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[Fredward]

Yah know I can TOTALLY see Merrill running after Solas to 'restore the elvhen people' only for it to be revealed at the last minute that he doesn't even consider her a person. Would be totally in character.

[BumminDork]

Yah know I can TOTALLY see Merrill running after Solas to 'restore the elvhen people' only for it to be revealed at the last minute that he doesn't even consider her a person. Would be totally in character.

 

Seeing that Solas never truly considered the dalish as his people, I'm pretty sure he would laugh at Merrill and her attempts at trying to persuade him otherwise.

[Fredward]

Seeing that Solas never truly considered the dalish as his people, I'm pretty sure he would laugh at Merrill and her attempts at trying to persuade him otherwise.

 

He isn't laughing at the other elves. Evil Egg strikes me as the kind of person who'll exploit others if he has to. He'll be terribly tortured about it ofc (especially considering it's the antithesis of who he used to be, enlightening people and such) but he'd comfort himself by polishing his dome shiny in front of an eluvian and saying it's all for the greater good and that this world should never have existed anyway.

[ComedicSociopathy]

Zevran - Won't waste his time on it.

Velanna - She's crazy enough to do it.

Merrill - Might be interested about the whole thing, but Varric will probably set her straight.

Fenris - Magic. Destroying the Veil. Solas being a crazy mage. Not happening.

Tallis - Solas is apparently the number one enemy of the Qun, so its pretty doubtful that she'll go along with it.

Sera - Pfff! Solas gets arrows from her. 

[Nefla]

You know what I think is weird? Solas has recruited hundreds? Thousands? Of random elves but doesn't even try to recruit an elf inquisitor to his cause, even if they are romantically involved with him.

[dragondreamer]

You know what I think is weird? Solas has recruited hundreds? Thousands? Of random elves but doesn't even try to recruit an elf inquisitor to his cause, even if they are romantically involved with him.

 

He tells her he doesn't want her to see what he's going to become. 

[Fredward]

You know what I think is weird? Solas has recruited hundreds? Thousands? Of random elves but doesn't even try to recruit an elf inquisitor to his cause, even if they are romantically involved with him.

 

I think he would especially not try and recruit someone he's romanced/likes cuz he doesn't really like what he's doing. He sees himself as lesser for doing it and wouldn't drag someone he respects down like that. Alternatively: getting someone you like/respect to help kill themselves is Hannibal levels of twisted.

[Nixou]

Yah know I can TOTALLY see Merrill running after Solas to 'restore the elvhen people' only for it to be revealed at the last minute that he doesn't even consider her a person. Would be totally in character.

 

 

That made me think of something:

I said before that introducing an "Elfscore" similar to Mass Effect 3's war asset would be an interesting mechanic.

But a narratively coherent yet very counter-intuitive twist to this mechanic could be added:

Let's say we discover in the next game that an Inquisitor who befriended/romanced Solas did in fact convince him that since modern people are real people, then modern Elves, Alienage-dwelling and Dalish alike deserve a place in his Elvhen utopia, leading him to drastically revise his plans.

 

You'd then have two potential plotlines:

 

• Antagonized Solas is hellbent on burning Thedas, modern Elves included and is surrounded by a small coterie of ancient Elves, powerful dreamers and a handful of delusional modern Dalish and City-Elves. In this case Merrill is either not fooled by Solas or easily brought back into the fold.
• Befriended/Romance Solas kept himself busy building Fade-bunkers thingamajigs where the modern Elves are supposed to take refuge so they are spared the whole world-burning ordeal... and as a result, Fen'Harel's cult becomes an enormous organization, comprised of countless modern Elves. In this case, not only does it activates the game unofficial hard mode (something similar to the Nohr campaign in the latest Fire Emblem) and we get an extra layer of drama by having Solas convincing Merrill to work with him to mitigate the harmful effects of tearing down the Veil for good and she becomes his enthusiastic accomplice, genuinely believing that she's helping making the world a better place and being impossible to bring back to the good side.

 

A compassionate Inquisitor unwittingly making Fen'Harel much more powerful and turning against his/her cause characters already established as kind people could make for a fascinating story.

 

***

 

Zevran - Won't waste his time on it.

 

 

Solas: You know, back in my day, Fade-sex was waaaaaaaay better and more involved than muggle-sex.

Zev: Why didn't you tell me sooner? I hereby swear my undying loyalty to you, Oh Great Bald, Bold and Manly Wolf.

[Steelcan]

I'm getting a little tired of people comparing Fen'Harel to Satan/the Devil.

 

He's much more analogous to someone like Eris or the trickster aspects of Loki

[Wulfram]

I'm getting a little tired of people comparing Fen'Harel to Satan/the Devil.
 
He's much more analogous to someone like Eris or the trickster aspects of Loki

Depends, are we talking about the real Fen'Harel or the Fen'Harel of Dalish legend? Because the latter is pretty satanic. Comparable to Loki also, but Loki, likely under the influence of Christianity, gets pretty satanic himself.

[Nefla]

He tells her he doesn't want her to see what he's going to become. 

I haven't played through on a romanced inquisitor yet but that's sad

[vertigomez]

I'm getting a little tired of people comparing Fen'Harel to Satan/the Devil.
 
He's much more analogous to someone like Eris or the trickster aspects of Loki

Pretty sure Eris just did it for the lulz. He's more like Prometheus, if Prometheus realized the humans were just gonna set each other on fire.

I haven't played through on a romanced inquisitor yet but that's sad

It's sad that he doesn't want her to see what he becomes, but it's sadder still that he's apparently willing to kill her and everyone she loves. >____>

As far as we know, anyway. I'm sure things will shift by the time DA4 rolls around.

[Klinker1234]

As far as we know, anyway. I'm sure things will shift by the time DA4 rolls around.

 

Yeah I mean people have mentioned in the forums that before Inquisition details were released, the conflict behind DAI was belived to be the mage-templar war.

I personally was glad that wasn't the case. Still though Trespasser endings also show that the qunari are invading Tevinter and the endings for base Inquisiton mentions that the Grey Wardens have some sort of civil war going on in Weisshaupt. So team Solas vs the world, Tevinter vs the Qun and Grey Wardens vs Grey Wardens. Plenty of plot material to work with.

 

 

That made me think of something:

I said before that introducing an "Elfscore" similar to Mass Effect 3's war asset would be an interesting mechanic.

But a narratively coherent yet very counter-intuitive twist to this mechanic could be added:

Let's say we discover in the next game that an Inquisitor who befriended/romanced Solas did in fact convince him that since modern people are real people, then modern Elves, Alienage-dwelling and Dalish alike deserve a place in his Elvhen utopia, leading him to drastically revise his plans.

 

You'd then have two potential plotlines:

 

• Antagonized Solas is hellbent on burning Thedas, modern Elves included and is surrounded by a small coterie of ancient Elves, powerful dreamers and a handful of delusional modern Dalish and City-Elves. In this case Merrill is either not fooled by Solas or easily brought back into the fold.
• Befriended/Romance Solas kept himself busy building Fade-bunkers thingamajigs where the modern Elves are supposed to take refuge so they are spared the whole world-burning ordeal... and as a result, Fen'Harel's cult becomes an enormous organization, comprised of countless modern Elves. In this case, not only does it activates the game unofficial hard mode (something similar to the Nohr campaign in the latest Fire Emblem) and we get an extra layer of drama by having Solas convincing Merrill to work with him to mitigate the harmful effects of tearing down the Veil for good and she becomes his enthusiastic accomplice, genuinely believing that she's helping making the world a better place and being impossible to bring back to the good side.

 

A compassionate Inquisitor unwittingly making Fen'Harel much more powerful and turning against his/her cause characters already established as kind people could make for a fascinating story.

 

 

 This would be awesome. With a antagonized Solas being appearing like a demagogue/mad revolutionary/Anders to the elves and a befriended/romanced Solas appearing more like a savior or a messiah to the elves. I like the elven messiah angle more than the mad revolutionary one myself. Which is why I like the prospect of DA4 being in Tevinter. To strike down a elven messiah, we need the mustache twirling villainy of the Tevinter magisters.

[Nefla]

It's sad that he doesn't want her to see what he becomes, but it's sadder still that he's apparently willing to kill her and everyone she loves. >____>

As far as we know, anyway. I'm sure things will shift by the time DA4 rolls around.

Yeah, sad that his cheese pretty much slid off the ******.

 

*edit* lol at the censoring! (******: aka saltine, wheat thin, triscuit, etc...)

[Cobra's_back]

Lol, Velanna will be his lieutenant.

 I look forward to killing her.

[ReadingRambo220]

Man, I'd love to see some Fenris-Solas banter lol!

I imagine it might end with Fenris trying to lyrium-hand Solas

[vertigomez]

Man, I'd love to see some Fenris-Solas banter lol!
I imagine it might end with Fenris trying to lyrium-hand Solas

Pretty much happened on Sundermount. Minus the murdering part.

Dalish dude: "We are the last of the Elvhen--"
Fenris: "So you say. Frequently."

[Lumix19]

Depends, are we talking about the real Fen'Harel or the Fen'Harel of Dalish legend? Because the latter is pretty satanic. Comparable to Loki also, but Loki, likely under the influence of Christianity, gets pretty satanic himself.

Well if I had poison dripped on my face for hundreds of years I'd want to end the world too.

[LobselVith8]

Wasn't there a developers comment that stated that Merril keeping the mirror will have repercussions in the future? I am quite confident I've seen that somewhere.

Aside from seeing Merrill's Eluvian in the Crossroads if it wasn't destroyed, I doubt it, particularly since we're seemingly heading to Tevinter. Merrill's narrative, along with the plot with Briala and the Orlesian Eluvian network, was pretty much handwaved.

Knowing more about Eluvians, it would not be that big of a stretch to imagine Merril getting contacted through it and convinced to follow either Solas, or one of the Evanuris.

It would involve Merrill being an entirely different person, for one.

Knowing how much she wants to uplift the elves and restore their old glory, I would really see her falling for it fairly easily. Considering she was willing to betray Hawke in act 2 on a simple promise from a pride demon, I can see her going quite a bit father for someone who can convince her they are an elven god.

Following that logic, I guess we should expect Varric, Fenris, Isabela, and Aveline to be traitors as well, since everyone but Anders is railroaded by the plot to kill Hawke in that quest.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

You might be confusing Merrill for Marethari, since the latter is the one who released Audacity.

I dont confuse it. After seeing what Merril did to restore one corrupt eluvian and made deal with the devil that costed life of elvish keeper. Yeah, I think she is that dumb to fall for Solas's propaganda.

[leaguer of one]

I dont confuse it. After seeing what Merril did to restore one corrupt eluvian and made deal with the devil that costed life of elvish keeper. Yeah, I think she is that dumb to fall for Solas's propaganda.

Only if you let her keep the mirror.

[GoldenGail3]

Zevran would never join Solas (my Lavellen currently has Zevran... As a replacement for Solas.) So no, not in my Female Mage Lavellen world (Solas romancer) but even without her lovely presents would've ever join. He's probaly too busy running away from the crows to care, anyhow.

Merril would be my Lavellens nerd friend (they both love spirits and the Fade) and plus she's friends with Varric. So maybe he'll point her in my Lavellens direction, so that she wouldn't be lonely. But without her, I suppose Merril would be fine, common sense and having Varric as a friend would keep her out of Solas's hands.

Fenris? No. No just no. I doubt he'd ever join Solas... Magic and Fenris do not go well together, and Solas wants to bring more magic into the world. Plus Solas is a Mage himself, so... You could can guess the results. Nope. He'd also wouldn't like my Lavellen, a daydreamy Mage that nerds with Dorian, and Merril, the most amazing nerd party the world has ever seen. So no, that wouldn't happen.

[Belladoni]

My two cents:

1.  Fenris - Death to Solas, ain't gonna happen.

2.  Merrill - She's an idiot, IMO, but powerful, and possibly still in control of an eluvian.  If not romanced, I can see the Dread Wolf working her beliefs to his advantage.  So yes, I can definitely see her joining him.

3.  Zevran - Romanced, no way.  He wouldn't abandon his Warden after all that time.  Not romanced...Well, IMO, Zevran is a survivor.  Really would depend on his loyalty, I think.  Without enough emotional ties to this world, I think he'd join up with whoever he felt would win.

4.  Velanna - She would join and in a hurry.  Would love to gut her if so.  But hey, my Warden already did that, so no worries.

5.  Charter - Still undecided.  Leliana apparently trusts her, but she's gotten a lot wrong, too.  Charter would definitely be a good Wolf spy, and could be very interesting if they bring her back.

6.  Orana - No idea.  My Hawke was kind to her, but I have no idea how or where she ended up.  Which makes me kind of sad.  Poor kid.

7.  Varania - Assuming she survived her meeting with Fenris:  Yes, she would join up.  She basically said she had no where to go without Danarius.  She's selfish and power-hungry, willing to sell out her own brother.  Assuming the Dread Wolf could use her, no question she would work for him in my mind.  Would also make a really powerful scene in the game, to me, if she and Fenris had a real show-down on opposite sides.

8.  I also have to wonder:  What about all the elf-blooded (half-elves), like Slim Couldry or Feynriel?  There are a lot out there, from what I gather.  Could be a potential untapped resource.  Guess it would depend on the individual.  I'm curious if Solas will try to gather them in, or ignore them, too, counting them too "human" or whatever.

Anyway, thanks for all the replies, everyone.  It's been really interesting reading through them.

[KotorEffect3]

Some are but it isn't like they are automatically programmed to go off following Solas.  I doubt Fenris or Zevran would want to have anything to do with Solas's plans.  Merill however might.

[TheExtreamH]

They go out for milk and never return.