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[Almostfaceman]

Read the masked Empire towards the end. It is pretty clear Solas did not care for modern elves. Remember that ancient elves used slaves to fuel their power. He admits that he has used and lied to people. Abelas is one of the ancient elves and he doesn't see a modern elf as his kin.

 

They could be pulling these elves in, and using them for their own purpose. The Masked Empire doesn't paint a pretty picture for ancient elves.

 

Except this doesn't explain the coincidence. 1.) Solas says he's going to restore his people. 2.) The mass exodus of the elves upon this announcement. Can you explain away this coincidence? You can't. The simplest answer is the correct one. He's drawing them to them to restore them to the fade, just as he said he wanted to do. You can keep saying "he doesn't see them as his people" and that's correct, that's why he has to restore them. They aren't his people until they've been reconnected with the fade. 

[Almostfaceman]

I mentioned it a few posts back. Solas can use blood magic. I bet they are sacrifices he'll need to gain enough strength to tear down the Veil, but he will lead them away and free them from servitude first. I also think when he tells Lavellan he does not want her to see what he becomes, he's going to literally transform into a beast.

 

Except he tells Cole he doesn't practice blood magic. 

[ModernAcademic]

First, if you'd listened to the Dalish clans prattle on about their lost civilization, it's clear that the highest objective of the Dalish is to restore what was, not to take what scraps they have and create a broken nation based on historical breadcrumbs. The defining aspect of the Dalish is that they're not remnants of a lost civilization that only wants to settle into a peaceful life; they're essentially elf-cults dedicated above all others to picking up the pieces of lost elven civilization. So your vision is actually invalid for any Dalish clan.

 

Secondly, do you not hear Solas saying that the works of the ancient elven empire is intrinsically tied to the Fade? That means without the Fade's return, the Dalish could not recreate their empire even with all the knowledge in this world, because they're physically diminished, physically unable to harness the advancements of the elven civilization. Even if the Dalish forms an empire and conquers all of Thedas, they'll still just be a better-informed, more powerful Dalish clan, and not Elvehnan. They want Elvehnan.

 

And as for your comments regarding Solas...well, I suppose your inquisitor thinks as your inquisitor does. But you did not make a point by ranting on how you feel about Solas.

 

The Dalish don't know ancient elven civilization. They THINK they know. And Solas comes along and tells Lavellan her People have got it all wrong.

 

So, some of the elves think he'll restore them to some former glory when his plans might actually be VERY different.

 

And why must the Dalish recreate an Empire? Who created the old elven empire were creatures with great magic who became known as gods because they had more power than the rest. The elves that live today don't have the same goal as the slavers of their ancestors.

 

 

If the legend of Shartan is an indication of what the elves truly want, is that they want a homeland. Not to become high and mighty again, but to be an independent people. To have a nation, an identity as a group, a unified culture using the few scraps of mythology they recovered from the Dales. From the DALES, their former free nation, not from Arlathan, the tyrannical empire. 

 

And that is NOT what Solas wants. His goals are not altruistic. They are SELFISH.

 

 

He only wants to restore the ancient civilization where he lived. That's why my Dalish Inq will never follow Solas. He is not thinking about what is good for the People. He wnts to get rid of the Evanuris forever and live in a world where he can live with spirits again.  And the very fact that he'll make use of such power rather than spare innocent lives in this folly is because no elf should support his madness. 

 

He's no leader. He'll just pretend to be one and make false promises to the People so as to have help to achieve his goals. 

It's the same thing he did with the Inquisitor. He USES people. Therefore, he doesn't care the least about them. 

 

 

 

If he succeeds, he might just bring about an age of tyranny, with the elves as his minions. And how is that better than the Tevinter Imperium, the Qunari or Orlais? In the end, he might end up acting just like the Evanuris. He might become what he hates the most. And he'll drag the People along in this folly.

 

I'd stand with my dalish fellows anyday rather than support a manipulative tyrant. The Dalish are not tyrannical. They're a free people who fight for the right of self determination, the right to have a home. That is all.

[BabyPuncher]

She did not get 'handed the world on a silver platter' - if anything, she's the one that's made to hold the silver platter while everyone scrambles for cover.

 

That is exactly what happens. Dragon Age: Inquisition is about the very definition of your character being handed everything on a silver platter because according to the narrative they're just that awesome, awesome, awesome, totally awesome, so much awesome.

 

The Inquisitor is a dullard. A character who I can literally not remember a single powerful or insightful line from. Who, in the entire story, only displays a paltry amount of courage compared to protagonists in similar stories. Who I never saw display any particular determination or charisma or character at all.

 

I cannot think of a single story that has failed so spectacularly in bridging the gap between what the narrative pretends a character is, and what the character actually is. Poorly written characters are common. Very common. But at least those stories they don't try and BS me that this is a person even remotely capable of building a empire from nothing.

[Almostfaceman]

He hasn't because he would have trouble entering the Fade, but he can still use it. A Mage Inquisitor can discuss it with him. This might be his path of death. I think he is going to attempt to sacrifice himself along with those who follow him.

 

It never ceases to amaze me how many people leap to this blood magic thing when Solas has shown no affinity for it whatsoever, not even to help out Cole. He could have easily done so, in secret. Blood magic is clearly not Solas's cup of tea or his "style" and he goes about other ways to get things done. 

 

If you want to promote this blood magic theory, find something in the story that backs it up, with regards to Solas. Every opportunity he has to use it, he passes. 

[Almostfaceman]

That is exactly what happens. Dragon Age: Inquisition is about the very definition of your character being handed everything on a silver platter because according to the narrative they're just that awesome, awesome, awesome, totally awesome, so much awesome.

 

The Inquisitor is a dullard. A character who I can literally not remember a single powerful or insightful line from. Who, in the entire story, only displays a paltry amount of courage compared to protagonists in similar stories. Who I never saw display any particular determination or charisma or character at all.

 

I cannot think of a single story that has failed so spectacularly in bridging the gap between what the narrative pretends a character is, and what the character actually is. Poorly written characters are common. Very common. But at least those stories they don't try and BS me that this is a person even remotely capable of building a empire from nothing.

 

Well, you said a lot without really providing any examples of why you said what you said. My Inquisitor runs out to face a dragon so the folks from Haven can get away.

 

[Almostfaceman]

That's why I said it was his final path. This would be his last chance because the Orb was destroyed. Also if you tell him you think blood magic is evil, he disapproves. 

 

If he could find another way, blood magic would be the last thing on his mind, but this is if he has nothing left.

 

What evidence do you have that he considers it his final path? Or that he has no other recourse? He's a mage who as been around millenia and figured out a way to separate the Fade from reality. So where are you getting this blood magic thing from? 

[Tielis]

It never ceases to amaze me how many people leap to this blood magic thing when Solas has shown no affinity for it whatsoever, not even to help out Cole. He could have easily done so, in secret. Blood magic is clearly not Solas's cup of tea or his "style" and he goes about other ways to get things done. 

 

If you want to promote this blood magic theory, find something in the story that backs it up, with regards to Solas. Every opportunity he has to use it, he passes. 

 

To be fair, he does defend the use of blood magic to an Inquisitor who says it is evil.  He considers it a tool, nothing more.  He also says that he does not use it, but that is different from saying that he will never use it (if pushed).

[BabyPuncher]

 

Well, you said a lot without really providing any examples of why you said what you said. My Inquisitor runs out to face a dragon so the folks from Haven can get away.

 

Pretty much every action video game protagonist in existence fights big scary monsters or soldiers with scary guns or something of the sort.

 

Funnily enough, that doesn't actually make every video game protagonist well written, does it now? Plenty of them are still just faceless goons.

 

You have to show their struggle in the story.

 

I admit, Haven did demonstrate some courage. Hence why I said a 'paltry' amount instead of none. But it's not even approaching enough to carry the rest of the story.

[Almostfaceman]

To be fair, he does defend the use of blood magic to an Inquisitor who says it is evil.  He considers it a tool, nothing more.  He also says that he does not use it, but that is different from saying that he will never use it (if pushed).

 

He says he does not use it... so now people say he will use it. When he doesn't use it. Seems legit. He doesn't use it to help Cole or to defeat Coryphepants. But now he'll use it because reasons. 

[Almostfaceman]

He says this path will lead to death and let's face it, he's about to unleash some really angry and powerful mages who want him dead. He's doomed.

 

As for the blood magic, it was a possibility as to why elves were joining him.

 

Why would it be a possibility more likely than the reasons he stated? He stated he wanted to restore his people. Wouldn't it make sense for him to draw them to him so he can restore them when he strikes down the Veil? Rather than this blood magic theory... when he's stated he doesn't use blood magic. He doesn't use blood magic to even help out spirits. The guy who healed the Inquisitor is going to mass slaughter the elves in some weird blood magic ritual? Where do you get this from?

[Eelectrica]

I mentioned it a few posts back. Solas can use blood magic. I bet they are sacrifices he'll need to gain enough strength to tear down the Veil, but he will lead them away and free them from servitude first. I also think when he tells Lavellan he does not want her to see what he becomes, he's going to literally transform into a beast.

They won't be sacrifices. Before Solas tears down the veil, his followers will be moved off-site through the eluvians and be ready to move back in when the world is restored to its natural state.

 

Obviously we don't know how Solas intends to tear down the veil, but blood magic ain't it. I have a feeling those elven artificacts we were busily activating are part of it though.

 

Realistically in the next game we won't be able to join up with Solas the reason being their's only so many hours in the day for the devs and when the project kicks off, the clock is ticking.

[Almostfaceman]

He used the Inquisitor. The Inquisitor had the anchor. There was no need to use blood magic. He was able to avoid something as terrible as that. Now the Inquisitor has no arm, the anchor is gone and he has to complete his plan, suddenly elves are disappearing? It's just one of many possibilities.

 

"Used" is a simple term that doesn't quantify the friendship or romance and the empathy Solas shows. 

 

Solas doesn't even use blood magic to breach the Fade. He grabs Mythals power. Again, him not using blood magic. 

[Tielis]

He says he does not use it... so now people say he will use it. When he doesn't use it. Seems legit. He doesn't use it to help Cole or to defeat Coryphepants. But now he'll use it because reasons. 

 

All I'm saying is that I think he would, in his current state of mind, stoop to using it if there was no other way.  And loads of elven blood is needed for the breaching the Veil ritual, as we know from Corypheus.  Of course he would be ashamed to admit that.  And it would, in everyone's mind, turn him into a monster.

 

Mind you, yes, you could be absolutely right that he's just gathering refugees to save them.  But the 1 + 1 is there, so we are recognizing the 2.  Of course there could be other 1's, and then the answer would be 6 or something.  

[Almostfaceman]

It's called theories. That's what we're all doing. And those elves are not his people. He said so. His people are the ones like Abelas. He's not trying to bring back the magic to modern elves, they will die too. He is using them as he used the slaves he freed.

 

You have to get your theories from somewhere. Where are you getting your theories from? Of course elves separated from the Fade are not his people. That's why he wants to reconnect the elves to the Fade, to restore his people. Just like he says he wants to. How does any other theory make more sense than this one? 

[Eelectrica]

All I'm saying is that I think he would, in his current state of mind, stoop to using it if there was no other way.  And loads of elven blood is needed for the breaching the Veil ritual, as we know from Corypheus.  Of course he would be ashamed to admit that.  And it would, in everyone's mind, turn him into a monster.

 

Mind you, yes, you could be absolutely right that he's just gathering refugees to save them.  But the 1 + 1 is there, so we are recognizing the 2.  Of course there could be other 1's, and then the answer would be 6 or something.  

Solas knows a little more about these things than Cory. Cory was just following along with the way the Tevinter magisters did it back in the day - extensive use of blood magic. Just because that's the only way Cory knew doesn't mean their aren't other ways or other artifacts.

[Almostfaceman]

And loads of elven blood is needed for the breaching the Veil ritual, as we know from Corypheus.  

 

 

I don't remember loads of elves being sacrificed to breach the Veil, Cory keeps using the elven artifact to rip holes in the sky. 

[Mr.House]

I don't remember loads of elves being sacrificed to breach the Veil, Cory keeps using the elven artifact to rip holes in the sky. 

How do you think the seven magisters go to the black city? They did a mass ritual which required elven blood.