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[panamakira]

Um....no. I love Solas but my Lavellan won't destroy the world to be with him. What's the point of trying to show him there might be another way? To give him the chance to redeem himself? If we even get that option in the next game.

 

Y'all....cray.

[Cobra's_back]

Oh, I know he's not against blood magic as in... he doesn't leap to judging the character of someone who uses it. 

 

Still, that doesn't change the fact that where he could have practiced using it, he doesn't. He finds other ways to get what he wants. He doesn't have to be Moses to do that, nor does he have to be Moses to want to restore his people. 

 

In fact, what's the point of restoring the Fade if it's not going to benefit the "modern elves". Who else is left to benefit? Death came into the picture when he severed the elves connection to the Fade. Most if not all of the ancient elves are dead. That's why he's calling the "modern elves" and that's who he's going to restore. Makes perfect sense. 

 

Not all the ancient elves are dead. Felassan was one of them. When he didn't bring back the password Solas killed him. Felassan suggested that Briala be given a chance to try using the eluvians. He stated that "they" are stronger than Solas thought and attempted to tell Solas that Briala reminded him of something, or someone, else, but was killed before he could do so. 

 

Why would Felassan risk it, knowing Solas would kill him? Remember Solas didn't see them as people before. 

 

Could some survive? Maybe, I don't think Solas knows for sure.

[Cobra's_back]

They won't be "modern elves" because they'll be re-connected to the Fade. "Modern elves" will cease to exist. This is how elves were originally, where magic comes to them as naturally as breathing, because of this connection. 

Solas doesn't know for sure. I'm pretty sure he thinks plenty will die, but some could make it.

[Almostfaceman]

Not all the ancient elves are dead. Felassan was one of them. When he didn't bring back the password Solas killed him. Felassan suggested that Briala be given a chance to try using the eluvians. He stated that "they" are stronger than Solas thought and attempted to tell Solas that Briala reminded him of something, or someone, else, but was killed before he could do so. 

 

Why would Felassan risk it, knowing Solas would kill him? Remember Solas didn't see them as people before. 

 

Could some survive? Maybe, I don't think Solas knows for sure.

 

That doesn't really answer the question I asked. If there are ancient elves left, at the most it's only a handful. Like the remnants in the Temple of Mythal. 

 

In the conversation with Solas, the Inquisitor says "you don't see us as people" and Solas says "I didn't but I was wrong" because of the example of the Inquisitor. Solas is still going to take a course of action that will kill many - even many modern elves. But he came to Mythal (before he zaps her) telling her "the people need me" and he's not talking about the small remnant left from the Temple of Mythal. He's talking about what's left of his people after he separated them from the Fade. So, he's going to re-connect them and restore them. They aren't what they should be. That's why he's tearing down the Veil. That's why he's calling them to him and those who come to him he's going to try to protect and restore. They are what's left of his people. 

[Uirebhiril]

But he came to Mythal (before he zaps her) telling her "the people need me" and he's not talking about the small remnant left from the Temple of Mythal. He's talking about what's left of his people after he separated them from the Fade. So, he's going to re-connect them and restore them. They aren't what they should be. That's why he's tearing down the Veil. That's why he's calling them to him and those who come to him he's going to try to protect and restore. They are what's left of his people. 

 

I'd still have to wonder why he wouldn't let his friend (if an elf) or his lover join him in that case. Game wise it's probably so we can use the Inquisitor character in the future in some way, sure... but that would be weaker writing than I'd attribute to the devs for the in-game reason Solas gives. He outright says it means giving up the life of every friend you've ever had, or, that he couldn't do that to his lover and doesn't want her to see what he becomes. And for all there are people who think he's nuts and would fight to save the world, there's no doubt some Lavellans - friend or otherwise - who would absolutely join the new world order.

[Almostfaceman]

I'd still have to wonder why he wouldn't let his friend (if an elf) or his lover join him in that case. Game wise it's probably so we can use the Inquisitor character in the future in some way, sure... but that would be weaker writing than I'd attribute to the devs for the in-game reason Solas gives. He outright says it means giving up the life of every friend you've ever had, or, that he couldn't do that to his lover and doesn't want her to see what he becomes. And for all there are people who think he's nuts and would fight to save the world, there's no doubt some Lavellans - friend or otherwise - who would absolutely join the new world order.

 

I think they close off that option story-wise because they (the story-tellers) see the Inquisitor as fighting for Thedas more than fighting for the Dalish or city elves. You can't really even be as stridently Dalish in dialogue options as you could be, say, in Origins. That is probably because they started off with the idea that the Inquisitor was only going to be human. 

[BansheeOwnage]

Oh, I know he's not against blood magic as in... he doesn't leap to judging the character of someone who uses it. 

 

Still, that doesn't change the fact that where he could have practiced using it, he doesn't. He finds other ways to get what he wants. He doesn't have to be Moses to do that, nor does he have to be Moses to want to restore his people.

Solas states that the only reason he doesn't use blood magic is because it makes it harder to access the fade. It's unclear if that applied before the veil, but I think it did since he didn't use it then either. If it weren't for that, I'm sure he would use it, and I'm sure some of the Evanuris do too.

 

OMG I didn't know that happened. I figured it was stupid so I didn't click. XD

 

Glorious. I love you so much Flemeth.

Yeah, I reloaded there just to see what would happen. It was worth it! Though apparently Solas' isn't as interesting or funny looking.

[Mr.House]

That's all true, but I thought attacking Flemeth was fairly amusing

 

Hell it's not just a hit, she got smacked right in her face. Poor quizy.

[solomon.kosin]

I think it was kinda stupid that at the end of trespasser there was a choice like "i approve that you gonna do"(at least for romanced quizzys) but we still have to oppose Solas even if you have chosen that option.

I think there should be such an opportunity for those who really feel like they want to ally with him. Otherwise it would be a great disappointment

If the whole idea of DA4 will be to fight him, then the only choice would be not to play the game to let Solas do what he intends to do

[Cobra's_back]

That doesn't really answer the question I asked. If there are ancient elves left, at the most it's only a handful. Like the remnants in the Temple of Mythal. 

 

In the conversation with Solas, the Inquisitor says "you don't see us as people" and Solas says "I didn't but I was wrong" because of the example of the Inquisitor. Solas is still going to take a course of action that will kill many - even many modern elves. But he came to Mythal (before he zaps her) telling her "the people need me" and he's not talking about the small remnant left from the Temple of Mythal. He's talking about what's left of his people after he separated them from the Fade. So, he's going to re-connect them and restore them. They aren't what they should be. That's why he's tearing down the Veil. That's why he's calling them to him and those who come to him he's going to try to protect and restore. They are what's left of his people. 

 

Only Bioware knows for sure. Solas can have good intentions, and wipe out millions. He was planning on doing this before he met the love of his life. 

 

 

I see where you are headed and that is possible. Bioware has the last call.

 

For now I have my doubts because it was not his original plan.  As for the comment he made his people needed him, well that could mean:

 

They are better off dead than being tranquil. 

 

Solas: You must understand. I awoke in a world where the veil had blocked most people's conscious to the fade. It was like walking through a world of tranquils.

 

Sure some may make it.

[Homeboundcrib]

my lavellan would have gone with him no questions asked, that option would have been great if you could do it.

[Homeboundcrib]

my lavellan would have gone with him no questions asked, that option would have been great if you could do it.

[In Exile]

He didn't say that living apart from the Fade is like being tranquil. He said he sees all people - today in Thedas - as the equivalent of tranquil. The mass genocide that might happen as a consequence of his plan wasn't something that he even considered as wrong until he travels with the Inquisition and begins to see the modern races as "real".

Except that he's unwilling to let go of his old world, and can't live with the weight or magnitude of his own crime. He's as much depressed and suicidal as he is Machiavellian and mad.

[Cobra's_back]

I think they close off that option story-wise because they (the story-tellers) see the Inquisitor as fighting for Thedas more than fighting for the Dalish or city elves. You can't really even be as stridently Dalish in dialogue options as you could be, say, in Origins. That is probably because they started off with the idea that the Inquisitor was only going to be human. 

 

Her job was to close the breach which benefits her clan as well. My clan is still alive. She could quit and go back to being a Dalish. One of the options is to end the Inquisition. Everyone leaves.

[TammieAZ]

my lavellan would have gone with him no questions asked, that option would have been great if you could do it.

   

 

To join him ? Holding his hand while he commits genocide...

Wow. That's just crazy.

[solomon.kosin]

To join him ? Holding his hand while he commits genocide...
Wow. That's just crazy.

People have different opinions. I think it would be just fair to give those who agree with solas the opportunity to express that

Isnt that a point of RPG?

[diaspora2k5]

Well, putting the morality arguments aside, it'd be a really stupid thing to allow players to make that choice since it'd probably turn the story into a ridiculous clusterfk.

[Cobra's_back]

He didn't say that living apart from the Fade is like being tranquil. He said he sees all people - today in Thedas - as the equivalent of tranquil. The mass genocide that might happen as a consequence of his plan wasn't something that he even considered as wrong until he travels with the Inquisition and begins to see the modern races as "real".

Except that he's unwilling to let go of his old world, and can't live with the weight or magnitude of his own crime. He's as much depressed and suicidal as he is Machiavellian and mad.

 

I stand corrected.

 

Solas: You must understand. I awoke in a world where the veil had blocked most people's conscious to the fade. It was like walking through a world of tranquils.

[diaspora2k5]

I stand corrected.

 

Solas: You must understand. I awoke in a world where the veil had blocked most people's conscious to the fade. It was like walking through a world of tranquils.

See, what makes his argument so astonishingly stupid is that nobody pities the tranquil for being sundered from the fade, they pity them for being emotionless.

[diaspora2k5]

I think since in his world thought alone could produce amazing things, we seemed like tranquil because we can't do anything like that. For example, our houses do not float due to magic. We build them with our bare hands. He doesn't realize people are happy as they are. He thinks they are a mistake that needs to be corrected.

Tevinter tho

[thats1evildude]

Those elves going after him in the epilogue? He'll tell them to go back the way they came, at best.

What? No, he's using those elves. They're buying into the vision of elven supremacy, but they'll die like the rest.

[Eelectrica]

What? No, he's using those elves. They're buying into the vision of elven supremacy, but they'll die like the rest.

Doubtful. They can be moved somewhere else through the Eluvians - the eluvians connect to other worlds and he controls them. If he managed to restore the world, he'd need them to re-populate it.