dalish refer to her as "the Protector".

That occurred to me too. It's odd that she was always described as fair and wise but is now apparently a part of a 'revenge against the world' plot.

 

Then again, it might just be Flemeth and Solas raging on her behalf. Or, as Urzon says, being murdered kindof put a bee in her bonnet.

[Arvaarad]

She does say "I am sorry, as well, old friend'" to and refers to him as Dread Wolf (not even in Elvhen at that!)

I think the entire conversation is in Elvish, it's just been translated for our convenience. When people are speaking in Common, they say "the Dread Wolf" and only drop the "the" when they use it as a name - "Fen'Harel".

Flemeth drops the article, so she's probably saying Fen'Harel rather than Dread Wolf.

[Reznore57]

I think Flemeth and Solas had a long and somewhat complicated relationship.

I think he used to be her guardian and champion , and she was grooming him for something , probably replacing some of the Evanuris who were getting out of hand.

 

Then she dies , and he avenges her ...he take her mantle of protecting the People and create the veil before the Evanuris destroys everything.

 

Mythal was harsh but fair , those who seek her help , if they are confident and righteous, get it.

For example when Marethari was made keeper of the clan , they were attacked by Avaar , her husband was killed , and several others elves.She went looking for Asha bellanar , Flemeth avenged Marethari clan.

Later Marethari helped with the amulet.

 

She owed Solas , for avenging her and take her role as protector of the People .So she grants her power to Solas.Probably as a last boon for what he did.

I think she says she's sorry , because she repaid him , her debt is settled and their friendship is probably over since the price was her life.

I doubt she will let him kill everyone now , she was always the one keeping her pantheon from hurting the People.

[9TailsFox]

What does this say about Mythal, though?

Solas calls her the most fair and caring ruler among the Evanuris, while the Dalish refer to her as "the Protector".

And Loghain is good father and loved ruler by his people/solders.

[Aren]

It's not clear that she consented to anything. She just didn't stop him, which is very different. The scene looks like he took it from her, not she gave it (and we have the suspicions re: what she sent through the Eluvian).

Elven gods powers cannot be transferred without consent, so i believe it was Mythal/FLemeth who allowed Solas to absorb those powers(she even waited for him ),because is fitting for her plans.

She seek revenge,however i fail to grasp on a punishment than could be worse of an eternal exile.

[Lumix19]

Weren't there developer notes posted on reddit about this?

https://www.reddit.c...54.1439293048#s

[Urzon]

Elven gods powers cannot be transferred without consent, so i believe it was Mythal/FLemeth who allowed Solas to absorb those powers(she even waited for him ),because is fitting for her plans.

The Inquisitor gaining the Mark, a portion of Solas' old power from the Orb, by sheer happenstance would kinda disprove that though.

[Almostfaceman]

I dont understand how Flemeth would provide Solas with the power to pursue his plans, It truly baffles me. 

 

Solas wants to destroy the world, why would Flemeth help him?

 

Why are you leaving it up to other people in your thread to link to what the heck you're talking about? If you're going to start a conversation, link to the info source next time, please. I had no idea where you were getting the notion that Flemeth provided Solas with any power. 

[Gervaise]

Don't forget the Well of Sorrows either.    If you drink from it then you get definite benefits in Trespasser since you are able to control the spirits that Solas put on guard.   Who knows what else the Well may help you with in the future?    Either with the Inquisitor being the bearer or Morrigan returning in the same role.

 

Solas did seem to tie himself in knots over the Well.   He wouldn't drink himself; may be it would have revealed his true nature too soon and in any case he didn't want to be bound to anyone.   However, he was clearly stumped since he didn't want Morrigan to drink, was upset if the Inquisitor drank, yet agreed that someone should, if nothing else to prevent Corypheus from using it (via another of his followers),     I'm inclined to think that his anxiety concerning the Well stemmed not so much from concern for the Inquisitor as for what it might reveal to them.

[tirnoney]

I don't understand why people are still discussing this when the answer was datamined by someone a long time ago.  I'm not going to repeat it but just follow the reddit link above.  When you know that, it's obvious she was passing at least some of the essence of Mythal through the Eluvian to Morrigan before Solas took the remainder of her power.  Why did she let him do it?  She likes to nudge things and "As long as the music plays, we dance."  She needs him to release the Evanuris in order to take her revenge.  Probably.  That's my guess anyway.  I don't think she has any intention of letting him destroy the world as it is now.  She clearly sees the current Elven people as "real" in a way that Solas still does not.  I don't think he realises she's manipulating him yet.  None of that means she is "the good guy" in all of this either, since she's probably willing to let Solas unleash untold devastation on Thedas just to get a shot at vengeance against the Evanuris.

[InfinitePaths]

Before discussing Flemythal's nature, goal and morality, we need to ask ourselves the following question:

 

How much of Mythal is there in Flemeth? 

[Almostfaceman]

Before discussing Flemythal's nature, goal and morality, we need to ask ourselves the following question:

 

How much of Mythal is there in Flemeth? 

 

Well apparently there's enough to keep Flemeth around for a very long time, driving towards revenge. There's enough that Flemeth knows who Solas is. There's enough that Flemeth can turn into a dragon. There seems to be quite a bit, since she can break herself into pieces and survive.