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[medusa_hair]

My Lavellan would go with Solas to the ends of the earth if necessary.  Not to join him but to stay by his side and try to save him from himself.  :-)

[BansheeOwnage]

Hell it's not just a hit, she got smacked right in her face. Poor quizy.

Yeah, look at her poor stunned face  (In full resolution)

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Somebody would need to scrub the floors.

They'd just use magic

[BansheeOwnage]

 

Probably too much work involved to split the game into a join Solas path as well. Could make for a good alternative reality DLC though.

The Darkspawn Elvhen Chronicles?

 

I think the veil put the titans to sleep causing the fall of the dwarves.

I think the forgotten ones might be the titans because the dwarves erased them from their memories. I.e. they were forgotten struck from the memories.

I think so too. It would be consistent with them "going silent" sometime after their war with the Evanuris and also with them stirring due to the Breach and the Sidereal Magisters' assault on the Golden City. The veil keeps them asleep.

 

I really do not feel, oddly enough, that everyone was a mage in the old Elven Empire.  I mean maybe but it just seems like there had to be someone to enslave and not having magical talent would be as good as any other class distinction.

They would have still have variable amounts of skill and magical power, possibly rendering some effectively mundane, like Minaeve or scout Granden. Also, some Tevinter slaves are mages, so not even they use that as a distinction.

[robertmarilyn]

It can go either way. Romanced/high approval Solas admits you are people, but low approval Solas says it's his fault you are not people.

 

Solas is missing one important thing during his moment of self-pity, regarding spirits. Cole said they are afraid of what's going to happen, so Solas might be unknowingly about to hurt those he loves most.

 

That would be just like Solas to do the worst thing possible to those he cared about the most. He's one of the worst decision makers I've ever seen. 

[In Exile]

That would be just like Solas to do the worst thing possible to those he cared about the most. He's one of the worst decision makers I've ever seen. 

 

Every single thing we've seen him do basically ends up in an apocalypse. He's really bad at saving the world. 

[Estel Lavellan]

It's called theories. That's what we're all doing. And those elves are not his people. He said so. His people are the ones like Abelas. He's not trying to bring back the magic to modern elves, they will die too. He is using them as he used the slaves he freed.

 

It's hardly 'theories'. It's wild conjecture and presenting wild conjecture as hard fact. "Because I think there's some reason he'll just blood magic...he'll use blood magic. Yeah. and because of the fact that he's planning on using blood magic..." Just take a look at how ridiculous those logic leaps are.

[Estel Lavellan]

How do you think the seven magisters go to the black city? They did a mass ritual which required elven blood.

 

No, they used elven blood in lieu of human blood because elves are expendable under the Imperium.

[BansheeOwnage]

No, they used elven blood in lieu of human blood because elves are expendable under the Imperium.

No, it was because elven blood is more potent for blood magic. That's been established. Human slaves are just as expendable in the Imperium.

[Estel Lavellan]

Seriously, we have people claiming things like Solas is actually Dirthamen/Falon'Din as well as Fen'Harell or that Sera is actually a vessel for Andruil. People theorize that Morrigan is Maric's daughter after a night he spent with Flemeth, which makes the Dark Ritual really funky if you have Alistair do the deed. And they do it with less evidence than the casual coincidence that the last time a ton of elves were brought together it was for blood sacrifice. I think there's room for all of this here, as insane as any of it sounds.

 

Just because there are truly ridiculous theories out there does not mean we have more reason to entertain the less ridiculous ones. The topics not covered by either Bioware statements or official game content will still only qualify as conjecture at best.

[Estel Lavellan]

It's not a problem for me. The whole point of theorycrafting is looking at the pieces and considering them, which enough people will eventually do to try and form a part of the story. It might be wrong, but it's good to consider all angles.

But demanding that people back up every random thought or idea they had about a character, or situation, or plot point does not necessarily help. Maybe they didn't have a big theory worked up, but another person can work with that tidbit and add things they remember or saw in the game. It goes back and forth, and you may not get an answer from the first person who put the idea forth. You can't just loudly declare that one person is wrong because they don't have a thesis ready for you. It suggests a tone of hostility and then no one wants to engage. There's room for all of us here, and we should keep it that way.

But people can at least have the common decency to actually present guesswork as guesswork? I don't mind theories, but I do mind people saying 'he will use blood magic/he'd kill all modern elves' as though it's officially confirmed by Bioware, then even basing their next theory on that. It's like trying to build a tower upon imaginary foundations.

[Estel Lavellan]

Well, putting the morality arguments aside, it'd be a really stupid thing to allow players to make that choice since it'd probably turn the story into a ridiculous clusterfk.

Will it? A one-armed elf who used to be a hero joining Solas? The Herald might be our hero, yes, but she's not world-shatteringly powerful on her own. I think it'd not make much more of an impact than, say, Vivienne or Sera or Blackwall joining Solas.

[Estel Lavellan]

I think you dont have the choice to join Solas because it isnt your choice to make, it's Solas'. The inquisitor can ask to join, but Solas will always refuse.
Makes sense if you're his lover, friend, and of course rival.
Just the fact that he lets any of these inquisitors live is because he wants them to try and stop him, that's also his choice. He wants to give Thedas a balanced playing field. Its fatalistic, empathetic, depressing...very Solas-y
I do love the choice the inquisitor has in they end when they can choose to either go after him and try to save him, or go after him and kill him. I hope that choice is given the gravitas it deserves in the next installment.

Nah, the problem is that the inquisitor has to declare that either 'i'll redeem you' or 'i'll kill you' either way. Solas can refuse, yes, but can't we also affirm that we want to join them as our parting words?

[Estel Lavellan]

While we're at theories, I do also have a theory as to why Solas does not practice blood magic, but also harbours no ill will over it. Academically, the difference between blood magic and normal magic is that blood magic does not tap into the fade, instead using life itself as fuel for spells. It might be that attuned to the Fade as Solas is, a form of magic that does not draw from the Fade is simply of no value to Solas, or might disrupt his connection to his normal magics in some way. It's only guesswork though.

[diaspora2k5]

While we're at theories, I do also have a theory as to why Solas does not practice blood magic, but also harbours no ill will over it. Academically, the difference between blood magic and normal magic is that blood magic does not tap into the fade, instead using life itself as fuel for spells. It might be that attuned to the Fade as Solas is, a form of magic that does not draw from the Fade is simply of no value to Solas, or might disrupt his connection to his normal magics in some way. It's only guesswork though.

Normal spells are powered by mana mages draw from potions made from Titan's blood- lyrium potions.

[BansheeOwnage]

Normal spells are powered by mana mages draw from potions made from Titan's blood- lyrium potions.

Only if they drink them, otherwise their power draws from the magic of the fade.

[Cobra's_back]

I'd suggest a few Orlesian nobles, but Solas is against slavery. Perhaps they could be paid.

If tearing down the veil means a Thedas free of Orlesian, Tevinter and Qunari BS, his plan sounds better all the time.

Also it gets rid of Sebastion, so that's a win as well.

No he is not against slavery. All of fake gods had slaves. Solas was Felassen's master. Death if you don't do as he wants.

[Almostfaceman]

No he is not against slavery. All of fake gods had slaves. Solas was Felassen's master. Death if you don't do as he wants.

 

That's an interesting perspective considering Solas made it his business to free slaves. 

[Cobra's_back]

That's an interesting perspective considering Solas made it his business to free slaves. 

What do you think Felassen was? There are different degrees of slaves. He freed the slaves before why? The answer is because the other fake like gods went too FAR. Felassen was his servant and in my opinion a slave. Felassen was not given free will.

[Almostfaceman]

What do you think Felassen was? There are different degrees of slaves. He freed the slaves before why? The answer is because the other fake like gods went too FAR. Felassen was his servant and in my opinion a slave. Felassen was not given free will.

 

"not given free will" based on what information? 

[Cobra's_back]

"not given free will" based on what information? 

 

Based on the book Masked Empire. Did you read it?

[Almostfaceman]

Based on the book Masked Empire. Did you read it?

 

What does it say in Masked Empire? 

[Almostfaceman]

Based on the book Masked Empire. Did you read it?

 

Here's a summary of it, no I don't have the book. http://dragonage.wik...m/wiki/Felassan

 

I didn't read anything in the summary that indicates Felassan wasn't acting of his own free will to help Solas. 

[ModernAcademic]

How do you think the seven magisters go to the black city? They did a mass ritual which required elven blood.

 

This is something which has been causing some confusion for me. I keep wondering why Corypheus needed the sacrifice when the orb could get him across the two worlds (Thedas and the Fade) just fine.

 

Maybe the Magisters discovered about blood magic and its properties of thinning the Veil on their own. Maybe they read about it somewhere. Maybe they learned it with the Old Gods (in hushed whispers). 

 

Either way, if he did the sacrifice, he wouldn't need the orb. The blood ritual would be enough to open a rift in the Fade and allow him to get across. Unless the first breach was opened with the help of an orb as well and we don't know about it. Hence my confusion.

[Cobra's_back]

Here's a summary of it, no I don't have the book. http://dragonage.wik...m/wiki/Felassan

 

I didn't read anything in the summary that indicates Felassan wasn't acting of his own free will to help Solas. 

 

Felassan changed his mind and Solas killed him. That is a dictator. Solas makes all final decisions. He doesn't share power or haven't you noticed? He was just using you.