Guest_Keeva_*
Oh, no. In the Fade, there's an image of her being stabbed in the back and blood gushing everywhere (if Morrigan is chasing her son into the Fade through the Eluvian). She was murdered and she wants revenge. There's no reason to doubt any of that. it's what motivated Solas to put up the Veil in the first place.
I just checked and it's Dirthamen's statue covered in gushing blood.
I just checked and it's Dirthamen's statue covered in gushing blood.
Indeed, it's not Mythal's statue, though now I'm wondering why not. Either way, it's creepy.
Guest_Keeva_*
Indeed, it's not Mythal's statue, though now I'm wondering why not. Either way, it's creepy.
I was feeling pretty sick when I first saw it. 
I wonder where the blood is coming from.
The Nightmare's domain had a blood waterfall due to all the blood sacrifices for it .... I wonder if the domain we saw Flemythal w/ Kieran was the same way?
Guest_Keeva_*
I wonder where the blood is coming from.
The Nightmare's domain had a blood waterfall due to all the blood sacrifices for it .... I wonder if the domain we saw Flemythal w/ Kieran was the same way?
The Black City is much further away from when we first entered, so I think we are further back from where we landed. The Shattered Library in Trespasser also reminds me of the raw Fade.
She's been putting herself between the rest of the world and the Evenuris for a long time. The world was betrayed by the treachery and abuse of the Evanuris when they slaughtered her, their defender. There's no reason at all to doubt any of that. It's very clear, just as the image in the Fade of her literal murder.
The Evanuris have been gone for all recorded history, apart from the vague memories the Dalish bastardized into their culture. We have no idea what the Evanuris did apart from Solas (somewhat justifiably) calling them bad cookies. But remember - Solas has a vested interest in demonizing his enemies, and he outright says as much to the IB in their banters (about fighting Tal-Vasoth).
The Fade - we're repeatedly told not to trust what we see in it - is not exactly reliable when it comes to objective truth. We've read a lot of codex entries recently that cast Mythal - in comparison to her peers - in a more compansionate light (esp. re: the Titans). But that doesn't make her the hero in the story, and it doesn't make the Evanuris the villains who betrayed her.
The line doesn't make sense if we're just talking about a murder. It has to be something more fundamental. It doesn't have to be Solas creating the Veil - but it's something more than just pretend gods being dicks to each other.
If that were true, why not just kill him while he was weak?
Why do you think she wants to kill him, even if she's talking about him, which, remember, is not what I really think? I don't think she wants him to die. Wanting Solas not to commit a second genocide means stopping him, but that's not the same as wanting to gank him in an alley.
My point is just that we shouldn't take either her or Solas at face value, especially when they're just being so very forthcoming. Their whole schtick is saying just enough to push people's buttons to do their bidding.
She isn't necessarily referencing the same betrayal there, since obviously Flemeth's betrayal is unrelated, and she says "She was betrayed, as I was betrayed, as the world was betrayed!" So the "She was betrayed" part could be separate from the "world was betrayed" part. Though I personally think she is referring to the Evanuris both times.
But it's a running theme. It's obviously not the same act, but it's the same type of betrayal. Mythal, Flemeth and the world were betrayed by - thematically - the same thing. Honestly, the only reason I think it could be Solas is that I think it's a betrayal tied to "love". That's the story we hear about Flemeth - regardless of how it's glossed and who her lover is - and ultimately Solas claims he created the Veil out of love for Mythal (not the romantic kind, clearly).
The Fade, or Beyond is all about Will. The WILL of Mythal is not Vengence, but Justice. Vengence is that other Evanuris's jib.
The Black City is much further away from when we first entered, so I think we are further back from where we landed. The Shattered Library in Trespasser also reminds me of the raw Fade.
That's odd, considering it's supposed to be an equidistant fixture of the fade.
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That's odd, considering it's supposed to be an equidistant fixture of the fade.
It seemed further away when we find Kieran.
Also the gold statues in the Shattered Library are the same ones we pass by in the Fade as well as the rocky design path and floating islands, and books scattered about, as well as the upside areas like when we first fall. I just found it odd that it was like a daytime version of the Fade. It's like part of the Empire went into the Fade, the other half was stuck in the Crossroads.
Justice can be hard to define calling forth Mythal is:
"...call to me and I will come. Without mercy, without fear. Cry havok in the moonlight, let the fire of vengeance burn; the cause is clear"
In WoT2 we find out that Marethari call for "Asha'Bellanar" to bring justice the Avvar who killed her Clan. Interestingly enough, Maretharu AND Zathrian both have the vallaslin of Mythal.
That's odd, considering it's supposed to be an equidistant fixture of the fade.
That's what "modern" mages who studied it think, but it may well be that this is because they don't travel there physically. When we "go" to the Fade in DA:I. we're doing it by very different ways: the Eluvians or the Anchor, both of which are tied to ancient elven magic. The Black City might be equidistant only if you're not "in" the Fade but basically watching it through the Veil.
That's what "modern" mages who studied it think, but it may well be that this is because they don't travel there physically. When we "go" to the Fade in DA:I. we're doing it by very different ways: the Eluvians or the Anchor, both of which are tied to ancient elven magic. The Black City might be equidistant only if you're not "in" the Fade but basically watching it through the Veil.
Huh, I don't know why I didn't think of that. That would also explain how the magisters managed to get to it - It wasn't necessarily harder to get to than any other area of the fade to begin with.
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